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  • #1082
    [Deleted User]
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Yeah I'm getting a bit bored, sorry TME :(

    Gatlin is a cheat for me, I won't be swayed.

    He's a complete cheat. And he's running as fast as ever. But he's clean now though....

    People who cheat are f**king scumbags who ruin sport for EVERYONE and are shallow pathetic human beings. I despise cheaters.


  • #1083
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Not all failed tests are for PEDs though, is my point. WADA have different lists for different substances. They're all banned but they're not all PEDs.

    That would be fine if one of the bans was for a substance that is not a PED, but the first was for amphetamines and the second was for testosterone, blatantly obvious why he was taking them (and obvious why athletes in other American sports regularly pop on both of the same substances).

    I'm sorry but defending Gatlin is madness, the guy is a complete cheater and it's a blight on the sport to have him involved in the games at all. I've really disliked all the booing from the Brazilians but I have to say I enjoyed the booing for him before the 100m final, probably the only athlete there who deserved it.


  • #1084
    Buer
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    As for Buer (or IBF, I forget which), mentioning the dodgy testing records in east africa, I would have zero tolerance there too: bad testing, country banned en masse.

    There would be a good number aside from those nations. Kenya, Ethiopia, Morocco, Ukraine and Belarus were all named as in a critical state in terms of their doping this year. Jamaica too would have to be considered given the brutally poor and suspicious circumstances around their doping.

    Last year a WADA internal report was leaked to a German news source. It flew largely under the radar and concerned IAAF doping tests carried out between 2001 and 2012. The files detailed blood tests of up to 5,000 athletes.

    The most damning statistic which emerged was that a third of medals won in endurance events in either the World Championships or Olympics in that period (155 medals) were won by athletes who recorded suspicious test results. No athlete was stripped of their medal.

    Unsurprisingly, Russia was the most featured nation along with Kenya. But it shows just how dirty the sport is.


  • #1085
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    That would be fine if one of the bans was for a substance that is not a PED, but the first was for amphetamines and the second was for testosterone, blatantly obvious why he was taking them (and obvious why athletes in other American sports regularly pop on both of the same substances).

    I'm sorry but defending Gatlin is madness, the guy is a complete cheater and it's a blight on the sport to have him involved in the games at all. I've really disliked all the booing from the Brazilians but I have to say I enjoyed the booing for him before the 100m final, probably the only athlete there who deserved it.

    I'm not defending Gatlin, by the letter of the law he's failed two drug's tests and shouldn't still be competing.

    I'm just saying, generally speaking, people have a very black and white view of what it means when someone fails a drugs test.

    If Michael Phelps had been tested the day after those pictures of him with a bong had been taken he'd have failed a drug's test too. If someone went out partying and did a line of coke and the testers showed up the next day they'd fail a test. (And I'm not comparing those things to Gatlin's situation)

    Gatlin just seems like an easy target these days for the people who tune into athletics once every 4 years and need to be told by the commentators that Bolt is all that is right with the world and Gatlin is the devil in human form. That's not directed at anyone in here, by the way, just generally speaking. If people paid as much attention to these issues, media people included, 365 days a year instead of just booing a guy for 20 seconds maybe there'd be less of it going on.


  • #1086
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Yeah I'm getting a bit bored, sorry TME :(

    Gatlin is a cheat for me, I won't be swayed.

    I'm not trying to sway you on anything other than your misguided opinion that ADHD is restricted to children.


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  • #1087
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    I'm not defending Gatlin, by the letter of the law he's failed two drug's tests and shouldn't still be competing.

    I'm just saying, generally speaking, people have a very black and white view of what it means when someone fails a drugs test.

    If Michael Phelps had been tested the day after those pictures of him with a bong had been taken he'd have failed a drug's test too. If someone went out partying and did a line of coke and the testers showed up the next day they'd fail a test.

    Gatlin just seems like an easy target these days for the people who tune into athletics once every 4 years and need to be told by the commentators that Bolt is all that is right with the world and Gatlin is the devil in human form. That's not directed at anyone in here, by the way, just generally speaking. If people paid as much attention to these issues, media people included, 365 days a year instead of just booing a guy for 20 seconds maybe there'd be less of it going on.

    Actually weed isn't considered a performance enhancing drug and is not illegal under USADA rules during out-of-competition testing, so your Michael Phelps example is actually incorrect. Nick Diaz over in the MMA posted a quite amusing video the other day of him offering the stuff to a USADA tester when they turned up and found him drunk (very late at night) and asked for a test. Gatlin wasn't on weed, he was taking amphetamines which are a completely different type of drug.

    Gatlin is an easy target because he is a blatant cheat. That's the only reason. I'm also very skeptical of Bolt but I'll continue to respect him until he's been caught or admits to something.


  • #1088
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Actually weed isn't considered a performance enhancing drug and is not illegal under USADA rules during out-of-competition testing, so your Michael Phelps example is actually incorrect. Nick Diaz over in the MMA posted a quite amusing video the other day of him offering the stuff to a USADA tester when they turned up and found him drunk (very late at night) and asked for a test. Gatlin wasn't on weed, he was taking amphetamines which are a completely different type of drug.

    Gatlin is an easy target because he is a blatant cheat. That's the only reason.

    I didn't say it was performance enhancing. I said you'd fail a drugs test if you were using it. Marajuana is on WADA's list of prohibited substances, yes in competition only, so you're right, Phelps wouldn't have been in trouble there.

    Again you're missing my point. If you listen to the journalists who actually investigate this stuff there are plenty of active athletes cheating. The general public likes to have a pantomime villain they can boo at, and that's fine, but if you're (not you personally) going to make a big song and dance about Gatlin, or Efimova in the pool, then you need to do the same for all the other athletes. Look at BBC, constantly billing the 100m finals as BOLT v GATLIN, Usain is going to save our sport, he's a hero, we love him, and yet they won't even ask Mo Farrah why he associates with coaches who are known for their links to doping.

    Just to say it again, I am not defending Gatlin.


  • #1089
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    ANYWAY... to change the subject....

    It seems that Nikitin, who "beat" Conlan yesterday, is so badly busted up he can't fight his SF and the US boxer has been given a walkover for tomorrow's fight.


  • #1090
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,014 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    bilston wrote: »
    Maybe the solution is to just let the athletics take what they want. It's their bodies at the end of the day. Their problem if they destroy their bodies doing it.

    There's a couple of problems with that though. It means people who don't want to put their health at risk by taking unregulated medications are basically incapable of competing, and it also means that you'll have a race to the bottom of athletes basically sacrificing their health in order to win medals.

    I know I know. I wasn't being entirely serious for the reasons you state.


  • #1091
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    The UFC Press Conference ahead of the fight this weekend was just called off after McGregor turned up 30 minutes late and then his camp started shouting and jeering at Diaz while he was answering questions causing Diaz to flip out and leave (and then a childish situation where they're throwing bottles of water at each other). Embarrassing stuff from the Irish crowd as a whole I'd wager, but certainly adds to the drama ahead of the weekend.


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  • #1092
    Yeah_Right
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Actually weed isn't considered a performance enhancing drug and is not illegal under USADA rules during out-of-competition testing, so your Michael Phelps example is actually incorrect. Nick Diaz over in the MMA posted a quite amusing video the other day of him offering the stuff to a USADA tester when they turned up and found him drunk (very late at night) and asked for a test. Gatlin wasn't on weed, he was taking amphetamines which are a completely different type of drug.

    Gatlin is an easy target because he is a blatant cheat. That's the only reason. I'm also very skeptical of Bolt but I'll continue to respect him until he's been caught or admits to something.

    Weed is on FINA's banned list though so Phelps could have been suspended under that. I think it was Gary Hall Jr. who got suspended in the late 90s for weed. He was a US swimmer who won multiple golds at Atlanta and Sydney. I think Michael Klim actually called him a drug cheat. For weed :eek:


  • #1093
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Good crowd at the Dundalk match tonight. Price it well and they will come!


  • #1094
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Weed is on FINA's banned list though so Phelps could have been suspended under that. I think it was Gary Hall Jr. who got suspended in the late 90s for weed. He was a US swimmer who won multiple golds at Atlanta and Sydney. I think Michael Klim actually called him a drug cheat. For weed :eek:

    Do FINA ban athletes for substances taken out of competition? Some organisation only consider tests within certain time periods to be relevant unless they are more serious substances. Maybe FINA are more strict.


  • #1095
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Do FINA ban athletes for substances taken out of competition? Some organisation only consider tests within certain time periods to be relevant unless they are more serious substances. Maybe FINA are more strict.

    FINA are about as useful as a chocolate teapot so I wouldn't pay that much attention to what they do, or don't do.


  • #1096
    molloyjh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    The UFC Press Conference ahead of the fight this weekend was just called off after McGregor turned up 30 minutes late and then his camp started shouting and jeering at Diaz while he was answering questions causing Diaz to flip out and leave (and then a childish situation where they're throwing bottles of water at each other). Embarrassing stuff from the Irish crowd as a whole I'd wager, but certainly adds to the drama ahead of the weekend.

    And another sport I couldn't care less about.

    "Oh but they know how to entertain."

    "If by entertain you mean act like they're still pre-pubescent school kids then fair enough, to me they're just acting like twats."


  • #1097
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    molloyjh wrote: »
    And another sport I couldn't care less about.

    "Oh but they know how to entertain."

    "If by entertain you mean act like they're still pre-pubescent school kids then fair enough, to me they're just acting like twats."

    There's maybe 2 or 3 who act like that and unfortunately one of them is Irish, the rest of the sport is full of professionals, they just don't get reported on because they don't say anything controversial. What you're doing is a bit like forming an opinion of rugby based on Boudjelal, Wray and Craig (which some people actually do).

    If you want evidence of that watch the press conference for the half hour before McGregor and his band showed up unapologetically late and started jeering, Teixera and Johnson both showing how athletes should behave and treat each other.

    Unfortunately people would prefer to pay to see decent fighters who do fun press conferences than pay to see the top fighters who do boring press conferences. But Diaz and McGregor should produce an excellent fight at least to make up for it, and there are some other really interesting fights on Saturday night. However the vast majority of the fights in the sport are nothing like this, this is completely unrepresentative even if it'll probably be the biggest fight of the year.


  • #1098
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    It seems with a lot of these sports the more publicity you can generate the more money you make.

    I thought it was funny with Carl Frampton's recent fight there was none of that at all. He was even posing for pictures with Santa Cruz and his kids the day before.


  • #1099
    swiwi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    I'm not trying to sway you on anything other than your misguided opinion that ADHD is restricted to children.

    I never said that. I'm assuming either yourself or someone you know suffers from ADHD and you are inferring more than I'm implying.

    TBH I never wanted to stray into a medical debate on ADHD.

    But it's complete BS if you ask me in terms of Gatlin. Just like his risible excuse for testosterone (his vindictive masseuse rubbed testosterone cream into his buttocks from memory). Please just spare us Justin, it's totally lame.

    Changing subject and NZ failed miserably vs GB in the hockey. Even Richie's missus couldn't help.

    Hoping Argentina can dispose of the US in the basketball but they've totally blown an early lead. Australia look good for a silver I reckon, they pushed the US hard in pool play and crushed Lithuania in the 1/4s.


  • #1100
    Buer
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    Here's a good one from 2012 for an example how bad the corruption within amateur boxing can be. Azerbaijan reportedly paid millions to AIBA to guarantee them medals in London. This makes the Conlon fight look like a very tight affair.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLt4eaMbcaw


  • #1101
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Found some video on Youtube of Ireland's last Olympic sprint medal on the track. Bob Tisdall in LA 1936.

    "Who the hell is this coming up here now?" might be the best commentary I've ever heard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXThelDQebs


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  • #1102
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Has anyone been to this? http://epicirelandchq.com/


  • #1103
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    That's slightly disappointing in the hurdles final. 4th by .05 of a second.


  • #1104
    [Deleted User]
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    That's slightly disappointing in the hurdles final. 4th by .05 of a second.

    Ah it's a shame. He just gave himself too much to do in the home stretch.

    First sprint finalist in over 80 years and he comes 4th isn't anything to be sniffed at


  • #1105
    Clearlier
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    That's slightly disappointing in the hurdles final. 4th by .05 of a second.

    A massive PB in an Olympic final with 2 previous rounds. He can be disappointed with 4th but not that performance. It was an outstanding run.


  • #1106
    thomond2006
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    The fact you can be disqualified from just one false start is very harsh IMO. The Puerto Rican runner was in bits.


  • #1107
    Teferi
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    He's only 24, plenty of time for him to get a medal in Tokyo. He hasn't peaked yet. Some performance though, he should be delighted with his PB's.


  • #1108
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/766291918217240577


  • #1109
    Buer
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    The fact you can be disqualified from just one false start is very harsh IMO. The Puerto Rican runner was in bits.

    He was one of the favourites. His PB would have won gold and, at 32, he won't be back. No wonder he was devastated.


  • #1110
    Teferi
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/766291918217240577

    Which one is the cheat?

    MacKenna is going mad for calling out cheats this olympics, he'll wind up with a horse head in his bed if he isn't careful.


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  • #1111
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Teferi wrote: »
    Which one is the cheat?

    MacKenna is going mad for calling out cheats this olympics, he'll wind up with a horse head in his bed if he isn't careful.

    No idea, I Googled all 3 of them but can't find anything. You've got an American, a Kenyan and a Cuban running for Turkey, so take your pick.

    MacKenna RT'd a joke the other day about him questioning how the wind at the sailing can go from 6 knots to 30 in a few seconds. :D


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