Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

ProudDUB · 22-08-2016 08:25PM

seligehgit wrote: »

We had excellent seats on the 21 yard line lower Cusack stand towards the Davin stand,around row D if I recall.It was a splendid weather wise,maybe as ProudDub rightly says we should be hoping for a less energy sapping day weather wise.

Poor Aidan was given the run around that day with Cluxton's kickouts and the constant motion that was the mobile Dublin midfield and half forwards.

Of course I'm not ruling the Kingdom turning them over.

Ah yes, I have fond memories of James McCarthy and Paul Flynn hoovering up ball after ball out on the wings, while Aidan huffed and puffed in the middle of the pitch, wondering where the ball went and why none of the Dublin kids wanted to play with him. Poor aul Aido !

Coillte_Bhoy · 22-08-2016 08:52PM

Any word on whether the round of club c'ship games next weekend is going ahead?

MaroonAndGreen · 22-08-2016 09:29PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote:

Any word on whether the round of club c'ship games next weekend is going ahead?

It appears to be. Rochford said post match that players are released to their clubs this week for club championship!

padd b1975 · 22-08-2016 10:12PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

It appears to be. Rochford said post match that players are released to their clubs this week for club championship!

Lovely stuff.

All we need now is an injury scare or for some crackpot referee to flash a straight red!

charlie14 · 22-08-2016 10:23PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

It appears to be. Rochford said post match that players are released to their clubs this week for club championship!

Next week before it`s known who Mayo will face in the final, so tactically nothing to work on this week in relation too the final, but from yesterday a lot of basics could be brushed up on.
Seems a bit daft to chance injuries in club championship games. Especially when there will be pressure on the likes of O Connor the younger to play.
He didn`t look right yesterday, and looked as if that injury hasn`t cleared up fully.
Last thing a player in that situation neeeds is club championship.

seligehgit · 22-08-2016 10:24PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

It appears to be. Rochford said post match that players are released to their clubs this week for club championship!

Same confirmed on Off The Ball tonight.

MaroonAndGreen · 22-08-2016 10:41PM

It's Quarter Final stage now though so not every player will actually have a game, little consolation I know

Padkir · 22-08-2016 11:07PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

It appears to be. Rochford said post match that players are released to their clubs this week for club championship!

I've no problem with that. Lads could get injured at any time, and I'd hope that a lot of the training sessions these couple of weeks wouldn't be far off that intensity anyway, so just as likely to happen then.

23-08-2016 01:28AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Yes Tipp never had a sniff of a goal did they? Suppose it would be too much to hope for the same against Dublin or Kerry...

Mayo done very well on Mikey and Conor tbf. The only goal chance i can remember was Josh Keane's which Tin Cup put through for him though it can be argued that Clarke was more than equal to it so could be classified a half chance. We had runs on goal where we didnt find a man in space at stages. More experienced players such as Connolly, Bernard Brogan, MDMA, will pick out men or their shooting will be better

Mayo mixed the good with the bad yesterday. They can get a run at teams and have the physical power but they need to keep that score board ticking over.

aidan24326 · 23-08-2016 02:16AM

There's a strange inconsistency with Mayo at the moment. For 10-12 mins before half time they looked like a team that would beat anyone, but for 20 mins before and 20 after Mayo looked very ordinary and it took a soft and rather fortuitous goal to finally put the game to bed.

Maybe better and more esteemed opposition in the final will bring about a big improvement but god knows it'll need to as that kind of performance against Dublin would result in a trouncing.

Brusna · 23-08-2016 06:38AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

It's Quarter Final stage now though so not every player will actually have a game, little consolation I know

No, it's the final round of the group stage so all senior and intermediate teams have a game.

manofwisdom · 23-08-2016 06:59AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Dublin or Kerry will be a different story.
Personally I'd fancy our chances v Kerry, they have been as bad as Mayo all year.
Against Dublin though everything would have to go right, which is a big ask.

You are a poster that like to refer back to league form when debating championship match ups so you don't need me to tell you tell you that only Dublin were better in Div one than Kerry this year while Mayo only stayed up on scoring difference.

In the Championship this summer Kerry retained their provincial title Mayo did not. Both played Tipperary and Kerrys win was far more convincing than Mayos on Sunday.

Lastly if Kerry are good enough to topple the Dubs this Sunday then in theory they should be able to beat a Mayo side whom as you say have been bad all year.

Fr Tod Umptious · 23-08-2016 07:49AM

manofwisdom wrote: »

You are a poster that like to refer back to league form when debating championship match ups so you don't need me to tell you tell you that only Dublin were better in Div one than Kerry this year while Mayo only stayed up on scoring difference.

In the Championship this summer Kerry retained their provincial title Mayo did not. Both played Tipperary and Kerrys win was far more convincing than Mayos on Sunday.

Lastly if Kerry are good enough to topple the Dubs this Sunday then in theory they should be able to beat a Mayo side whom as you say have been bad all year.

My comparison of the league for Mayo v Tipp was in the context that Tipp had never been to the same level as Mayo have been in the league, it showed

Kerry played a very settled team after they lost their first two league games
But they were shown to be very off Dublin in the final.
That team has changed slightly but not dramatically in some areas.

As for the Kerry beat Tipp far more convincing than Mayo did I'll refer you to the Tipp beat Galway and Mayo lost to Galway argument

Peist2007 · 23-08-2016 09:51AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

It's Quarter Final stage now though so not every player will actually have a game, little consolation I know

Let the clubs play. There are more people involved in GAA in Mayo than the county squad. All Ireland or no All Ireland.

RobbieRuns · 23-08-2016 10:02AM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Let the clubs play. There are more people involved in GAA in Mayo than the county squad. All Ireland or no All Ireland.

If one your top players gets injured?

Peist2007 · 23-08-2016 10:13AM

RobbieRuns wrote: »

If one your top players gets injured?

That's the risk that has to be taken. You cant cancel the club championship until the all ireland championship ends. Doesnt seem to affect Kilkenny and there will be some tasty games at training over the next few weeks as players from 16-30 in the panel stake their claims

martyos121 · 23-08-2016 10:14AM

RobbieRuns wrote: »

If one your top players gets injured?

I can't imagine any of our country players getting rough treatment on the pitch from other clubs in Mayo when they have the chance to bring home our first AI title in 65 years. If they get injured from something innocuous, well the same could happen in training sure.

The GAA doesn't come to a screeching halt for four weeks between a semi final and the final. Every one of those lads know it and so do all the fans. If they get injured, they get injured, but Dublin and Kerry have club fixtures too and there's every chance the same could happen to them.

We've had a bit of luck this year, may it continue with the help of god.

corny · 23-08-2016 10:41AM

aidan24326 wrote: »

There's a strange inconsistency with Mayo at the moment. For 10-12 mins before half time they looked like a team that would beat anyone, but for 20 mins before and 20 after Mayo looked very ordinary and it took a soft and rather fortuitous goal to finally put the game to bed.

I think its easily explainable. For 20 minutes they sat back, didn't put pressure on the ball out the field, didn't commit numbers to the attack and looked to be defensively solid. Goal came and a bunch of experienced players saw the chance to go for the jugular. They pushed up the field on the Tipp kick out, lads started committing to the attack and as a result Tipp couldn't get out of their half. Watch the possession immediately after the goal and how much it differed from what went before. They had 10 men in the Tipp half (all of them moving) as O' Connor was shooting.

Rochford is being lauded in parts but i think they'll fair far worse against good teams sitting back trying to be defensively solid. What made Mayo formidable was their ridiculous intensity in attack and defence. Now seems like they're being told to sit back (Boyle, McLoughlin, Keegan), wait for the opposition and not commit numbers forward for fear of being short handed in defence. Just doesn't suit the strengths of the players.

yop · 23-08-2016 10:47AM

martyos121 wrote: »

I can't imagine any of our country players getting rough treatment on the pitch from other clubs in Mayo when they have the chance to bring home our first AI title in 65 years. If they get injured from something innocuous, well the same could happen in training sure.

The GAA doesn't come to a screeching halt for four weeks between a semi final and the final. Every one of those lads know it and so do all the fans. If they get injured, they get injured, but Dublin and Kerry have club fixtures too and there's every chance the same could happen to them.

We've had a bit of luck this year, may it continue with the help of god.

Quite the opposite, in my experience they were targeted and to win at all costs.

martyos121 · 23-08-2016 10:51AM

yop wrote: »

Quite the opposite, in my experience they were targeted and to win at all costs.

That's a real shame then, haven't been to enough clubs games between a semi and a final for us over the years so it's just something I assumed. Pisses me off to hear that tbh, I'm not even saying take it easy on them, just no dangerous tackling, they do need to be tested well before the biggest match of their lives but could do without the targeting.

Does this sort of thing happen all over the country do you know?

yop · 23-08-2016 11:25AM

martyos121 wrote: »

That's a real shame then, haven't been to enough clubs games between a semi and a final for us over the years so it's just something I assumed. Pisses me off to hear that tbh, I'm not even saying take it easy on them, just no dangerous tackling, they do need to be tested well before the biggest match of their lives but could do without the targeting.

Does this sort of thing happen all over the country do you know?

I came out of a game with 7 stitches in my leg as the opposition were told to target me, which they did. I was a Mayo minor at the time.
Also in senior games we were told to ensure X or Y were hit hard from the start, you'd have 2 or 3 lads who would be picked to "mark" him.
Personally and I could be wrong, I think that jealousy is part of it and the "Ill put u in your box" is another side of it.

Fingers crossed the lads get through, but its shocking they are been even put in this position.

Listening to the Tipp lads they have to play Championship games this Wednesday, the County boards wouldn't reschedule. Farcial.

km79 · 23-08-2016 11:26AM

yop wrote: »

Quite the opposite, in my experience they were targeted and to win at all costs.

Can absolutely confirm this
Jealousy a lot to do with it

charlie14 · 23-08-2016 11:36AM

martyos121 wrote: »

I can't imagine any of our country players getting rough treatment on the pitch from other clubs in Mayo when they have the chance to bring home our first AI title in 65 years. If they get injured from something innocuous, well the same could happen in training sure.

The GAA doesn't come to a screeching halt for four weeks between a semi final and the final. Every one of those lads know it and so do all the fans. If they get injured, they get injured, but Dublin and Kerry have club fixtures too and there's every chance the same could happen to them.

We've had a bit of luck this year, may it continue with the help of god.

If it was pointless league games perhaps, but this is club championship and no club manager worth his salt is going to tell his players to take it easy on county players.
The fact that they are good enough to play county will mean he will tell his lads to pay particular attention to them.

Coillte_Bhoy · 23-08-2016 11:40AM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Let the clubs play. There are more people involved in GAA in Mayo than the county squad. All Ireland or no All Ireland.

Normally i would agree with this but i just think in this insatnce it's te last throw oof the dice for this team and we have an advantage in the extra week's preparation that we should grab. Though if Rochford is happy to release the players then fair enough, a break from the intensity and game coming on top f game in the last 6 weeks might do them good.

Fr Tod Umptious · 23-08-2016 11:41AM

corny wrote: »

I think its easily explainable. For 20 minutes they sat back, didn't put pressure on the ball out the field, didn't commit numbers to the attack and looked to be defensively solid. Goal came and a bunch of experienced players saw the chance to go for the jugular. They pushed up the field on the Tipp kick out, lads started committing to the attack and as a result Tipp couldn't get out of their half. Watch the possession immediately after the goal and how much it differed from what went before. They had 10 men in the Tipp half (all of them moving) as O' Connor was shooting.

Rochford is being lauded in parts but i think they'll fair far worse against good teams sitting back trying to be defensively solid. What made Mayo formidable was their ridiculous intensity in attack and defence. Now seems like they're being told to sit back (Boyle, McLoughlin, Keegan), wait for the opposition and not commit numbers forward for fear of being short handed in defence. Just doesn't suit the strengths of the players.

But it has been pointed out time and time again since 2011 that Mayo have been far to open at the back, and the new manager wish list back last September included a "defensive minded, tactically aware" guy.

On the face of it this is what Rochford has delivered.

He deployed a sweeper, he changed the game plan for Tyrone, he stuck with the game plan for Tyrone, he used Barry Moran as a full back to negate Tipps high ball to the forwards.

Whether or not they can win the final is another thing, but you cannot ignore that Rochford ytried to address the biggest weakness Mayo have had.

Three goals conceded this campaign, Clarke has also helped this but I'd be curious to know how many goal chances they are giving up compared to previous years.

charlie14 · 23-08-2016 11:41AM

corny wrote: »

I think its easily explainable. For 20 minutes they sat back, didn't put pressure on the ball out the field, didn't commit numbers to the attack and looked to be defensively solid. Goal came and a bunch of experienced players saw the chance to go for the jugular. They pushed up the field on the Tipp kick out, lads started committing to the attack and as a result Tipp couldn't get out of their half. Watch the possession immediately after the goal and how much it differed from what went before. They had 10 men in the Tipp half (all of them moving) as O' Connor was shooting.

Rochford is being lauded in parts but i think they'll fair far worse against good teams sitting back trying to be defensively solid. What made Mayo formidable was their ridiculous intensity in attack and defence. Now seems like they're being told to sit back (Boyle, McLoughlin, Keegan), wait for the opposition and not commit numbers forward for fear of being short handed in defence. Just doesn't suit the strengths of the players.

Understandable imo in that he is new to the job plus the fact that conceding some silly soft goals have been the downfall of this team in recent years, although I do get your point that an over emphasise on defence against either Kerry or Dublin will be counterproductive.

Peist2007 · 23-08-2016 11:47AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Normally i would agree with this but i just think in this insatnce it's te last throw oof the dice for this team and we have an advantage in the extra week's preparation that we should grab. Though if Rochford is happy to release the players then fair enough, a break from the intensity and game coming on top f game in the last 6 weeks might do them good.

Disagree. Club players have been sitting around all summer training and waiting to play. Fair enough while qualifiers are on but now the clubs should be playing. Especially as we were in the first semi final.

km79 · 23-08-2016 12:51PM

Ger Caff "I don't think I've ever expressed an opinion on twitter before #mayogaa https://t.co/BVXfyWin8S"
Wants club games postponed

PARlance · 23-08-2016 12:59PM

yop wrote: »

I came out of a game with 7 stitches in my leg as the opposition were told to target me, which they did. I was a Mayo minor at the time.
Also in senior games we were told to ensure X or Y were hit hard from the start, you'd have 2 or 3 lads who would be picked to "mark" him.
Personally and I could be wrong, I think that jealousy is part of it and the "Ill put u in your box" is another side of it.

Fingers crossed the lads get through, but its shocking they are been even put in this position.

Listening to the Tipp lads they have to play Championship games this Wednesday, the County boards wouldn't reschedule. Farcial.

It's fairly sickening to see Minors getting targeted but I think Senior County players are well (way more) able to handle it. Minors are generally giving away a lot of strenght, build, experience etc and the hero that targets them usually isn't half as brave / reckless when he's going into a tackle with a county player.

I think the "targeting" off County players comes in the form of hitting hard and hitting often with the hope of getting a reaction. I don't think there's major malice involved.

I think the Club games should go ahead, those involved in the Club scene deserve the respect imo. Injury is always a concern but I would expect that training matches leading up to the final will be just as intense as Club games.

corny · 23-08-2016 01:05PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But it has been pointed out time and time again since 2011 that Mayo have been far to open at the back, and the new manager wish list back last September included a "defensive minded, tactically aware" guy.

On the face of it this is what Rochford has delivered.

He deployed a sweeper, he changed the game plan for Tyrone, he stuck with the game plan for Tyrone, he used Barry Moran as a full back to negate Tipps high ball to the forwards.

Whether or not they can win the final is another thing, but you cannot ignore that Rochford ytried to address the biggest weakness Mayo have had.

Three goals conceded this campaign, Clarke has also helped this but I'd be curious to know how many goal chances they are giving up compared to previous years.

No i'm not ignoring it at all. I'm saying just because he's addressing it, it doesn't necessarily make Mayo (overall) a stronger side. I'd argue what they've lost is a far greater negative. Case of cutting off the nose to spite the face.

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