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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #1322
    PaulieBeef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 ✭PaulieBeef


    There was a couple of contractors digging at the top of my road last week - no markings on the van, Eir or otherwise. They seemed to have installed a small, round manhole about 10 inches in diameter. I had a look in the hole, as it was only covered with a piece of polystyrene - it was about 1.5 feet deep with a white, hard plastic lever-type contraption at the bottom. Any idea if this is related to the fibre rollout? It's on the blue line out of Westport towards Castlebar.


  • #1323
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    That sounds like a water meter...

    1429628614339


  • #1324
    PaulieBeef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 ✭PaulieBeef


    Not quite like that - there were no gauges on it. The manhole is about 100m from the nearest house, and the water in the immediate area is supplied by a local group scheme.


  • #1325
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    PaulieBeef wrote: »
    Not quite like that - there were no gauges on it. The manhole is about 100m from the nearest house, and the water in the immediate area is supplied by a local group scheme.

    All group schemes have been taken on by IW.

    Can you post a pic of an opened manhole if poss?


  • #1326
    PaulieBeef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 ✭PaulieBeef


    MMFITWGDV wrote: »
    PaulieBeef wrote: »
    Not quite like that - there were no gauges on it. The manhole is about 100m from the nearest house, and the water in the immediate area is supplied by a local group scheme.

    All group schemes have been taken on by IW.

    Can you post a pic of an opened manhole if poss?
    Will do. Will post back later.


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  • #1327
    mass_debater
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭mass_debater


    I don't think Eir have ever used a circular manhole


  • #1328
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    All group schemes have been taken on by IW
    Not true


  • #1329
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    MMFITWGDV wrote: »
    All group schemes have been taken on by IW.

    Nope.

    The Clogher GWS is undergoing a complete rebuild at the moment (paid for by a combination of local fundraising and a local authority grant). It's going to tap into the IW water main (because it buys its water from IW) somewhere in the area you're talking about, PaulieBeef. That could have something to do with it.


  • #1330
    TechSupport
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭TechSupport


    I'm in Allenwood South in Kildare. Last week I spoke to a KNN engineer who was surveying the main road at the top of my laneway. He said he preparing for the fibre optic cable to go underground/overhead from the village cab, (which has live vDSL). I asked how long would it take to go live in the area, 6 months maybe, a year, two years? he responded by saying that they are rushing to get it live ASAP, he suggested within two months maybe. The next day three KNN teams with traffic management systems and several diggers started digging up at different sections at roadside, near where the main underground lines went to pole. I had a look at what they did today. They have installed rectangular manhole covers, about 1,000 X 600 mm. The covers have "Eircom" clearly marked on them in a few different places.

    I would post the photo's I took but I'm a brand noobie to Boards so I'm not allowed to post pictures yet.

    I'm chuffed at the speed of the rollout, but competition is a great thing for consumers! As posted earlier by others, most of the FTTCs are now live and engineers can now concentrate on FTTH. I work from home and 1Gbps will make a huge difference to my business.
    The eFibre cabs in the village can't reach me, so this will be brilliant.
    Eircom rushed out eFibre initially because of the very sudden and very real threat UPC posed when they brought in very high speed BB to customers in the Tallaght/Clondalkin areas. Now companies like Digiweb/Vodaphone/Siro/ESB have kicked Eir into gear again and it's really going to be great for rural areas and the country in general.
    I wonder when Eir will drop the vDSL in towns/cities and move everyone to FTTH/FTTP. I can't imagine those already serviced with vDSL will be a priority for years to come. It will create the strange reversed situation where rural dwellers will have 1Gbps while city folk will have 10-120Mbps, hugely dependent on distance to the cabinet. Distance matters very little to fibre.
    And while many people won't know what to do with 1Gbps, I certainly will. I have quite a few different websites on paid hosted servers in City West, etc, I should be able to host quite a few of them internally now, which will give me great control and flexibility over them.
    1Gig is just the start, once the fibre is in the homes Eir will be able to increase the speed as time goes bye, 10Gigs anyone?


  • #1331
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    I haven't read the TOS but hosting commercial services is VERY likely to be prohibited.


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  • #1332
    TechSupport
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭TechSupport


    I'm just here as a Joe Soap, I'm not touting/promoting/selling/naming anything I do. I'm only posting about the topic and how it will effect me and my neighbours. Do you really think I said something wrong? I read some of the TOCs and I don't think I broke them! OMG that would be not be good if I was kicked on my first day! I don't work for Eir or any of the other companies related to BB.


  • #1333
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    No no, not boards. Eir FTTH. Google fibre had it in their terms and Virgin do it too.

    I host FTP and a few other bits but if youreshop.com resolves to a residential IP eir may get pissy.


  • #1334
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    TechSupport wrote: »
    I'm in Allenwood South in Kildare. Last week I spoke to a KNN engineer who was surveying the main road at the top of my laneway. He said he preparing for the fibre optic cable to go underground/overhead from the village cab, (which has live vDSL). I asked how long would it take to go live in the area, 6 months maybe, a year, two years? he responded by saying that they are rushing to get it live ASAP, he suggested within two months maybe. The next day three KNN teams with traffic management systems and several diggers started digging up at different sections at roadside, near where the main underground lines went to pole. I had a look at what they did today. They have installed rectangular manhole covers, about 1,000 X 600 mm. The covers have "Eircom" clearly marked on them in a few different places.

    I would post the photo's I took but I'm a brand noobie to Boards so I'm not allowed to post pictures yet.

    it's great that this is been done, BUT everything you described is the work that I saw in my own area beginning 1st week in April. I got very excited as the week went on with several manholes installed over a 1km distance with exactly the same descriptions as you have posted. I posted regularly during that week thinking that it was going to continue to completion.

    A week later they had several manholes finished and didn't come near the area for another 3 months, then came back one afternoon over a month ago to uncover more manholes hidden underneath the soil, and they haven't been back since.

    While I am excited that FTTH is coming, this wait is very drawn out! Ive no idea when they are gonna come back and wire the area up but plenty of patience is required. When the lads were last in the area, a neighbour asked them when is it going to be completed, and they said they would be back within a week or 2 to finish the job. Still waiting.

    The reason why this has been very slow is that most of KNN is working on the FTTC rollout, which is nearing it's completion. Hopefully your wait between stages of development won't be nearly as long as mine if the KNN guys start concentrating on the FTTH rollout from next week. Fingers crossed!


  • #1335
    TechSupport
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭TechSupport


    thanks for the input Gonzo. I read a lot of the comments in this thread and I can see that many people were delighted when the preparatory work was carried out but were then deflated when nothing seemed to happen for months on end. At the moment I am using Premier Broadband and they provide a very consistent 10Mbps with very low latency, even at night. I have a 200GB cap with them, but I'm pretty sure I exceed that Regularly as I have three kids who spend a lot of time on Junior YouTube and a daughter that streams Doctor Who and Sherlock everyday from Sky and Netflix, my wife and I mostly watch Sky On Demand and Netflix at night.

    We'll survive another six months on Premier, but the Eir FTTH will make living and working in a very rural area much easier. I have a 4K TV and can't stream 4K Netflix content as I need a minimum of 20Mbps for that to work properly, (preferably 25-30Megs), but that's a luxury really. I play a lot of online games on Xbox and all of the games seem to need huge updates constantly, I downloaded 7Gigs of updates today alone!

    We'll just have to wait, but the KNN guys seemed to think that the roll outs were going to happen much faster now as whoever gets the fibre in first will have control of it for years to come, they'll just have to wholesale it to the other providers, (for ridiculously little money).

    Tick Tock, Tick Tock


  • #1336
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Not true
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Nope.

    The Clogher GWS is undergoing a complete rebuild at the moment (paid for by a combination of local fundraising and a local authority grant). It's going to tap into the IW water main (because it buys its water from IW) somewhere in the area you're talking about, PaulieBeef. That could have something to do with it.

    All of the group schemes around me were sucked in to that behemoth and I thought the legislation stated that as soon as IW started operating, that they became responsible for every scheme in the country. I'm obviously incorrect on that ... so I will apologise for my sweeping and inaccurate statement :o and now say, lets get back on topic. :)


  • #1337
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    TechSupport wrote: »
    I have quite a few different websites on paid hosted servers in City West, etc, I should be able to host quite a few of them internally now, which will give me great control and flexibility over them.

    What it won't give you is an SLA. Do you really want those websites to be down after a storm, with no guaranteed time to fix?


  • #1338
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    TechSupport wrote: »
    The eFibre cabs in the village can't reach me, so this will be brilliant.
    Eircom rushed out eFibre initially because of the very sudden and very real threat UPC posed when they brought in very high speed BB to customers in the Tallaght/Clondalkin areas. Now companies like Digiweb/Vodaphone/Siro/ESB have kicked Eir into gear again and it's really going to be great for rural areas and the country in general.

    The one thing that makes me believe that Eir will indeed complete FTTH to all 300,000 premises is that their FTTC rollout has been completed on time and has reached many more areas than originally expected.

    Read the first 20 or so pages of the original FTTC rollout thread started early 2012.http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056555985

    Back then you can tell from many of the posts the state of broadband at that time.

    - Eir known as Eircom were broke, they hadn't completed the ADSL rollout.
    - Speeds outside UPC areas were generally 1-8 meg. Eircom were years behind everywhere else.
    - The FTTC rollout began in small phased sections only concentrating on the largest areas.
    - Many of us thought that Eir would stop after Phase 3
    - Some of us even questioned would they be able to complete the initial rollout.
    - We were all too used to Eircom dragging their heels on everything.
    - FTTH was nothing more than an experiment in Sandyford/Wexford and a pipe dream to everyone else.
    - I didn't understand FTTC and thought it could easily be put everywhere!
    - UPC were destroying Eircom left, right and centre in urban areas.
    - Rural areas had no plan and seemed like nothing was ever gonna change.

    Fast forward to now. Eir is a totally different company than it was in 2012. Ireland's Fiber infrastructure is very impressive.

    While I'm still on similar speeds that I was on back in 2012, things are looking a whole lot better with the Eir rural FTTH scheme started and going far deeper into the countryside than any of us ever imagined.

    Hopefully Eir will start wiring up areas in phase 1 of the rural FTTH rollout in next few weeks with completion of Phase 1 aimed for March 2017.

    I would like to think Phase 2 of the next 100,000 should get announced over the coming months.

    I also expect upgrades to FTTC areas with some sort of G.Fast enabling speeds far greater than 100megs from Cabinets to start over the next year or two.

    As for Virgin Media it's only a matter of time before they start offering FTTH style speeds once Eir's FTTH becomes live in more and more areas.


  • #1339
    Dero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭Dero


    Good post Gonzo. I agree that we've come a long way in the last few years. I'm actually starting to get cautiously optimistic for the future. If FTTH is handled correctly, it really will set us up for the next few decades.
    Gonzo wrote: »
    I would like to think Phase 2 of the next 100,000 should get announced over the coming months.

    I'm curious about this next phase though. I wonder will it be exclusively areas not on the original list, or will they extend the coverage in some/all of the initial areas?

    I ask because I'm on a non-blue line road in one of the first phase areas. I'd like to think that having done one cabinet in an exchange, it would be relatively easy to extend the coverage to the entire exchange area. I know that's naive and wishful though.

    Still; if Eir do get the NBP contract, I'd imagine finishing off these areas will represent the low-hanging fruit and get done relatively early in the project.

    (fingers crossed...)


  • #1340
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    I wonder, after the first 100,000 are done, will eir stop to wait for the NBP to be announced, at which time it might be possible for them to include the other 200,000 on the blue lines in the NBP and thus get those connections subsidised. It is difficult to call which way eir will view this ..... do all the 300,000 as commercial regardless or wait for a subsidy for the 200,000 remaining.


  • #1341
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I wonder, after the first 100,000 are done, will eir stop to wait for the NBP to be announced, at which time it might be possible for them to include the other 200,000 on the blue lines in the NBP and thus get those connections subsidised. It is difficult to call which way eir will view this ..... do all the 300,000 as commercial regardless or wait for a subsidy for the 200,000 remaining.

    Hmmm as they haven't started any of the FTTH properly yet me thinks the latter.
    Naturally they want to save as much money as possible - they are a private company with shareholders so cash is the main objective.


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  • #1342
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    Dero wrote: »
    I'm curious about this next phase though. I wonder will it be exclusively areas not on the original list, or will they extend the coverage in some/all of the initial areas?I ask because I'm on a non-blue line road in one of the first phase areas. I'd like to think that having done one cabinet in an exchange, it would be relatively easy to extend the coverage to the entire exchange area. I know that's naive and wishful though.
    I would say you will have to sit tight and wait for what ever the NBP brings you..

    There is no way Eir will be allowed a subsidy re the blue lines, the blue lines themselves would be down as commercially viable..

    I am sure at this stage Eir would have submitted these blue line areas to the DCENR and have it secured for themselves..


  • #1343
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    I would say you will have to sit tight and wait for what ever the NBP brings you..

    There is no way Eir will be allowed a subsidy re the blue lines, the blue lines themselves would be down as commercially viable..

    I am sure at this stage Eir would have submitted these blue line areas to the DCENR and have it secured for themselves..

    I'm on a blue line but I'm also in a NBP area - so how will that be handled? Will Eir not be subsidised for providing in my area?


  • #1344
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I really hope to see big progress over the next few weeks. My area is down for Autumn/winter 2016 and next Thursday is the start of Autumn.

    If this area is to be live before Christmas, they would need to get wiring very soon. I've no idea how quick they can wire an entire area up. It's entirely possible that they could wire several km per day. If that's the case then many of the areas listed as Autumn/Winter 2016 could be live in time for Christmas despite still all waiting to be wired up.

    Even when they do wire up the road, how long is the wait gonna be before it's orderable, when the exchange is finished or when several exchanges have been completed?

    I'm also very interested to see will the wiring stop where the blue lines end or will they go further.

    When everything is finally ready and orderable, I am hoping that Eir can install the fiber in what ever location you want even if your current modem/line is in a different room.


  • #1345
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    damienirel wrote: »
    I'm on a blue line but I'm also in a NBP area - so how will that be handled? Will Eir not be subsidised for providing in my area?
    Most of the country is covered with blue lines, Eir have to show commitment re installing fibre runs etc. so with the first 100,000 they would have to get the plan passed by the DCENR... So the next lot will too...The DCENR have already stated that the NBP is flexible regarding this..in that the blueline runs can be taken off the NBP on a step by step process..
    Possibly there is a final date they can do this...maybe the next phase of the bluelines is the rest of them in one fell swoop..and if Eir win one or two of the two contracts then the blueline runs will be completed as well as the NBP being completed..


  • #1346
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    Most of the country is covered with blue lines, Eir have to show commitment re installing fibre runs etc. so with the first 100,000 they would have to get the plan passed by the DCENR... So the next lot will too...The DCENR have already stated that the NBP is flexible regarding this..in that the blueline runs can be taken off the NBP on a step by step process..
    Possibly there is a final date they can do this...maybe the next phase of the bluelines is the rest of them in one fell swoop..and if Eir win one or two of the two contracts then the blueline runs will be completed as well as the NBP being completed..

    Of course it's flexible the gov. don't want to spend a load of money on this if they can get away without. But I can't see Eir ploughing massive quantities of shareholders money in either - that's why I see this dragging out it will be a case of chicken - the only thing pushing it will be the EU rulings.


  • #1347
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I've no idea how quick they can wire an entire area up. It's entirely possible that they could wire several km per day. If that's the case then many of the areas listed as Autumn/Winter 2016 could be live in time for Christmas despite still all waiting to be wired up.

    Even when they do wire up the road, how long is the wait gonna be before it's orderable, when the exchange is finished or when several exchanges have been completed?

    I'm also very interested to see will the wiring stop where the blue lines end or will they go further.

    When everything is finally ready and orderable, I am hoping that Eir can install the fiber in what ever location you want even if your current modem/line is in a different room.
    First off they will be running 600km of on the pole fibre a month, that 20 km per day inc weekends get out the map again and calculate the total blueline run in dunshaughlin...;) then I am sure when they start the installing the fibre they will finish it before moving on..

    I would say you could order straight away as it would get the coil of fibre installed and not hanging on a pole waiting for some ijit to come along and cut it...Exchange will have been completed, didn't someone put a post up saying all the stuff is installed and waiting in most if not all exchanges..

    Some here stated from talking to an engineer that where the blueline stops the fibre stops, ie. if a house's driveway is at the end of a blue line, it will get done..

    It will be installed, where its easiest for them...its up to you to connect into it...


  • #1348
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    pegasus1 wrote: »

    I am sure at this stage Eir would have submitted these blue line areas to the DCENR and have it secured for themselves..
    They did submit the blue line properties, but the Department would not accept a mere promise by EIR who refused to go through the map change process. EIR then said they would go through the process, but that's the last we heard of it. There's no way it happened without us hearing about it. As Johnny says it's complicated what EIR will do now.


  • #1349
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    KOR101 wrote: »
    They did submit the blue line properties, but the Department would not accept a mere promise by EIR who refused to go through the map change process. EIR then said they would go through the process, but that's the last we heard of it. There's no way it happened without us hearing about it. As Johnny says it's complicated what EIR will do now.

    Totally agree it's all promises so far. It remains to be seen what actually happens regarding the blue lines.


  • #1350
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    KOR101 wrote: »
    They did submit the blue line properties, but the Department would not accept a mere promise by EIR who refused to go through the map change process. EIR then said they would go through the process, but that's the last we heard of it. There's no way it happened without us hearing about it. As Johnny says it's complicated what EIR will do now.
    And they could very well have resubmitted them with more proof...


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  • #1351
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    damienirel wrote: »
    Totally agree it's all promises so far. It remains to be seen what actually happens regarding the blue lines.
    Damien, not being cheeky get a glass out of the cabinet and fill it...then start thinking that way..be optimistic...it will happen one way or another...if the NBP fails there would be huge protests...


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