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FAE 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 daisy chain


    I think the E. coli provision yesterday were two separate indicators- audit and FR?

    So one audit yesterday and one audit today

    Three finance of covenants is finance

    2 MA, 2 tax

    BL- 3: ethics, corporate governance, SWOT

    FR- IAS 17, IAS 20, IFRS 2 and IAS 37 so five indicators with the AAFRP?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Rusty91


    I think the E. coli provision yesterday were two separate indicators- audit and FR?

    So one audit yesterday and one audit today

    Three finance of covenants is finance

    2 MA, 2 tax

    BL- 3: ethics, corporate governance, SWOT

    FR- IAS 17, IAS 20, IFRS 2 and IAS 37 so five indicators with the AAFRP?

    Could be just 4 FR and a higher weighting for BL?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 15YemenRoad


    I think the E. coli provision yesterday were two separate indicators- audit and FR?

    So one audit yesterday and one audit today

    Three finance of covenants is finance

    2 MA, 2 tax

    BL- 3: ethics, corporate governance, SWOT

    FR- IAS 17, IAS 20, IFRS 2 and IAS 37 so five indicators with the AAFRP?

    Yeah it's really hard to tell.
    I don't think there could have two indicators with the E.Coli thing.
    I think FR was AAFRP, Ethics/Conceptual Framework, IFRS 2, and then the two today.
    BL - SWOT, Outsourcing, Governance.

    I used Hodgson's for the accrual ethics but thinking about it there's not really an "ethical dilemma" and it violates accruals concept in conceptual framework. Think they were looking for more stuff on Chartered accountants ethics and duties etc. Writing this one off but hoping rest of FR was ok.

    I know people say there's no point in mapping them and just answer the question but it kinda does matter if you're using frameworks etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 Bk158


    In sim 1 did anyone mention ethical considerations re ES 4 and ES 5 - to ensure that fees are less than 10-15% of EAs total income? Not sure if it was a hidden indicator.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 galwaygent


    I found there to be 4 - FR 4 - BL 3 FIN and 2 in AA MA TAX.

    Breakdown was:

    FR:
    1. AAFRP
    2. Operating Lease (5 year lease on building would not suggest finance lease)
    3. IFRS 2
    4. Grant

    BL:
    1. Ethics (as was clearly an ethical issue - He has a "plan" to not post an expense, which by doing so will "help them meet their covenant").
    2. Corporate Governance
    3. Business plan
    4. Outsourcing payroll

    Finance:
    1. Covenant ratios
    2. Interest swap
    3. NPV

    Tax:
    1. Cash extraction/ Retirement planning
    2. CT Comp and capital allowances

    Audit:
    1. Legal claim with correcting journal
    2. Controls over revenue/receivables and ethics

    Management:
    1. Bonus payment - how to set bonus
    2. Staff performance - BSC

    Anybody else seeing the same?

    Found it strange that management accounting had 2 performance measurement indicators.
    Shocked with 3 finance but all fair.
    Not a fan of tax today, however yesterday was vague enough I'd imagine so RC should be achievable.
    Audit seemed fair - ISA 501 has a section for litigation as well as inventory. Anybody else use this?
    BL was strange. Hoping I got enough on ethics and corp gov or outsourcing. Didn't like business plan.
    FR seemed challenging but at the end of the day cant complain with no consolidation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,324 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    TG860 wrote: »
    Agreed. I didn't see anything that would indicate a finance lease.
    I think the trick to that question was how you treated the rent free period.
    There's a little standard in the standards book called SIC 15 which explains how to approach that and I'd say is where they got the idea from.
    I took the the total payments of the lease (so 80% of the 2014 rent x 4 years) and divided that by 5 years to get the annual cost to recognise.
    Then proposed a journal to recognise 6 months of that for 2015 as it started in July.

    Agree with others that it's been quite hard to judge which subjects some of the indicators are falling under.
    It does feel like the 2 days were quite finance heavy.

    this is what i did but but never apportioned 6 months to the current period - I did 12 :(. Hopefully enough for a C.

    Would have skewed my CT comp as well, but done think they would hold that against me a 2nd time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 GusFring


    galwaygent wrote: »
    I found there to be 4 - FR 4 - BL 3 FIN and 2 in AA MA TAX.

    Breakdown was:

    FR:
    1. AAFRP
    2. Operating Lease (5 year lease on building would not suggest finance lease)
    3. IFRS 2
    4. Grant

    BL:
    1. Ethics (as was clearly an ethical issue - He has a "plan" to not post an expense, which by doing so will "help them meet their covenant").
    2. Corporate Governance
    3. Business plan
    4. Outsourcing payroll

    Finance:
    1. Covenant ratios
    2. Interest swap
    3. NPV

    Tax:
    1. Cash extraction/ Retirement planning
    2. CT Comp and capital allowances

    Audit:
    1. Legal claim with correcting journal
    2. Controls over revenue/receivables and ethics

    Management:
    1. Bonus payment - how to set bonus
    2. Staff performance - BSC

    Anybody else seeing the same?

    Found it strange that management accounting had 2 performance measurement indicators.
    Shocked with 3 finance but all fair.
    Not a fan of tax today, however yesterday was vague enough I'd imagine so RC should be achievable.
    Audit seemed fair - ISA 501 has a section for litigation as well as inventory. Anybody else use this?
    BL was strange. Hoping I got enough on ethics and corp gov or outsourcing. Didn't like business plan.
    FR seemed challenging but at the end of the day cant complain with no consolidation.

    I agree 100% with your mapping of the indicators!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 Guin92


    this is what i did but but never apportioned 6 months to the current period - I did 12 :(. Hopefully enough for a C.

    Would have skewed my CT comp as well, but done think they would hold that against me a 2nd time.

    CA seem to be quite clear that students shouldn't be penalised twice. In fact youll proably gain credit for linking the indicators.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 Btw120


    Completely forgot about the 25% markup line in the Npv calculation and therefore my Npv ended up a lot higher than what it should have been (in that I only included the revenue figure each year and not the cost of materials etc) ......would this put me into NC?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 davidblake


    Just wondering did anyone think that as the accounts were IFRS the general bad debt provision should have bee removed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Rusty91


    does anyone know what you'd have to do to get an RC with the tax comp?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭superb choice of username


    davidblake wrote: »
    Just wondering did anyone think that as the accounts were IFRS the general bad debt provision should have bee removed

    Yes I did journal to reverse provision, was nice little hidden 'nugget' to hopefully make up for some other mistake


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭superb choice of username


    Rusty91 wrote: »
    does anyone know what you'd have to do to get an RC with the tax comp?

    No noone does, the grading isn't decided on until after they have reviewed scripts to make sure enough pass. If everyone did great, then the bar gets higher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Uncle Mclovin


    galwaygent wrote: »
    I found there to be 4 - FR 4 - BL 3 FIN and 2 in AA MA TAX.

    Breakdown was:

    FR:
    1. AAFRP
    2. Operating Lease (5 year lease on building would not suggest finance lease)
    3. IFRS 2
    4. Grant

    BL:
    1. Ethics (as was clearly an ethical issue - He has a "plan" to not post an expense, which by doing so will "help them meet their covenant").
    2. Corporate Governance
    3. Business plan
    4. Outsourcing payroll

    Finance:
    1. Covenant ratios
    2. Interest swap
    3. NPV

    Tax:
    1. Cash extraction/ Retirement planning
    2. CT Comp and capital allowances

    Audit:
    1. Legal claim with correcting journal
    2. Controls over revenue/receivables and ethics

    Management:
    1. Bonus payment - how to set bonus
    2. Staff performance - BSC

    Anybody else seeing the same?

    Found it strange that management accounting had 2 performance measurement indicators.
    Shocked with 3 finance but all fair.
    Not a fan of tax today, however yesterday was vague enough I'd imagine so RC should be achievable.
    Audit seemed fair - ISA 501 has a section for litigation as well as inventory. Anybody else use this?
    BL was strange. Hoping I got enough on ethics and corp gov or outsourcing. Didn't like business plan.
    FR seemed challenging but at the end of the day cant complain with no consolidation.

    The two management accounting indicators were a pile of bollox. Hopefully I scrape a BC in of them.

    Other than that I thought the two papers were fair enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 ALDon88


    Yes I did journal to reverse provision, was nice little hidden 'nugget' to hopefully make up for some other mistake

    Ahhhh, totally didn't get that !! Good spot!! I wonder how much that will cost me , I have an Rc coming from the aafrp cannot afford to mess up FR!!

    Nearly there folks woo!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 trooperdx3117


    No noone does, the grading isn't decided on until after they have reviewed scripts to make sure enough pass. If everyone did great, then the bar gets higher

    Ugh that's so aggravating, its almost pot luck more than actual knowledge that helps you pass an exam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 Guin92


    Anyone know how many indicators tomorrow for audit. I heard it was 9 (10 in total). Thought it was a bit much for 2 cases?? And we have a get BC overall to pass ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 davidblake


    Guin92 wrote: »
    Anyone know how many indicators tomorrow for audit. I heard it was 9 (10 in total). Thought it was a bit much for 2 cases?? And we have a get BC overall to pass ?


    We were told 4 indicators in each case so 8 tomorrow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭superb choice of username


    You heard it from where? Per the FAE marking and adjudication document, it can be between 7 and 9 indicators.

    It makes life easier when it is split 4 indicators per sim, but there surely can not be any guarantee of how many? It's not like many people have seen the paper?

    Edit:
    And yes Guin, overall BC (or easier to think of as an overall mark of 50%)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 Guin92


    You heard it from where? Per the FAE marking and adjudication document, it can be between 7 and 9 indicators.

    It makes life easier when it is split 4 indicators per sim, but there surely can not be any guarantee of how many? It's not like many people have seen the paper?

    Edit:
    And yes Guin, overall BC (or easier to think of as an overall mark of 50%)

    I heard it from a unreliable source so had my doubts about it. 4 each seems more logical.

    Thanks for the confirmation


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 davidblake


    You heard it from where? Per the FAE marking and adjudication document, it can be between 7 and 9 indicators.

    It makes life easier when it is split 4 indicators per sim, but there surely can not be any guarantee of how many? It's not like many people have seen the paper?

    Edit:
    And yes Guin, overall BC (or easier to think of as an overall mark of 50%)


    From the lecturer Sinead after the mock review


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Squareball2010


    davidblake wrote: »
    From the lecturer Sinead after the mock review

    Yeah 8 is what's expected - 4 in each sim coming away from the mock review, given they had feedback from the examiners. Be surprised if it's anything different...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 jkiamasnake


    In Audit - for company law - what kind of things could we be asked? do we reference 2012 or 2014?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 ACA2015


    In Audit - for company law - what kind of things could we be asked? do we reference 2012 or 2014?

    The Companies Ac 2014. If you are seeing text with 2012 mentioned it's out of date. It used to be the Companies Act 1963-X but the 2014 Act cleared that up. Some of the audit things of note from the 2014 Act are here https://www.pwc.ie/media-centre/assets/publications/articles/2015/2015_pwc_ireland_companies_act_2014_and_implications_for_financial_reporting.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 Kristina F


    See for the outsourcing payroll indicator..did anyone just talk about outsourcing payroll or did you do the general outsourcing too? I thought it would be the same so I didn't put them separately at all..I just applied it to payroll..wat did everyone do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 valowilliams


    Kristina F wrote: »
    See for the outsourcing payroll indicator..did anyone just talk about outsourcing payroll or did you do the general outsourcing too? I thought it would be the same so I didn't put them separately at all..I just applied it to payroll..wat did everyone do?

    I applied mainly to payroll as I thought the points are the same, but said that you shouldn't outsource your core activities


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 HereFor


    I applied mainly to payroll as I thought the points are the same, but said that you shouldn't outsource your core activities

    I did general pros/cons then a separate list specific to the company. Recommended that they outsource it as not core competency of the company.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭giftgrub1991


    Same,but completely forgot to make the recommendation so that's me screwed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 457 ✭✭Obrieski


    HereFor wrote: »
    I did general pros/cons then a separate list specific to the company. Recommended that they outsource it as not core competency of the company.

    Went along the same lines myself. Then ended up saying your one wants to go from a 5 day week to a 3 day week, hardly enough in itself for a whole outsourcing job remembering they were a small company. Seemed excessive considering that I felt. Hate these wishy washy indicators where it can go so many ways!

    Oh well, roll on tomorrow!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 ACA2015


    Obrieski wrote: »
    Went along the same lines myself. Then ended up saying your one wants to go from a 5 day week to a 3 day week, hardly enough in itself for a whole outsourcing job remembering they were a small company. Seemed excessive considering that I felt. Hate these wishy washy indicators where it can go so many ways!

    Oh well, roll on tomorrow!

    Important thing to remember is that you can make different recommendations and still come out with C! It's just your opinion and there is no where near enough information provided to make it definitive, or at least somewhat obvious which way they should go (there was an outsourcing case in the integrated study pack which gave you figures on what it would cost, for example). That explanation is as reasonable as any. Some really good pros and cons I imagine could get someone a C anyway, depending on the overall standard.


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