Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

Smondie wrote: »

You know on crimeline they ask for viewers to ring in and they get leads from the public? The seem to be able to act on information given in those cases.

Not quite. Such tips give them ideas to investigate. The vast majority of the 'tips' are useles and lead to nothing tangible. If they find something relevant having investigated a tip, then they act on the evidence. A subtle difference and maybe what you meant.

Mary Boyle has been featured on crimeline. Have the gardai not been able to act on information collected in this case?
*crimeline/gardapatrol/whatever the name of the tv show is

Is it not more likely they investigated the tips received (if anything new) and found no evidence they could act upon?

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Not quite. Such tips give them ideas to investigate. The vast majority of the 'tips' are useles and lead to nothing tangible. If they find something relevant having investigated a tip, then they act on the evidence. A subtle difference and maybe what you meant.
Is it not more likely they investigated the tips received (if anything new) and found no evidence they could act upon?

They investigate the tips though, that's the thing. The main suspect, who the garda have been given tips on has never been investigated. I find that strange.

Going Forward wrote: »

New information has been made public.
She claims to have information that her mother has shared the identity of Mary's killer to her.
That in itself is worthy of investigation.
The mother may refute it. She may not. The Gardai need to check.
To eliminate this named individual.
Have they checked? I don't know. I doubt it.

The difficulty is you don't know. It might well be that they did investigate the report and her mother denied it. That would put an end to that line of investigation.

I doubt they want to, because in their way of investigating this missing persons case it's still 1977.
They have no suspect, no focus.
They official line is that they think she could be eating her dinner somewhere right now:
http://internationalmissingchild.org/find-child/poster/IRGSMK1
http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=6341&Lang=1

In the absense of all physical evidence to the contrary, they must keep open the possibility that she is still alive having been abducted. That does not surprise me. I would be surprised if they didn't.

Going Forward wrote: »

Ah come on.

That is what happens when possibilities are suggested as reasonable or factual.

Could anyone close to the family get a recording of the mother saying what she knows?

I wonder if now someone who knows all about this case would like to summarise all that is known?
Let's see the bare facts with no speculation or theories or other imaginings.
If someone stated one thing and it was denied later by the same person or another then include both or neither.

I think it would make interesting reading at this time ... but of course I do not subscribe to all the conspiracy theories presented so maybe it would not suit here in CT.

Smondie wrote: »

Could anyone close to the family get a recording of the mother saying what she knows?

I am taking a break abroad the next 10 days from tomorrow so my postings on here will be less frequent in that time but ill try log in at least once a night but the new set up of boards on android doesn't seem to work well on my phone, hopefully ill have better luck on my Tablet .

Now that the mother has been brought into it ill add this , its not just her daughter she told she knew who killed Mary but also the garda involved & other citizens, she has been saying this from at least as early as 1980 and was still saying it as recently as 2011 .

When I got involved I decided to give her a ring as it is off course important to hear every side of the story, I was very nervous phoning her as it is of course a very touchy subject and not one I would ever bring up in conversation with her in the past as i would only see her during holidays and weddings and funerals etc.

My nerves soon disappeared when she answered the phone, as she began screaming down the phone to me as soon as I asked what she thought of the rumors ( this was at the beginning of the year)

I asked her would she have a coroner's enquiry for mary and she said no , I asked why? she said it was her business why she didn't want one and no one else's.. I said it was everyones business if there is potentially a child killer roaming free, she countered this by saying " how dare you say My Mary is dead don't you ever say that to me" now if you watch the documentary you wil see her concede that Mary is dead , in one of the very few conversations I had with her in the past about Mary she conceded that Mary was dead but she just hoped it wasn't Robert Black.

I again asked her why would she not just have an inquest that it would silence a lot fo the naysayers she then started saying My uncle Charlie ( her husband Marys father who died in 2005) had always agreed with her that they didn't want an inquest. this I believe to be a lie & I believe it was used to try and emotionally manipulate me.

she said she would put it in her will that she wanted no inquest on Mary

Can I ask anyone here to give me a good reason why on earth any mother would stipulate that in their will about their missing child?

Its hard enough to believe it when she ( the mother) is still alive but she wants information withheld about her daughter's disappearance (its the only way i can put it ) even after she has passed away!

I told her about the upcoming documentary and she said if the gardai involved did come out with what I believed they were going to ( and did) say she said she was going to sue them for their mishandling of the case and their "lies" now .

I asked her was she happy with the way things have been run this nigh on last 40 years she said yes everything was great and she wants it kept that way & out of the public.

I explained now that with social media now and the internet and these new angles people were going to get their own information and speculate she said she didn't care ... I even went as far as to say she needed her voice heard through these platforms and that if she was willing I would speak on her behalf and she said no, I told her that her silence wouldn't say much for her & she said she didn't care.

this whole time she was ranting and raving much like in the phone call I uploaded before to highland radio when she was talking about "running to dails and Westminster"


I asked her why she thinks her daughter has come out with this , why Margo a second cousin of our family has come out with it & why the 2 gards have come out with it , she said Margo was a known alcoholic known for falling off the stage etc who had turned her daughter against her and that the 2 gardai were lying and she would sue them.

Now Margo was an alcoholic in the past that is something she has publicly admitted to but I thought that was an attack that was below the belt , from day 1 all Margo has ever done is tried to help and used whatever name she has to do so . She also mentioned about margo been involved in "clairvoyant Sh1te" well the truth is it was the mother Ann who first went to Margo to ask her to put her in touch with a clairvoyant if she knew any from her travels from singing abroad etc, nothing that any psychic etc has said has any basis in what I, my cousin Ann , Margo , Gemma & the " gards believe .. and Ans senior was very active herself with psychics and clairvoyants and the likes ( as any mother of a missing child would be ) in the past , even travelling to the UK on their say so to look for Mary

As for saying her daughter was turned against her .. now I read many people say my cousin Ann looks vulnerable and easily led.. she may appear weak , she would be like myself in that she visibly shrinks in front of a camera but if you don't believe anything else I say believe me when I say that ann is not silly , yes she has had a truly awful time of it and you can see the strain that life has took on her , yes she isn't the best in front of the press , id be the same - i can chat away online like this etc all day online but id really struggle in front of a camera .. but please do not see that as her being weak or so easily swayed that she has turned against her mother like this on the say so of a distant relative - which is what her mother was alleging to me, my cousin Ann is as sharp as a tack believe me . She is nobodies fool.

And I know its desperate measures for Ann when she says that about her mother as I know she hopes one day to repair her relationship with her mother anyway I'm rambling on here but I just wanted to post that , I think I covered the main points in my call with the mother - there is some that stuff I can't mention as it involves the suspect but if I remember anything else that was said ill post it

I'm an open book on this , its the only way forward there has been 40 years of silence & people scared to treads on toes and say what they think when now time is running out on bringing this man and anyone who may have covered for him to justice .

I came into this with an open mind I love my cousin and loved my "aunty " Ann too ( but from everything I've learned I can't bring myself to call her that now ) I stood on that farm in Cashelard where Mary "vanished" from and believe me I am 100& sure in my convictions there is no way a stranger got her away from there, no way on earth , she was smuggled away by someone very local that is my 100% believe whether dead or alive at that point I do not know.

The Gardai have been a disgrace in this and continue to be so.
The state has been a disgrace
and The Media have been a disgrace

was there a cover-up ? I cant be 100% certain , but there certainly was major major F**k ups.. which are still being continued to this day .

First of all thank you for that long post (which I could not quote)

oranbhoy67 wrote:

was there a cover-up ? I cant be 100% certain , but there certainly was major major F**k ups.. which are still being continued to this day .

Yes I believe there was, and is, a cover up, as well as great mishandling of the initial investigation. For whatever reason in the first hours after the disappearance was notified to the guards, there were serious mistakes made (based on reports read) about lack of searching of obvious places.
Because everything that came afterwards had to be based on the initial investigation, I am not so sure of subsequent mishandling or extra cover-ups.

EDIT: Just saw the second post.
BTW ... I don't consider my view as 'cynical', but seriously questioning of everyone and everything

Hello i have been following this thread very closely and find it so intresting in the worst way possible

Would it be possible to put together a time line of undisputed facts , not opinion, or information that isnt public knowledge , but cold hard facts

I am only asking as it would paint a much clearer picture for me and probably a lot of people as to what has happened

I belive another poster has mentioned this already hopefully it can happen

Deleted User wrote: »

Strange. Why would you agree with the father of your child that you didn't want an inquest, if you didn't believe she was dead?

Or is it a case of an inquest would force acceptance of her death?

But, if that were the case, why would she put it in her will that she didn't want an inquest?

I can't make any sense of that, at all!

from what I can gather an inquest would mean that everyone that was there that day would have to testify for the first time ever, they would also have to make sure their original statements all line up , I'm told their original statements are all dodgy enough as it is, in fact people who have seen them believe they are enough evidence for an arrest

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I don't believe that Mary was murdered or taken by a stranger.
Are some of her family covering up what happened or are they just having a difference of opinion on what occurred and how it occurred?