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Homeless campaigner is a fraud. Mod Note #1835

  • 21-08-2016 07:49AM
    #1
    Alive1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Alive1


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/homeless-campaigner-refused-two-house-offers-34981951.html

    Despicable that this shinnerbot has forced her child to live in a hotel room just so she can promote her and SFs agenda.
    "Ms Fleming was offered a two-bedroom apartment in the upmarket Dublin suburb of Mount Prospect Avenue in Clontarf around the same time she was being filmed for an RTE documentary on the homeless crisis."
    "Ms Fleming has regularly spoken publicly about her plight, including delivering a speech at the most recent Sinn Fein Ard Fheis.

    She was also part of a Sinn Fein-led delegation which travelled to Brussels to address the EU commission on the homeless crisis."

    What a selfish Cnut!

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  • #2
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    Awkward!


  • #3
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    Could you not have waited till tomorrow morning with this thread, it been Monday then folks here be more in a bad mood and project there anger more aggressively. :-)


  • #4
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Alive1 wrote: »

    What a selfish Cnut!
    Big shock. Not. Let's face it when the most vocally "homeless" are living gratis on the public purse in hotels and moaning about it we've never had it so good and/or peak piss taking has been achieved.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #5
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    so she thought she deserved more than normal renters?
    You could be okay for 12 months but a landlord could turn around in 12 months and say 'actually we can get more rent off somebody else or we are selling the property'. Because there is no back up plan with Dublin City Council, you're living in a hotel again."

    Tenants in rental accommodation under the HAP scheme have the same legal entitlements as a private renter.

    I'm a big believer in social welfare but i always thought she'd a sense of entitlement with her demands to go to trinity on the taxpayers account.
    I'm all on for giving people a hand up but there comes a time when one needs to provide for oneself especially luxuries which I believe a trinity degree is (as it's certainly not essential to living successfully)

    This just shows she is a fraud.
    Cases like this just turn people off helping others cos you are always afraid of the scam , which is really sad .


  • #6
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    That's cause her ultimate goal is

    Gs1p23m.jpg

    Mod: Beware potential GoT spoiler.


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  • #7
    BaaLamb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭BaaLamb


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Big shock. Not. Let's face it when the most vocally "homeless" are living gratis on the public purse in hotels and moaning about it we've never had it so good and/or peak piss taking has been achieved.

    In fairness I don't think living in a hotel is the greatest of lifestyles especially if you're kicked out on the street during the day. However, from my perspective it is a damn sight better than sleeping on streets or in hostel. At least you're dry, warm and safe.


  • #8
    BaaLamb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭BaaLamb


    arayess wrote: »
    so she thought she deserved more than normal renters?



    I'm a big believer in social welfare but i always thought she'd a sense of entitlement with her demands to go to trinity on the taxpayers account.
    I'm all on for giving people a hand up but there comes a time when one needs to provide for oneself especially luxuries which I believe a trinity degree is (as it's certainly not essential to living successfully)

    This just shows she is a fraud.
    Cases like this just turn people off helping others cos you are always afraid of the scam , which is really sad .

    I won't pretend to understand how the HAP scheme works but reading Twitter it appears she is receiving a lot of support for her refusal. People talking about kids schools and the like and her right to a permanent home. I have to say I think she is doing great damage to those who are struggling with homelessness. Her behaviour just lends support to those who contend everyone on social welfare or struggling with homelessness is scamming the system.


  • #9
    onform
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭onform


    I hope those in the media, eg Ray D'Arcy who have given her a soapbox will have the same time to address the fact that she was offered 2 properties under the HAP scheme. I won't hold my breath though... Best case scenario she won't be given any more exposure.


  • #10
    BaaLamb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭BaaLamb


    There are questions around how the newspaper was allowed to see that DCC file on Erica Fleming. Surely there are issues with data protection?


  • #11
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    BaaLamb wrote: »
    I won't pretend to understand how the HAP scheme works but reading Twitter it appears she is receiving a lot of support for her refusal. People talking about kids schools and the like and her right to a permanent home. I have to say I think she is doing great damage to those who are struggling with homelessness. Her behaviour just lends support to those who contend everyone on social welfare or struggling with homelessness is scamming the system.

    she was offered a 12 month lease (all paid ) for in clontarf and refused it..
    12 month lease is a standard enough thing - she is getting private market norms for free... you would hope that with brains good enough for trinity that she would get herself sorted in 12 months , get a job to support herself going forward and out of the welfare net.
    But she doesn't want that...its' all "what can I get and for how long".. free rent for life she wants...there is no self improvement in her agenda only what she can get for free .

    so it stinks of wanting a free ride for life....


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  • #12
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Attention seeker also.


  • #13
    Mongfinder General
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    Unfortunately she is one of many who have refused rental properties more than once. Surely it's time for the rules to be changed to take what you're given or fcuk off.


  • #14
    BaaLamb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭BaaLamb


    arayess wrote: »
    she was offered a 12 month lease (all paid ) for in clontarf and refused it..
    12 month lease is a standard enough thing - she is getting private market norms for free... you would hope that with brains good enough for trinity that she would get herself sorted in 12 months , get a job to support herself going forward and out of the welfare net.
    But she doesn't want that...its' all what can I get and for how long.. free rent for life she wants...there is no self improvement in her agenda only what she can get for free .

    so it stinks of wanting a free ride for life....

    She apparently works part-time which is why she isn't eligible for the BTEA to attend the Trinity access programme course.


  • #15
    Carrie6OD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Carrie6OD


    This is very upsetting as there are many people who would have jumped at that opportunity. A very kind man on the radio offered her a two bed apartment and she was to give him whatever she could afford and she turned that down also as it wasn't in one of the 2 locations in Dublin that she wanted to live in. I'm from Dublin and would love to live where i grew up! Wouldn't we all?! i don't understand the sense of entitlement


  • #16
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This has got to be playing out like an episode of The Thick of It somewhere in SF HQ. Someone shouting "Jesus Christ, she turns her nose up at certain addresses and want to go to Trinners, I want whoever found this beaut dragged in"...


  • #17
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Big shock. Not. Let's face it when the most vocally "homeless" are living gratis on the public purse in hotels and moaning about it we've never had it so good and/or peak piss taking has been achieved.

    I would go with piss taking and political agenda here as there are genuine homeless people out there who would only love to be offered what ms greedy/political agenda has been offered.

    And unfortunally the likes of this carry on tarnish's the genuine cases especially in the public eye.


  • #18
    Mongfinder General
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    This has got to be playing out like an episode of The Thick of It somewhere in SF HQ. Someone shouting "Jesus Christ, she turns her nose up at certain addresses and want to go to Trinners, I want whoever found this beaut dragged in"...

    They ****ed up big style there. This is going to hurt families who really do need a home. She was the poster girl for the homeless and it was so obvious to see that she wasn't desperate. She had a car in that documentary. Why not sell the car and get yourself a deposit for a place within your means?


  • #19
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    BaaLamb wrote: »
    There are questions around how the newspaper was allowed to see that DCC file on Erica Fleming. Surely there are issues with data protection?

    Could they have applied under the freedom of information act?


  • #20
    digzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭digzy


    Good article by Ellis o Hanlon as part of that section from last Sunday's indo.
    Too lazy to link it!


  • #21
    kupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    A right to this this. A right to that. She has a right to go back to her family's home and live there.
    What's next a right to have a Rolex cos somebody else has one.


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  • #22
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    She said she wanted the next property she and daughter lived in "to be for life".

    Well that's nice, but back in the real world she'll have to bust a gut to save and secure her own place for that to pan out.


  • #23
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,495 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    arayess wrote: »
    she was offered a 12 month lease (all paid ) for in clontarf and refused it..
    12 month lease is a standard enough thing - she is getting private market norms for free... you would hope that with brains good enough for trinity that she would get herself sorted in 12 months , get a job to support herself going forward and out of the welfare net.
    But she doesn't want that...its' all "what can I get and for how long".. free rent for life she wants...there is no self improvement in her agenda only what she can get for free .

    so it stinks of wanting a free ride for life....

    After 6 months she gets part 4 tenancy and can stay 4 years without being asked to move


  • #24
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    She wants a 'place for life'?
    Dont we all, but most of us dumbos actually work hard to pay for it.


  • #25
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Well you can hardly be the poster girl for the accommodation crisis if you accept a home. Then you won't get invited to any more Add Fheises either.

    This woman just wants a profile. She's not in real need, she's a charlatan. And she's out to milk the system for all she can get.

    Pretty damn selfish though keeping her kid in a hotel when they could be living in Clontarf.


  • #26
    Mongfinder General
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    Winterlong wrote: »
    She wants a 'place for life'?
    Dont we all, but most of us dumbos actually work hard to pay for it.

    It appears that you can have a free hotel room for a good chunk of it anyway.


  • #27
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    Adds fuel to the us vs them mentality, selfish cow in every sense of the word.


  • #28
    Sound Bite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Sound Bite


    If the article is correct, it really shows what is wrong with society.


    While I sympathise with anyone who finds themselves homeless, if you are availing of a free house or a house with heavily subsidised rent, you should accept what you are being given.

    If you want to chose where you live, then work your ass off like the rest of us.

    Admirable that she's going to college with a view of bettering herself - perhaps she can be selective about the house she can afford when she finds a job post degree.

    Until then sacrifices have to be made.


  • #29
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    BaaLamb wrote: »
    I won't pretend to understand how the HAP scheme works but reading Twitter it appears she is receiving a lot of support for her refusal. People talking about kids schools and the like and her right to a permanent home. I have to say I think she is doing great damage to those who are struggling with homelessness. Her behaviour just lends support to those who contend everyone on social welfare or struggling with homelessness is scamming the system.

    Rent is market rate- and is paid directly to the landlord by the local authority/council. Tenant has an initial fixed term lease for 1 year, after 6 months of which, they acquire Part IV rights under the Residential Tenancies Act (the same as any other tenant).

    Their tenancy is identical and has identical conditions- to those governing any other tenancy- and may only be ended for certain reasons (listed in the Act- but which include antisocial behaviour, significant damage to the property, major renovations, the landlord requiring the property for him/herself or an immediate family member etc etc).

    The stated reason for refusing the 2 HAP offers- is the beneficiary wants 'a forever home'- i.e. they do not want to be a tenant- and subject to the provisions of the Act (like any other tenant).

    I didn't see the RTE documentary etc (I don't watch a lot of television)- and I haven't any background to the case- but from my exposure to these type cases (from moderating the accommodation and property forum)- there are a sizeable cohort of people who distinctly dislike the HAP scheme- as it means they are removed from local authority housing lists (the fact that these lists can and are in excess of 15 years long in some parts of the country seems to be irrelevant). The lure of a 'council house for life' is far more lucrative than a 1 year lease (with the rent fully paid- and with all the protections but also obligations of the Residential Tenancies Act) in a let property.

    Personally I think our housing policies are disasterous- and aren't going to get better anytime soon- without a massive increase in the construction of social housing (which should be let to anyone at all- not limited to social welfare tenants)- the current 'inclusion' policies- are a patent failure.

    Re: her offer of a place in Trinity- well done to her- I hope she studies something productive that furthers her in life.

    It would appear the HAP scheme is a victim of its own success- by giving people too many options- they may refuse an immediate option- in the expectation of being offered a more preferable option further down the road.

    The real victim in all of this- is the poor woman's daughter.


  • #30
    enricoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,945 ✭✭✭enricoh


    When it comes to the budget in two months time n there's no money for reducing people's usc it'll be comforting to know that the money went instead on the likes of this ones hotel.
    There was a report out yesterday that the council give mortgages to people who were refused by the banks. At seriously good rates compared to the banks. In some councils 70% of those mortgages weren't being paid back!
    I think whatever whingers get on Joe Duffy is how the government decides to spend our taxes


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  • #31
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    Rent is market rate- and is paid directly to the landlord by the local authority/council. Tenant has an initial fixed term lease for 1 year, after 6 months of which, they acquire Part IV rights under the Residential Tenancies Act (the same as any other tenant).

    Their tenancy is identical and has identical conditions- to those governing any other tenancy- and may only be ended for certain reasons (listed in the Act- but which include antisocial behaviour, significant damage to the property, major renovations, the landlord requiring the property for him/herself or an immediate family member etc etc).

    The stated reason for refusing the 2 HAP offers- is the beneficiary wants 'a forever home'- i.e. they do not want to be a tenant- and subject to the provisions of the Act (like any other tenant).

    I didn't see the RTE documentary etc (I don't watch a lot of television)- and I haven't any background to the case- but from my exposure to these type cases (from moderating the accommodation and property forum)- there are a sizeable cohort of people who distinctly dislike the HAP scheme- as it means they are removed from local authority housing lists (the fact that these lists can and are in excess of 15 years long in some parts of the country seems to be irrelevant). The lure of a 'council house for life' is far more lucrative than a 1 year lease (with the rent fully paid- and with all the protections but also obligations of the Residential Tenancies Act) in a let property.

    Personally I think our housing policies are disasterous- and aren't going to get better anytime soon- without a massive increase in the construction of social housing (which should be let to anyone at all- not limited to social welfare tenants)- the current 'inclusion' policies- are a patent failure.

    Re: her offer of a place in Trinity- well done to her- I hope she studies something productive that furthers her in life.

    It would appear the HAP scheme is a victim of its own success- by giving people too many options- they may refuse an immediate option- in the expectation of being offered a more preferable option further down the road.

    The real victim in all of this- is the poor woman's daughter.

    Thanks for that insight.its good to see how it operates.

    I've zero sympathy for this woman though, all she wants to do is abuse the system, she's saying she is homeless to gain sympathy but the reality is far from that.

    Similar to the "charity" sector, it's really time the "homeless" industry in Ireland is overhauled.

    Homeless to me is no where to live not no where to live(in an area I like, for life, subsidised by you idiots commuting from Cavan and so on)


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