Being racist is illegal in Britain

Arcade_Tryer · 11-08-2016 07:44PM #1

http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/chelmsford-judge-tells-nazi-in-court-you-re-a-c-t/story-29606353-detail/story.html

Amazing that this is the same country that produced Orwell and Milton. Or maybe not so surprising.

Another case of liberal apologists believing their own personal beliefs take precedence over the ideas of enlightenment and basic human rights.

And before anyone says it, no I don't support what the guy said to the woman. Just his right to say it without being sent to prison by the state for doing so.

This story came to my attention due to the Guardian and its followers having a great laugh at the judge's comments. More liberal apologists who are completely oblivious to the fundamental idea of free speech and its protection which any modern society should be built upon.

Surely I'm not the only person astounded that this can happen in a country like Britain in the 21st century?

smash · 11-08-2016 07:45PM

The right to free speech is the right to be an asshole.

11-08-2016 07:45PM

You gonna tell us what happened or do we have to click the link ourselves? Thing is, we're mostly lazy Millenials.

The_Valeyard · 11-08-2016 07:46PM

Omackeral wrote: »

You gonna tell us what happened or do we have to click the link ourselves? Thing is, we're mostly lazy Millenials.

Aliens arrived and use mind control drugs through internet signals and tv transmissions to control us.

BoJack Horseman · 11-08-2016 07:48PM

Reminds me of the Spectator podcast I heard last week regarding the totally ambiguous nature of new UK hate crime law....

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/spectator-podcast-real-hate-crime-scandal/

The emotion is in essence a crime.

Love that Essex judge though....if not exactly appropriate.

Renegade Mechanic · 11-08-2016 07:51PM

smash wrote: »

The right to free speech is the right to be an asshole.

And so ****ing help me I'll use that right come hell or high water, to my last breath. I will actually use my last breaths to say something politically incorrect, just so I can literally die laughing.

Calahonda52 · 11-08-2016 07:53PM

interesting detail:

Prosecutor Lynne Shirley told Chelmsford Crown Court that Tanisha Ford, a black Caribbean woman and her two children, aged eight and six and also black Caribbean, were in Market Square, Harlow.

Is Caribbean important here:)

Pro Hoc Vice · 11-08-2016 07:57PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/chelmsford-judge-tells-nazi-in-court-you-re-a-c-t/story-29606353-detail/story.html

Amazing that this is the same country that produced Orwell and Milton. Or maybe not so surprising.

Another case of liberal apologists believing their own personal beliefs take precedence over the ideas of enlightenment and basic human rights.

And before anyone says it, no I don't support what the guy said to the woman. Just his right to say it without being sent to prison by the state for doing so.

This story came to my attention due to the Guardian and its followers having a great laugh at the judge's comments. More liberal apologists who are completely oblivious to the fundamental idea of free speech and its protection which any modern society should be built upon.

Surely I'm not the only person astounded that this can happen in a country like Britain in the 21st century?

He was jailed for breach of an anti social behaviour order.

smash · 11-08-2016 07:59PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

And so ****ing help me I'll use that right come hell or high water, to my last breath. I will actually use my last breaths to say something politically incorrect, just so I can literally die laughing.

Did you click the link? In my opinion it's ok to be not pc in a satirical manner, it's not ok to be a belligerent nazi and attack people.

Arcade_Tryer · 11-08-2016 07:59PM

Omackeral wrote: »

You gonna tell us what happened or do we have to click the link ourselves? Thing is, we're mostly lazy Millenials.

Prosecutor Lynne Shirley told Chelmsford Crown Court that Tanisha Ford, a black Caribbean woman and her two children, aged eight and six and also black Caribbean, were in Market Square, Harlow.

She had recently moved to the town and was looking for a shop.

"She noticed the defendant waving at her. She approached him and he asked her if she was looking for a toilet. She said no, looking for Slimming World. He gave her directions. It seemed a normal conversation and she walked off but as she did Hennigan said 'I don't agree with inter-racial relationships. I like natural'.

"She was shocked and surprised and asked what he meant. He said 'I prefer white children'. She was shocked further.

"She said her children were natural and he said 'I'm just saying'," said the prosecutor.

"The incident made her feel very upset, hurt, out of place and distressed. It's not the first time she's been racially abused and it brought back unpleasant memories," said Miss Shirley. "She was alarmed her children had to listen to the comments."

Ms Ford decided to call police. Hennigan was identified and while he was in custody officers found comments he made "very unpleasant," the court heard.

An Orwellian nightmare is the only way I can describe instances such as this.

How can a judge, other legal professionals, and thousands of people commenting on the Guardian (ok this bit I can understand) be so f**king stupid?

osarusan · 11-08-2016 08:02PM

I don't want to live in a world where we can't call black people coons and nigg*rs.

No, wait...I do.

Pro Hoc Vice · 11-08-2016 08:02PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Prosecutor Lynne Shirley told Chelmsford Crown Court that Tanisha Ford, a black Caribbean woman and her two children, aged eight and six and also black Caribbean, were in Market Square, Harlow.

She had recently moved to the town and was looking for a shop.

"She noticed the defendant waving at her. She approached him and he asked her if she was looking for a toilet. She said no, looking for Slimming World. He gave her directions. It seemed a normal conversation and she walked off but as she did Hennigan said 'I don't agree with inter-racial relationships. I like natural'.

"She was shocked and surprised and asked what he meant. He said 'I prefer white children'. She was shocked further.

"She said her children were natural and he said 'I'm just saying'," said the prosecutor.

"The incident made her feel very upset, hurt, out of place and distressed. It's not the first time she's been racially abused and it brought back unpleasant memories," said Miss Shirley. "She was alarmed her children had to listen to the comments."

Ms Ford decided to call police. Hennigan was identified and while he was in custody officers found comments he made "very unpleasant," the court heard.

An Orwellian nightmare is the only way I can describe instances such as this.

How can a judge, other legal professionals, and thousands of people commenting on the Guardian (ok this bit I can understand) be so f**king stupid?

Snap!

Arcade_Tryer · 11-08-2016 08:02PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

He was jailed for breach of an anti social behaviour order.

Part of the order was not to use racist or offensive language.

I'm sorry but that only serves to make the story sound worse. Draconian.

arayess · 11-08-2016 08:06PM

osarusan wrote: »

I don't want to live in a world where we can't call black people coons and nigg*rs.

No, wait...I do.

make up your fcuking mind

Nervous Wreck · 11-08-2016 08:06PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

And so ****ing help me I'll use that right come hell or high water, to my last breath. I will actually use my last breaths to say something politically incorrect, just so I can literally die laughing.

Teach us how to be as rebellious as you, Renegade Mechanic.

Pro Hoc Vice · 11-08-2016 08:06PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Part of the order was not to use racist or offensive language.

I'm sorry but that only serves to make the story sound worse. Draconian.

It fine to say what ever you want if you put someone in fear you have moved into another area. If you have a right to free speech I have a right not to have to listen to what I find offensive that puts me in fear in a public place. Or would you think it's ok for me to follow you around a public street throwing insults at you in a way that put you in fear? Or for that matter to do it to an elderly relative.

smash · 11-08-2016 08:07PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Part of the order was not to use racist or offensive language.

I'm sorry but that only serves to make the story sound worse. Draconian.

Do you think it was harsh? Here's what happened in court..

John Hennigan, 50, facing sentence for his NINTH breach of an Anti Social Behaviour Order in 11 years began his tirade from the dock at Chelmsford Crown Court by telling Judge Patricia Lynch QC she was "a bit of a c**t".

She retorted: "You are a bit of a c**t yourself. Being offensive to me doesn't help."

Hennigan shouted back: "Go f**k yourself."

"You too," replied the judge.

Hennigan then banged on the glass panel of the dock, performed a Nazi salute and twice shouted "Sieg Heil" before starting to sing "Jews gas them all".

The guy is scum!

Ted111 · 11-08-2016 08:08PM

As far as I'm concerned OP I disapprove of your right to say it, but I will defend to the death what you say.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-08-2016 08:12PM

Calahonda52 wrote:

Prosecutor Lynne Shirley told Chelmsford Crown Court that Tanisha Ford, a black Caribbean woman and her two children, aged eight and six and also black Caribbean, were in Market Square, Harlow.

Is Caribbean important here

Why would it not be important to describe her race in a case about racism? Should they just say she was 'other than proper white British'?

Joey Jo-Jo Junior · 11-08-2016 08:13PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

And so ****ing help me I'll use that right come hell or high water, to my last breath. I will actually use my last breaths to say something politically incorrect, just so I can literally die laughing.

You're so cool and edgy.

Renegade Mechanic · 11-08-2016 08:14PM

smash wrote: »

Did you click the link? In my opinion it's ok to be not pc in a satirical manner, it's not ok to be a belligerent nazi and attack people.

In fairness, I actually didn't. I just assumed someone got jailed over calling someone a Pikey or something it's gone so ridiculous

Yeah, the less of him there is, the better..

Arcade_Tryer · 11-08-2016 08:15PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

It fine to say what ever you want if you put someone in fear you have moved into another area. If you have a right to free speech I have a right not to have to listen to what I find offensive that puts me in fear in a public place. Or would you think it's ok for me to follow you around a public street throwing insults at you in a way that put you in fear? Or for that matter to do it to an elderly relative.

Where does it mention that he followed her around in public and hence harassed her? If he did, then of course it is different. But nowhere in the article does it suggest that, nor do the comments by the judge and the reason given for the sentencing suggest so either.

smash wrote: »

The guy is scum!

I don't care if he is Hitler himself. Or Oscar Schindler reincarnated. Stop focusing on him like those Guardian idiots. And focus on the offense.

Renegade Mechanic · 11-08-2016 08:16PM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Teach us how to be as rebellious as you, Renegade Mechanic.

Welp, I start my mornings spraying deodorant fourteen centimetres from my armpits.
Oh yeah.. :cool:

Smondie · 11-08-2016 08:18PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

smash wrote: »

Did you click the link? In my opinion it's ok to be not pc in a satirical manner, it's not ok to be a belligerent nazi and attack people.

In fairness, I actually didn't. I just assumed someone got jailed over calling someone a Pikey or something it's gone so ridiculous

Yeah, the less of him there is, the better..

Is pickey not a racial slur too?

Take 'em a ways boys

smash · 11-08-2016 08:19PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

I don't care if he is Hitler himself. Or Oscar Schindler reincarnated. Stop focusing on him like those Guardian idiots. And focus on the offense.

You should care. It's a major consideration.

smash · 11-08-2016 08:19PM

Smondie wrote: »

Is pickey not a racial slur too?

Travellers aren't a race.

They're a different species. :pac:

Pro Hoc Vice · 11-08-2016 08:19PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Where does it mention that he followed her around in public and hence harassed her? If he did, then of course it is different. But nowhere in the article does it suggest that, nor do the comments by the judge and the reason given for the sentencing suggest so either.

I don't care if he is Hitler himself. Or Oscar Schindler reincarnated. Stop focusing on him like those Guardian idiots. And focus on the offense.

He has form for doing this and according to her evidence he put her in fear. How would you feel about a relative of yours being put in fear in public by a serial offender.

lazybones32 · 11-08-2016 08:22PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why would it not be important to describe her race in a case about racism? Should they just say she was 'other than proper white British'?

I don't think she is British....it says she's Caribbean. And the man's racist act toward her? - 'I don't agree with inter-racial relationships. I like natural'.

"She was shocked and surprised and asked what he meant. He said 'I prefer white children'. She was shocked further.

"She said her children were natural and he said 'I'm just saying'," said the prosecutor.

"The incident made her feel very upset, hurt, out of place and distressed."

Rough Sleeper · 11-08-2016 08:22PM

This is like saying that it's illegal to leave your house after 9 because someone, somewhere, is under curfew. The dude had an ASBO, and these are, as Wiki states, "designed to correct minor incidents that would not ordinarily warrant criminal prosecution." If you'd read the full article and did ten seconds of half-arsed Googling, you'd know this. But you didn't, because you'd rather go off on one and get that warm fuzzy feeling that only the sense of being oppressed - if just by proxy - can bring.

smash · 11-08-2016 08:26PM

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

This is like saying that it's illegal to leave your house after 9 because someone, somewhere, is under curfew. The dude had an ASBO, and these are, as Wiki states, "designed to correct minor incidents that would not ordinarily warrant criminal prosecution." If you'd read the full article and did ten seconds of half-arsed Googling, you'd know this. But you didn't, because you'd rather go off on one and get that warm fuzzy feeling that only the sense of being oppressed - if just by proxy - can bring.

He has been locked up before for breaching it. Among his 23 convictions for 47 offences, there are eight previous breaches. Most offences happened in Harlow and include abusing a bus driver, pub door staff and raising an arm in a Nazi salute to a member of the public.

After another breach in October 2012 in which he did a Nazi salute in a central London pub and called black people "c**ns and "n*****s" an Old Bailey judge described him as "a disgrace to the values of this country".

Ah yea, just an asbo...

Rough Sleeper · 11-08-2016 08:27PM

smash wrote: »

He has been locked up before for breaching it. Among his 23 convictions for 47 offences, there are eight previous breaches. Most offences happened in Harlow and include abusing a bus driver, pub door staff and raising an arm in a Nazi salute to a member of the public.

After another breach in October 2012 in which he did a Nazi salute in a central London pub and called black people "c**ns and "n*****s" an Old Bailey judge described him as "a disgrace to the values of this country".

Ah yea, just an asbo...

I was replying to the OP. The defendant can get called up for incidents that would otherwise be let slide because he has a history of being a a horrible ****.

Being racist is illegal in Britain

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