Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

km79 · 24-08-2016 11:07AM

Blud wrote: »

It wouldn't be ideal for the bigger clubs with a few county players, but it's better than the rubbish we have this year.

Here's a question - Mayo's last league game this year was 3 April, and first championship game v London was 29 May. Exclude the week before the London game and there were 6 Sundays there between those games. Why was the group stage of the championship not played off then?

If it was done then, you would have the full summer where the league could be played every Saturday evening without county players, lads having a full summer of football and happy days for everyone. Too simple a solution for those in charge?

Very good suggestion
Champ knockouts would then run into provincials as well
Although mayo didn't make league semi and final this year
Anyway it all needs to be streamlined

Coillte_Bhoy · 24-08-2016 11:44AM

Westernyelp wrote: »

The Rugby provinces do it when the internationals are called up. Seems to work okay. Can seem a bit unfair sometimes. But at least the clubs will get their games and players can plan their lives with a bit more certainty

Yes for the Pro 12, which is probably their equivalent of the league, it doesnt happen for the european cup, their equivalent of the cship

Oldtree · 24-08-2016 12:46PM

Was very worried about upcoming club games. Glad to see they've postponed them, pity it wasnt thought about earlier in the year and club matches played then. Cant be that difficult to organise in advance of the season.

km79 · 24-08-2016 01:26PM

Billy Joe Padden on mayo podcast is worth listening too on the matter
Basically said the same as Caff and David Brady
Roch would lose more than just week with them due to knock on effects of injuries etc from club games
would not only lose the advantage of the extra week but would it fact put ourselves at a disadvantage to Gavin/Fitzmaurice who would have had players right through to final
I think the fact that we have reached a fair few finals in recent years is skewing our view on it
It's an AI final. We have not won it since 1951 . We should be leaving no stone unturned .

Blud · 24-08-2016 02:12PM

km79 wrote: »

Billy Joe Padden on mayo podcast is worth listening too on the matter
Basically said the same as Caff and David Brady
Roch would lose more than just week with them due to knock on effects of injuries etc from club games
would not only lose the advantage of the extra week but would it fact put ourselves at a disadvantage to Gavin/Fitzmaurice who would have had players right through to final
I think the fact that we have reached a fair few finals in recent years is skewing our view on it
It's an AI final. We have not won it since 1951 . We should be leaving no stone unturned .

With all due respect to all involved, I don't care what BJ Padden, Brady or Cafferkey have to say on the matter. They are only looking at this from the perspective of the elite.

When it comes to us playing club football, I also don't care that Mayo haven't won an All Ireland since '51. It's irrelevant.

Leaving no stone unturned is a lovely little catchphrase, sounds great. If it involves disbanding club football altogether until we win an All Ireland, then why not fire ahead with that too?

There s zero reason why the club championship can't be held Saturday evening so that the Mayo squad can do a recovery together on Sunday morning followed by watching the other semi together. No reason whatsoever.

Still, much easier to just scrap the club games - at least those pesky club players won't be asked their opinions in the mainstream media like the Padden, Brady and Cafferkey, so what's to lose?

Kalyke · 24-08-2016 02:31PM

Blud wrote: »

With all due respect to all involved, I don't care what BJ Padden, Brady or Cafferkey have to say on the matter. They are only looking at this from the perspective of the elite.

When it comes to us playing club football, I also don't care that Mayo haven't won an All Ireland since '51. It's irrelevant.

Leaving no stone unturned is a lovely little catchphrase, sounds great. If it involves disbanding club football altogether until we win an All Ireland, then why not fire ahead with that too?

There s zero reason why the club championship can't be held Saturday evening so that the Mayo squad can do a recovery together on Sunday morning followed by watching the other semi together. No reason whatsoever.

Still, much easier to just scrap the club games - at least those pesky club players won't be asked their opinions in the mainstream media like the Padden, Brady and Cafferkey, so what's to lose?

Seriously?? I think you are on the wrong thread...

km79 · 24-08-2016 02:35PM

Blud wrote: »

With all due respect to all involved, I don't care what BJ Padden, Brady or Cafferkey have to say on the matter. They are only looking at this from the perspective of the elite.

When it comes to us playing club football, I also don't care that Mayo haven't won an All Ireland since '51. It's irrelevant.

Leaving no stone unturned is a lovely little catchphrase, sounds great. If it involves disbanding club football altogether until we win an All Ireland, then why not fire ahead with that too?

There s zero reason why the club championship can't be held Saturday evening so that the Mayo squad can do a recovery together on Sunday morning followed by watching the other semi together. No reason whatsoever.

Still, much easier to just scrap the club games - at least those pesky club players won't be asked their opinions in the mainstream media like the Padden, Brady and Cafferkey, so what's to lose?

I can see your POV as well don't get me wrong
Ideally no games would have been fixed at all between semi and final and club players could have planned holidays etc BUT imagine how that would have looked before Tipp game !
It's a very tricky situation and I think in the end the CB have come up with a fairly acceptable compromise
Now personally I would probably have left the games off for a further week........what happens in the event of a draw ? Games cancelled again
and either way in the event of win/lose the players deserve a while to let off steam

glack · 24-08-2016 02:44PM

Speaking of the possibility of a draw...if it was to end in a draw when would the replay take place?

mayo.mick · 24-08-2016 03:13PM

glack wrote: »

Speaking of the possibility of a draw...if it was to end in a draw when would the replay take place?

Replay is down for Saturday 1st October.

BonnieSituation · 24-08-2016 03:13PM

glack wrote: »

Speaking of the possibility of a draw...if it was to end in a draw when would the replay take place?

I would have assumed the Saturday fortnight?

Blud · 24-08-2016 03:45PM

Kalyke wrote: »

Seriously?? I think you are on the wrong thread...

Either you ignored the context of the sentence (i.e. "When it comes to us playing club football"), or you need to work on basic reading comprehension.

Either way, your attitude is indicative of why the county board can get away with shafting the club players yet again.

This is the Mayo GAA Discussion thread. There is more to Mayo GAA than the Mayo senior football team.

Or at least there used to be, before they got this bizarre cult hero worship that they currently enjoy/suffer.

Bunny Colvin · 24-08-2016 04:09PM

Blud wrote: »

Either you ignored the context of the sentence (i.e. "When it comes to us playing club football"), or you need to work on basic reading comprehension.

Either way, your attitude is indicative of why the county board can get away with shafting the club players yet again.

This is the Mayo GAA Discussion thread. There is more to Mayo GAA than the Mayo senior football team.

Or at least there used to be, before they got this bizarre cult hero worship that they currently enjoy/suffer.

Mayo always had a hardcore support, it has increased with the Horan era but it was always there, no denying that.

The County Board deserve credit for making the correct decision. It certainly has put out some club players but a lot will also understand. Either way, no choice no but to get on with it. There's an All-Ireland to be played.

martyos121 · 24-08-2016 04:09PM

Blud wrote: »

Either you ignored the context of the sentence (i.e. "When it comes to us playing club football"), or you need to work on basic reading comprehension.

Either way, your attitude is indicative of why the county board can get away with shafting the club players yet again.

This is the Mayo GAA Discussion thread. There is more to Mayo GAA than the Mayo senior football team.

Or at least there used to be, before they got this bizarre cult hero worship that they currently enjoy/suffer.

Yeah god forbid we'd support our county and the lads that represent it who give it their all everytime they take to the pitch. You're accusing people of not thinking about club football when you're completely looking past inter-county competition yourself.

There's more than enough chat here about club matches when the time is right for it but why on earth would you expect it to be a major topic of conversation at this time of year? The few club players I know aren't too concerned with when or how they'll play in their own matches, they know it's time to support the lads who wear the county colours.

Peist2007 · 24-08-2016 04:57PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

Shame for the clubs but let's get our priorities 100% straight, this team and this county need an All-Ireland. Simple as, and by not risking players we will hopefully be better for it. Even if we lose at least we'll have used common sense in our preps.

Common sense? Our final opponents are playing a higher intensity fixture at the same time as the now postponed club games would have been played.

Anyone here played 6 club senior league games in November? I have. Not a lot of people there watching with even some of my clubmates at home watching Man Utd like the rest of Mayo Gaa's staunch support. I found it hard to blame my clubmates who werent there though. Some of them had played hundreds of games of backs and forwards since we commenced training the previous December.

Kalyke · 24-08-2016 04:58PM

Blud wrote: »

Either you ignored the context of the sentence (i.e. "When it comes to us playing club football"), or you need to work on basic reading comprehension.

Either way, your attitude is indicative of why the county board can get away with shafting the club players yet again.

This is the Mayo GAA Discussion thread. There is more to Mayo GAA than the Mayo senior football team.

Or at least there used to be, before they got this bizarre cult hero worship that they currently enjoy/suffer.

Drop the attitude bud...My reading comp is excellent. How come all of a sudden this is such an important issue for you? You only signed up a couple of days ago!

Peist2007 · 24-08-2016 04:59PM

Blud wrote: »

Joke of a decision.

Us club players haven't been able to take holidays all summer, played one championship game at the beginning of May and one at the end of June, and now nothing until the end of September. Three months between championship games at the group stage. What's the point?

And now we probably can't even have a pint on All Ireland final weekend!!! Well I hope everyone else enjoys the weekend, because there's not much in it for us any more.

Next year will be worse if they go with that group stage stuff - guaranteed not to be playing games for July and August next year too.

That'll be it for me now anyway, can't justify travelling home and putting off holidays or stag weekends or whatever for club football any more. Congrats to the GAA on turning football into an elite level sport, they couldn't care less about the rest of us.

I retired from club at 28. Just realised there was more to life than travelling west from dublin every weekend to play backs and forwards.

Blud · 24-08-2016 05:14PM

Kalyke wrote: »

Drop the attitude bud...My reading comp is excellent. How come all of a sudden this is such an important issue for you? You only signed up a couple of days ago!

Why would you assume that this is only an important issue for me since my sign up date on here? That's an odd assumption to make.

I'm playing senior football for the club for 9 years now. I'm not much good, but I enjoy it. It see,s now though that there is no longer a GAA that caters for players like me. Are all of you happy with this being the way GAA is going forward?

It's not exactly the community focused organisation it claims to be, is it? How can it be when the focus is clearly on the elite to the detriment of everyone else?

The point is that the demise of club football is the single biggest issue facing the GAA, something that is recognised by the GAA themselves. The majority on here don't seem to see this, but there's a few of us at least that can discuss the issue without taking the 'county team or nothing' type approach.

Blud · 24-08-2016 05:15PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

A lot of lads and girls on this thread who have never played adult club football.

This is the truest post on this thread. I'd say there's a fair few that haven't been to too many club games either.

Blud · 24-08-2016 05:17PM

km79 wrote: »

I can see your POV as well don't get me wrong
Ideally no games would have been fixed at all between semi and final and club players could have planned holidays etc BUT imagine how that would have looked before Tipp game !
It's a very tricky situation and I think in the end the CB have come up with a fairly acceptable compromise
Now personally I would probably have left the games off for a further week........what happens in the event of a draw ? Games cancelled again
and either way in the event of win/lose the players deserve a while to let off steam

When you say 'fairly acceptable compromise', what do you mean? How is cancelling the club games a compromise?

km79 · 24-08-2016 05:24PM

Blud wrote: »

When you say 'fairly acceptable compromise', what do you mean? How is cancelling the club games a compromise?

They cancelled only games involving county players instead of allowing all to go ahead /cancelling all .
I would say that's a compromise wouldn't you ?
That's my last post on the matter as I feel I've been fair And have said I can see both points of view but you just seem to want an argument .

Kalyke · 24-08-2016 05:25PM

Blud wrote: »

When you say 'fairly acceptable compromise', what do you mean? How is cancelling the club games a compromise?

Its the opposite of the "My way or the highway" approach that you seem to adopt.

http://www.elionline.com/res/ftpeli/resources/bestcommercialpractice/int/D2_W1_int.pdf

Peist2007 · 24-08-2016 05:42PM

See the issue is that there is a run-off to this. My first cousin played in an All Ireland Under 21 Semi-Final for Mayo 4 or 5 years ago. An excellent player. Has since won championship honours with the club at senior level and was involved in the Sports Stars of the Year. He is now 25/26 and played a few games for the club this year. His reasons? Simply sick of the grind of training aimlessly for matches that never happen. Next year he will prob not play at all. Too few games or too many (playing off 8 or 9 games in Nov / Dec). Not in the Mayo Senior squad so forgotten and irrelevant.

Now the issue there is that the "grind" becomes an ever more valid reason to call it quits. I quit at 28 (six years ago) and the numbers since who simply cannot be arsed to go through the hell that is club training if they are being messed around re fixtures has only increased. I recall giving Radiohead / Beck tickets to a mate with me sat at home (almost crying with anger actually, my most angry ever) on the day of the gig because the game was simply pulled and i was now at a loose end with no ticket.

Another point with club football is that not every club player is 22 with nothing but college holidays and labouring to think about. A lot of lads in their mid to late 20s and 30s have jobs, wives, girlfriends to think about. I know any dedicated club player in his 30s is juggling family holidays etc around championship and this crack of cancelling arbitrarily is simply unacceptable.

People bemoan the standards of football these days and how things in the past were different. I see a marked reduction in the quality of football with the advent of "professionalism". And if we keep ignoring our source of county players (our clubs), then standards will continue to fall.

Brian Cody releases Kilkenny players to play for their clubs a lot closer to championship than next weekend would be for us. Someone previously couldnt understand my reference. Look at the last 10 years of All Irelands and tell me who has it better? Kilkenny whose players play for their clubs or Tipp who favour a cotton wool approach? How has our own cotton wool approach worked for us in the past?

Blud · 24-08-2016 06:08PM

Kalyke wrote: »

Its the opposite of the "My way or the highway" approach that you seem to adopt.

You see, to me a compromise involves coming to an arrangement that, while not perfect to anyone, is relatively satisfactory to all parties when compared with the competing alternatives.

This 'compromise' involves us club players getting shafted at the last minute, again, for the sake of protecting the elite players for a game 3 weeks later. In return, we get the fixture refixed for the week after the All Ireland, which will mean that a) we can't have a few pints over All Ireland final weekend, b) while the county players are either celebrating or drowning their sorrows in the week after the final, we will be out training for the games on the 24th, c) the county players will be in no fit state to actually play those games in any case, win or lose in the final, and d) if it's a draw then the games get put back again to the 8th of October.

I'm not sure that's a compromise from my point of view. I'm also not sure how you can't seem to understand how that might frustrate me and a pile of other club players in Mayo.

Blud · 24-08-2016 06:10PM

km79 wrote: »

They cancelled only games involving county players instead of allowing all to go ahead /cancelling all .
I would say that's a compromise wouldn't you ?
That's my last post on the matter as I feel I've been fair And have said I can see both points of view but you just seem to want an argument .

Apologies if that's how I've come across mate, I agree with a lot of the points you've made today, just frustrated with the conclusion that you, others on this thread and, clearly, the county board have come to. I'm sure you can understand.

happyoutscan · 24-08-2016 06:48PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Common sense? Our final opponents are playing a higher intensity fixture at the same time as the now postponed club games would have been played.

I do understand that but winning an All-Ireland (and get that monkey off our back) with a full panel/no injuries is what I'm thinking needs to be done first. Then we can look and hopefully proceed with showing considerable more respect to clubs/players in the future.

Some interesting posts today that have highlighted a lot of things to me regarding the club situation throughout the county. My own former club - an amalgamation - has considerable problems as well but that's for another day.

TCDStudent1 · 24-08-2016 07:11PM

Blud wrote: »

You see, to me a compromise involves coming to an arrangement that, while not perfect to anyone, is relatively satisfactory to all parties when compared with the competing alternatives.

This 'compromise' involves us club players getting shafted at the last minute, again, for the sake of protecting the elite players for a game 3 weeks later. In return, we get the fixture refixed for the week after the All Ireland, which will mean that a) we can't have a few pints over All Ireland final weekend, b) while the county players are either celebrating or drowning their sorrows in the week after the final, we will be out training for the games on the 24th, c) the county players will be in no fit state to actually play those games in any case, win or lose in the final, and d) if it's a draw then the games get put back again to the 8th of October.

I'm not sure that's a compromise from my point of view. I'm also not sure how you can't seem to understand how that might frustrate me and a pile of other club players in Mayo.

100% correct. It is an awful decision by the Mayo county board to postpone the club matches & shows a despicable lack of respect to the clubs. If I was playing for one of those clubs, I would be very very annoyed so I can understand Blud's attitude.

One wonders what will happen if Mayo win the final regarding point c. Given the celebrations that Mayo will have, it is hard to see how the county players will be able to offer anything a few days later for their club.

seligehgit · 24-08-2016 07:34PM

With all the discussion of club v county,here's an article echoing Blud's very understandable sentiments.

http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28444-mayo-club-player-slams-two-tier-system

yop · 25-08-2016 09:45AM

seligehgit wrote: »

With all the discussion of club v county,here's an article echoing Blud's very understandable sentiments.

http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28444-mayo-club-player-slams-two-tier-system

Potentially one of the same person I'd be thinking based on the post.

The issue is with Mayo GAA County board, not the players, so I think this "I don't care if Mayo don't win an AI" is childish and stinks of jealousy if you ask me.
Your club has county reps, have you gone to them to bring it the County board?

This has been happening for decades, its not new, but yet we have lads moaning about it still. If your club gets out of Mayo and into Connacht or AI level club matches will you be on here moaning again? I think not.

Either go fix it or put up, this other BS about elitism or bandwagon fans is embarrassing. I have a level of sympathy, but this was an issue 20 years ago, time players went and fixed it.

padd b1975 · 25-08-2016 10:35AM

I honestly can't believe this is even being discussed at any great length.

65 years people.

65 ****ing years.

naughto · 25-08-2016 11:00AM

Did any one ask the players what they wanted?
Like would any manager want to play there county players and be the reason that they get injured and miss the allireland.

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