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What generation of Irish people have had it the toughest?

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  • Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When you consider all that went before it, the Celtic tiger years really were great in this country. Remember that feeling around 2004 - 7 when you would actually take it for granted that Ireland was the best country in the world to live when these "Happiness Index" etc. would get released? How the old poor Ireland, the "80s" etc. was just pure history and that things were only meant to be good from now on, for no reason other than it "just is" because it's "nowadays"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Since independence which generation of Irish people have endured the toughest time? Since independence, because obviously the great famine would be No.1 otherwise.
    I think anyone born in the 1930s had it pretty bad. The Great Depression, rationing during the emergency, mass migration and hopelessness in the 1950s. Also those born in the 1970s. The mass unemployment of the 80s, crash of the late noughties, just when they were deep in debt.
    What do you think?

    A choice between the Post Independence era and the World War 2.

    During the Independence struggle the country was terrorized by the Black & Tans & Auxiliaries. Politicians were not grasping the serious issues that mattered to everyday Irish people. Much of the city centre had been destroyed in 1916 and Dublin Castle ruled everything. As for the 40's the Nazis controlled much of Europe and our nearest neighbor was been devastating by the blitz so Ireland was neutral but not spared from the fear of invasion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    My Father was born in the '30's - he says he was happy all his life.
    His father died at home from ww2 wounds when my father was a young teenager. The state tried to take my father and his sisters into "care" but my grandmother told them to drop dead. He left school at 13 and that was a genuine shame as he has a brilliant mind.


    I was born in '62.
    I remember well 2 families arriving on my street who had been burnt out of their homes north of the border, I remember the Miami Showband massacre and the Dublin Monaghan bombings and still feel a horrible deep seated desperation thinking about those times. Hardest thing in my own personal life I saw was nearly every friend emigrating mid '80's and losing comrades in Lebanon. Guess those years were harder on some more than others - it wouldn't have been a good time for women or for gays for 2 examples.

    My sons are educated in Science / Technical and they are fortunate to be setting out on rewarding careers. Could they buy a home through hard and honest work as I did? I am not sure. Will they have leisure time for friends and family and sport as i did? I hope so. I only know I see stress and worry and pressure that I never knew.

    tldr? each generation faces their own trials and tribulations.

    BTW - Great thread O.P.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,914 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Forced emigration has been a blight on this country for many generations. If you were not there and really want to get an insight into the life of those forced out of their own place I recommend these books.

    An Unconsidered People: The Irish in London by Catherine Dunne
    An Irish Navvy: Diary Of An Exile by Donall MacAmhlaigh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭tim_holsters


    And I ain't your mate, or bud, either.

    The 60s were definitely not a great time for the MAJORITY of the Irish in London. You don't seem to have any idea whatsoever as to what life was like there then.

    Jeez mate me heart bleeds, anyways the solution was simple just hop on the the boat back home to Ireland. Wonderful bountiful Ireland, I mean what were these lads doing in England anyway?

    If things were so bad in Blighty it's strange that they didn't just go home yeah.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭Rubberlegs


    elperello wrote: »
    Forced emigration has been a blight on this country for many generations. If you were not there and really want to get an insight into the life of those forced out of their own place I recommend these books.

    An Unconsidered People: The Irish in London by Catherine Dunne
    An Irish Navvy: Diary Of An Exile by Donall MacAmhlaigh

    Thanks for that , An Unconsidered People is the name of the book I've been trying to remember for ages :).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    If things were so bad in Blighty it's strange that they didn't just go home yeah.

    give all for the price of a flight?

    Wrapped up in old cardboard under Charing Cross Bridge
    And I’ll never go home now because of the shame
    Of misfit’s reflection in a shop window pane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭quadrifoglio verde


    My grandparents generation, born in the 1920s Ireland. My grandmother left school at 12, went to Scotland to pick potatoes so her younger brothers and sister could eat. My grandfather worked down the pit when he was 13 and went on to labouring on building sites for wimpy when he was older. He spent 48 weeks of the year working in England so his children back on a 4 acre farm on the side of mountain in the west of Ireland could grow up less hungry than he did

    I have a degree from trinners and am currently doing a masters in the rcsi. There might be doom and gloom out there, but my generation have had the bubblewrapped upbringing that my parents and grandparents could only have dreamed of


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭tim_holsters


    cajonlardo wrote: »
    give all for the price of a flight?

    Wrapped up in old cardboard under Charing Cross Bridge
    And I’ll never go home now because of the shame
    Of misfit’s reflection in a shop window pane.

    I see your point but it changes nothing and I've never liked Christy Moore tbf.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭mitchconnor16


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Since independence which generation of Irish people have endured the toughest time? Since independence, because obviously the great famine would be No.1 otherwise.
    I think anyone born in the 1930s had it pretty bad. The Great Depression, rationing during the emergency, mass migration and hopelessness in the 1950s. Also those born in the 1970s. The mass unemployment of the 80s, crash of the late noughties, just when they were deep in debt.
    What do you think?

    I think anyone who came of age during the naughties are close contenders with those who experienced the famine. I know having to emigrate has been a theme of the past but having to emigrate and watch foreign invaders come into your country and take your land and your jobs adds insult to injury. It's definitely a bitter pill to swallow.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46 Ol Dirty Masscard


    It's interesting to consider how much the jump in living standards even between about 1993 and 2003 was like night and day in this country. I remember being in my early teens when things started getting rich during the boom and it felt like something changed in around 2003 going into 2004 - like the older idea I had in my head of Ireland being somewhat poor was completely redundant and that peoples lives had become decadently easy. I felt kind of disturbed by it at the time, like there was something evil about kids my age growing up in such luxurious conditions - probably a remnant of catholic guilt and guilt about how hard people who lived throughout Ireland in the past had it. Not even thinking of access to cash (we weren't rich ourselves), moreso the availability to others of all the entertainment and comfortable beds, big houses with wooden floors, comfortable chairs, kids having phones etc. - just seemed like everyone was spoiled and being spoiled was bad or something. I used to feel that our teachers probably saw us as weak for not having to grow up in the crap times they did! that said I can remember when I was fairly young things were very tight, not so tight we suffered dreadfully but by the standards of today definitely a lot tighter with money/resources (eg. 10 p chomp bar once in a while being only treat, no chance of a toy during the year apart from at christmas, not even at birthday, no kids up for birthday parties because stuff would cost money etc.)


    I have to be honest, I think very few people born after 1982 had any type of experience of Celtic Tiger excess. I'd one pal whose dad had a haulage and courier firm and they became very rich overnight (new car every year type standard), apart from that I never knew of anyone working class who became (or pretended to be) ridiculously well off. Most people in their early 20's I knew still lived with their parents. Anyone I knew earning a decent coin in construction blew most of it on coke every weekend (I always found it strange how cocaine was portrayed as an upper class drug. Most college educated people I knew would have barely known what it looked like let alone used it), and everyone else was either a student or an apprentice scraping by on 250 odd a week. Most people I knew in their late 20's were strangled with a mortgage unless they'd managed to get on the affordable housing scheme. I left school in 2003, which IMO was before people started getting limos to the debs, before the leaving cert holiday became a thing, and so on.

    Rose tinted specs and all of that if you ask me. People constantly complained that their wages were not high enough to justify 6 euro for a pint and 350k for an ex corpo house in Finglas. I remember how striking it was when you would go up the North and see every young lad and young one driving around- in the South the insurance costs made this out of reach for the vast majority of people under 22 or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    mariaalice wrote: »
    In an Irish context anyone born from say 1945 to 1960 appeaser to have done well, for example if you got a job in the lower ranks of the public service/civil services/post office/ the Garda, and so on, in the fifties and sixties it means you were in a position to purchases a house in a decent area bring up a family and retired on a pension that is now greater that what you earned when you worked

    To be fair, you hear the refrain a lot nowadays that middle earners should still be able to have big houses in South County Dublin.

    Thing is that Dublin isn't in the 60s/70s/80s now. It's a modern European capital city with all the bad and good that comes with that. People here essentially want to keep the good bits: social class expansion, good careers, gentrification, high wages and industrialisation while suspending the property market in a sepia-tinted mid-60s frame.

    Get over it and move out to the suburbs and commuter towns like every other middle-earning family does in every other economically overheated European capital.


  • Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have to be honest, I think very few people born after 1982 had any type of experience of Celtic Tiger excess. I'd one pal whose dad had a haulage and courier firm and they became very rich overnight (new car every year type standard), apart from that I never knew of anyone working class who became (or pretended to be) ridiculously well off. Most people in their early 20's I knew still lived with their parents. Anyone I knew earning a decent coin in construction blew most of it on coke every weekend (I always found it strange how cocaine was portrayed as an upper class drug. Most college educated people I knew would have barely known what it looked like let alone used it), and everyone else was either a student or an apprentice scraping by on 250 odd a week. Most people I knew in their late 20's were strangled with a mortgage unless they'd managed to get on the affordable housing scheme. I left school in 2003, which IMO was before people started getting limos to the debs, before the leaving cert holiday became a thing, and so on.

    Rose tinted specs and all of that if you ask me. People constantly complained that their wages were not high enough to justify 6 euro for a pint and 350k for an ex corpo house in Finglas. I remember how striking it was when you would go up the North and see every young lad and young one driving around- in the South the insurance costs made this out of reach for the vast majority of people under 22 or so.

    All good points - I suppose a persons mind can remember things fom a distorted point of view, and I would have been looking at things from a much younger point of view too ie. in school until the end of the boom. To be honest I saw the coming of broadband internet as the biggest schism between "nowadays" and "the past". The world of 2013 for example was a lot more different to 2003 than 1993 was, more for the feeling of having access to unlimited information relatively quickly, social media, smartphones etc. than for how the economy was doing. In my mind the world of even 2004/5 was very different to that of 2008/9 for such reasons. When I first saw my brother being able to play against other people around the world on Mario Kart Wii I was like "why is everyone else not extremely impressed by this! I would have shat myself with excitement to have this as a kid!". That said, I remember the feeling in this country in 2009 was just a feeling of endless falling down and that we were all getting our comeuppance as a nation for our not putting money aside for a rainy day and getting ahead of ourselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,200 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    My parents used to tell me what it was like during the war, people these days have fook all to moan about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭uch


    My Granda was in four wars and still brought up a family of seven, he was active in the war of Independence, the civil war, The spanish Civil war and WW2, spent 3 years in prison for smuggling guns, hated Dev for framing him, and was a mad auld fecker, so I reckon his generation was the toughest, I got thick last week cause me telly couldn't get a signal. Perspective

    22/25



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