sexual assault or apprentice prank?

Robsweezie · 23-08-2016 1:19am #1

https://www.facebook.com/LADbible/videos/2861158487264656/

lots of cries of sexual assault in the comments. id believe its just an ''initiation'', or a just a simple prank. yet the boss looks to be enjoying himself with the crotch rubbing...a bit much. couldve done without that.

is it a stretch to call it assault?

The Backwards Man · 23-08-2016 1:21am

Fcuking Lad fcuking bible!!

There should be a warning on any posts from that pish.

fatknacker · 23-08-2016 1:31am

Reminds me of the "Cartman Sucks" episode of Southpark, where he gets a picture of him with Butter's penis in his mouth.

a fat guy · 23-08-2016 1:34am

Well I'd sue for **** like that.

It's worth bearing in mind that we don't know if those guys are 100% straight or not, however.

Robsweezie · 23-08-2016 1:36am

a fat guy wrote:

Well I'd sue for **** like that.

What would you file it under?

TheChizler · 23-08-2016 1:36am

a fat guy wrote: »

Well I'd sue for **** like that.

It's worth bearing in mind that we don't know if those guys are 100% straight or not, however.

Would it matter?

Grayditch · 23-08-2016 1:44am

I like the bit when he found out it was his boss and they all found out the boss is probably into younger dudes.

drunkmonkey · 23-08-2016 1:51am

Robsweezie wrote: »

lots of cries of sexual assault in the comments.

They wouldn't know a pearl necklace from a bukkake if you splatterd them with it..

Dublinaccount · 23-08-2016 1:59am

well that was......

creepy.

I mean I consider myself a bit of a joker, and an experienced pervert too, and I know other guys and whats ok and whats not ok.

This just has a very weird, jimmy saville, smell to it.

Wouldn't be upset or angry or suing. Id just not be around that guy any more. He's got some suppressed sexuality stuff going on.

lertsnim · 23-08-2016 2:12am

Imagine if the employee was female. ****ing creep.

B.A._Baracus · 23-08-2016 3:20am

The guy who dressed up is clearly gay :pac:
The second he rubbed your man's balls and cock it instantly turned from 'having the craic' to a bloke touching up another under the guise of a laugh.

I wouldn't be screaming sexual assault tho. More like pushing him away when the blindfold went off. Then be watching him feckin' closely from there on out.

Guffy · 23-08-2016 3:56am

Why did he dress up? The kid has a blind fold on

Realt Dearg Sec · 23-08-2016 4:44am

a fat guy wrote: »

Well I'd sue for **** like that.

It's worth bearing in mind that we don't know if those guys are 100% straight or not, however.

I think we can say with a fair degree of certainty that the boss is not...

Your Face · 23-08-2016 6:47am

Well, that was weird.

23-08-2016 6:51am

There is also a hint of "ewwww, being touched by a gay" off some posts here.

Whether the dancing guy enjoys it or not or is himself gay or not is completely irrelevant. In a rape case, you would hardly expect an analysis of whether the rapist liked it, or his sexuality. It's the actions that are relevant.

It seems to be an assault alright. But whether the victim should take action is entirely up to him and whether he is affected by it. If he feels humiliated, of course he should. Not sure about suing or police, but would certainly read up the company's grievance procedure. If he can laugh it off, well then obviously that's the end of the matter.

Tombi! · 23-08-2016 7:18am

It's definitely sexual assault. But if it's considered that by the fella in the chair is another question.

razorblunt · 23-08-2016 8:03am

Saw this over the weekend, have to feel sorry for the young lad, sure he's laughing but surrounded by his (presumably) older "mates" you can't blame him for trying to laugh it off.

There's definitely inappropriate touching though, they definitely crossed the line with that and not in a "touched by a gay" way, nobody has the right to touch someone up like that.

Wibbs · 23-08-2016 8:14am

Deleted User wrote: »

There is also a hint of "ewwww, being touched by a gay" off some posts here.

Ehh…and why not? I'm straight, I do not want to be felt up by a gay man. I am quite sure a gay woman wouldn't want to be felt up by me. Dead right too. Non consensual sexual touching is wrong. Adding to that wrong for most people* would be non consensual sexual touching by a member of the gender they don't find sexually attractive.

*if they're being honest and/or aren't advertising their Right On values.

Samaris · 23-08-2016 8:15am

Meh, in a workplace there's a certain power dynamic and that sort of thing abuses it. By the way, there's nothing really sexual about all that, it's more a dominance/power thing, I reckon, so the sexuality of the participants is pretty irrelevant.

Wibbs wrote: »

Ehh…and why not? I'm straight, I do not want to be felt up by a gay man. I am quite sure a gay woman wouldn't want to be felt up by me. Dead right too. Non consensual sexual touching is wrong. Adding to that wrong for most people* would be non consensual sexual touching by a member of the gender they don't find sexually attractive.

*if they're being honest and/or aren't advertising their Right On values.

Edit: as a mostly straight woman, I would be less comfortable with a male touching me like that than a female as it happens, although I wouldn't exactly like either option. I don't know if most males would prefer a woman, even a sexually unattractive woman, doing something like that, but there may be other things feeding into it too - like the relative size of the person doing it increasing the "threat" etcetera, or if it is actually just that males are more subject to being alarmed by anything that smacks of homosexuality. I'm not calling you a homophobe by the way, Wibbs, but I tend to see more alarm from males than females regarding the general notion of homosexuality. Then again, how men and women tend to approach their own homosexual desires tends in broad strokes to be different too, so might be something in the overall stereotypes that's more unnerving to men. Lesbians have their own set of stereotypes, but, tbh, they tend to be more subtle/less noticeable. Hell, there's still people that don't think they exist!

So I do object a bit to that statement. That people take things differently isn't necessarily a sign that they're faking it to be PC. People just react differently.

failinis · 23-08-2016 8:16am

It is always down to the person to decide if they feel it was sexual assault and decided if they will report it to their workplace/police etc.

However any unwanted touching, especially on/near sexual organs is sexual assault.

Collie D · 23-08-2016 8:57am

Disturbing but not sure it would cross into sexual assault. Although that's the employee's decision to make.

Also..building site, long blonde hair, preference for pink. Are we certain Mick Wallace isn't doing nixers here?

Rosie Rant · 23-08-2016 9:22am

Ugh. That was uncomfortable to watch. And yeah, sexual assault.

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-08-2016 9:28am

Very mild induction I would have thought

Outlaw Pete · 23-08-2016 9:31am

Is there sound on it? I'm not hearing a damn thing anyway.

Pity it wasn't in the States, as he'd be looking at a nice some of cash if it was but here, not so much. Also, while he might have seen the joke at the time, now that his embarrassment has gone viral, he might not as much. Hard to know.

His only hope now is that his parents work for KPMG, as that's the only video I've ever known to disappear off the face of the Earth after going viral.

GBX · 23-08-2016 9:32am

Robsweezie wrote: »

What would you file it under?

TheChizler wrote: »

Would it matter?

Exactly .. Sexual assault in the workplace.

gufc21 wrote: »

Why did he dress up? The kid has a blind fold on

Obviously to fulfill a fantasy of his. As its been said - reeks of Jimmy Saville carry on.

Musketeer4 · 23-08-2016 9:33am

I'm actually amazed by the fact that so many people on here don't seem to consider it a sexual assault! I wonder would they be so flippant about it if it was a girl apprentice tied to a chair, blindfolded and molested by their boss under the guise of "having the craic"? No, there would be all out war, a media storm and an official investigation. But because its a fella ah sure its only banter.

In my opinion the "stripper" boss should dace stiff diciplinary action by his superior. Talk about unprofessional? Its down right deviant.

The young lad was foolish to put himself in that position.

FWIW I'm a straight guy and I would not ever agree to this type of nonsense. I would not want to be touched in that way by any randomer in that way, male, female or other.

23-08-2016 9:45am

Wibbs wrote: »

Ehh…and why not? I'm straight, I do not want to be felt up by a gay man. I am quite sure a gay woman wouldn't want to be felt up by me. Dead right too. Non consensual sexual touching is wrong. Adding to that wrong for most people* would be non consensual sexual touching by a member of the gender they don't find sexually attractive.

*if they're being honest and/or aren't advertising their Right On values.

Hands up, I have never, ever read about sexual abuse and pondered the sexuality of the abuser. It just doesn't strike me as being relevant to the matter at all. And that is actually my opinion, it has nothing to do with being "right on". If a man grabbed my crotch, his sexuality would have no relevance, I would not even consider asking about it tbh.

Wibbs · 23-08-2016 9:49am

Samaris wrote: »

Edit: as a mostly straight woman, I would be less comfortable with a male touching me like that than a female as it happens, although I wouldn't exactly like either option. I don't know if most males would prefer a woman, even a sexually unattractive woman, doing something like that, but there may be other things feeding into it too - like the relative size of the person doing it increasing the "threat" etcetera, or if it is actually just that males are more subject to being alarmed by anything that smacks of homosexuality. I'm not calling you a homophobe by the way, Wibbs, but I tend to see more alarm from males than females regarding the general notion of homosexuality. Then again, how men and women tend to approach their own homosexual desires tends in broad strokes to be different too, so might be something in the overall stereotypes that's more unnerving to men.

Or ***Newsflash*** there are broad general differences between the genders and their reactions. Provably so. In a number of experiments it has been shown that when people are exposed to sexual imagery they respond according to their stated sexual orientation. So straight men said they were aroused by erotica involving women and so on. Where the differences come in is how the genders responded on a physical level. When measured gay men became physically aroused by gay stuff, straight men by straight stuff. Women became subconsciously physically aroused across the board. Even monkeys getting it on caused a reaction. As for "levels of threat" I would suspect that's actually more at play for women, hence you would feel less comfortable with a man touching you. A oft repeated background thing is how women can feel more threat around men.

So I do object a bit to that statement. That people take things differently isn't necessarily a sign that they're faking it to be PC. People just react differently.

Object all you like, it's my opinion and you have yours. NB I did say most, not all. However I would tailor it more towards men in retrospect.

Robsweezie · 23-08-2016 11:12am

Musketeer4 wrote:

I'm actually amazed by the fact that so many people on here don't seem to consider it a sexual assault! I wonder would they be so flippant about it if it was a girl apprentice tied to a chair, blindfolded and molested by their boss under the guise of "having the craic"? No, there would be all out war, a media storm and an official investigation. But because its a fella ah sure its only banter.

Exactly. "it's only a lad sure he'll laugh it off"

Musketeer4 · 23-08-2016 11:23am

I was drunk on a night out in my home town and got talking to this english fella who was over for a family birthday. Anyway at the end of the night after the club I don't know how it happened but I remember being sitting in the passenger seat of his car in the carpark and he started getting weird asking me to show him my cock and stuff. He started getting touchy and told me to get in the back seat and he'd "fack me up the awwse". I got out of there like a bat out of hell and slept in my own car for the night. I was walking up the street next morning and bumped into him outside the hotel.
He started telling me that he was involved in the porn industry and offered me a job to come over to London and be in pornos. I was like yeah. Mega strange night.

Samaris · 23-08-2016 12:08pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Or ***Newsflash*** there are broad general differences between the genders and their reactions. Provably so. In a number of experiments it has been shown that when people are exposed to sexual imagery they respond according to their stated sexual orientation. So straight men said they were aroused by erotica involving women and so on. Where the differences come in is how the genders responded on a physical level. When measured gay men became physically aroused by gay stuff, straight men by straight stuff. Women became subconsciously physically aroused across the board. Even monkeys getting it on caused a reaction. As for "levels of threat" I would suspect that's actually more at play for women, hence you would feel less comfortable with a man touching you. A oft repeated background thing is how women can feel more threat around men.

Object all you like, it's my opinion and you have yours. NB I did say most, not all. However I would tailor it more towards men in retrospect.

Well, yeah, that was the point I was getting at in response to

Adding to that wrong for most people* would be non consensual sexual touching by a member of the gender they don't find sexually attractive.

*if they're being honest and/or aren't advertising their Right On values.

That may be an opinion, but it's a bit sweeping to suggest that most people (or most men) would have their main objection to the idea of it being homosexual and disagreeing with this automatically implies some PC nonsense. All I'm saying is that people react differently; I gave my anecdotal evidence in response to yours (from -a- female point of view, but I am sure other things play into my response than just gender*). Yours is -a- male perspective with your own personal influences on your response. This is all fair enough, but I am unconvinced that either of our reactions accounts for all or even most of the general reaction of "people" although most of us seem to be feeling that it was inappropriate and uncomfortable at the least, so there is common ground going.

Although I did also make the point that it -seems- to be more a male thing, your comment. This is just an impression though.

Interesting point on the male/female arousal responses.

*Intimidation and discomfort with people in my personal space, let alone touching me inappropriately is much higher up my own list for instance than the sexuality of the person.

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