Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Farming and Asthma

2»

Comments

  • #32
    atlantic mist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    have asthma myself, was fairly bad up to a few years ago, went through all food types to figure it out, gave up dairy, went on goats milk and got no benefit, eventually i landed on wheat as my issue, causes inflammation in the body for some and ive been living a different life since, our damp and constantly changing weather has an effect also.


  • #33
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    atlantic mist wrote: »
    have asthma myself, was fairly bad up to a few years ago, went through all food types to figure it out, gave up dairy, went on goats milk and got no benefit, eventually i landed on wheat as my issue, causes inflammation in the body for some and ive been living a different life since, our damp and constantly changing weather has an effect also.

    Do you have a total gluten free diet?
    Or is it just wheat was the problem.


  • #34
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    There's a theory out there that it's petroleum products that are the basis of the worldwide explosion of asthma, hayfever and allergies. Maybe farming people aren't as surrounded by petroleum-derived products and petrol and diesel fumes as city people?


  • #35
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    kowtow wrote: »
    It's funny how the science based community keep "finding out about things" ... usually the same things they said they knew all about twenty years ago when they were killing them / banning them / or making them compulsory eating for children.

    Always had respect for all those doctors/researchers until I went to college,
    wouldn't blindly trust anyone since. Its scary how they can be so close minded and not acknowledge the world is so complex that there's a good chance of your understanding being wrong no matter how many letters they have with their name


  • #36
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Chuchote wrote: »
    There's a theory out there that it's petroleum products that are the basis of the worldwide explosion of asthma, hayfever and allergies. Maybe farming people aren't as surrounded by petroleum-derived products and petrol and diesel fumes as city people?
    I'm not sure if that holds water?
    We've had traffic fumes since the 60's.
    Yet current generation born now seem to be the worst affected ever by asthma, hayfever and allergies.


  • Advertisement
  • #37
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    I'm not sure if that holds water?
    We've had traffic fumes since the 60's.
    Yet current generation born now seem to be the worst affected ever by asthma, hayfever and allergies.

    I think asthma and allergies started to be a thing in the 1960s, and have spiralled ever upwards since then. Diesel is more used now, and spinoffs from petroleum production are almost universal in city houses now – probably less so in country houses: formica and MDF furniture, sofas with petroleum-derived stuffing, plastic toys, petroleum-derived modern varnishes for floors and furniture, etc.

    I never knew anyone with peanut or other allergy growing up in the 1950s and 1960s; now it's far from uncommon. Same with autism.


  • #38
    ganmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Chuchote wrote: »
    I think asthma and allergies started to be a thing in the 1960s, and have spiralled ever upwards since then. Diesel is more used now, and spinoffs from petroleum production are almost universal in city houses now – probably less so in country houses: formica and MDF furniture, sofas with petroleum-derived stuffing, plastic toys, petroleum-derived modern varnishes for floors and furniture, etc.

    I never knew anyone with peanut or other allergy growing up in the 1950s and 1960s; now it's far from uncommon. Same with autism.
    How many ppl had access to peanuts in that era?
    The rise in autism is due to having a name, many stories of ppl that could easily be diagnosed as autistic now


  • #39
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Peanuts and other nuts were certainly available – peanut butter came in from America at that stage, and bags of 'monkey nuts' (raw peanuts) were a fairly standard treat.

    Studies of autism, for instance in Silicon Valley, where there's one of the highest rates in the world, have refuted the idea that it's because it has a name that it's now highter.

    Nowadays, your children go to school in polyester (petroleum product) uniforms, their clothes are washed in (petroleum product) detergents and dried in machines with petroleum-based anti-static sheets. They walk in over petroleum-derived carpets into rooms painted with petroleum-derived paints, play with computers and tablets and phones and TVs and radios built from petroleum-based materials and giving off the fumes from them. Windows are framed in (petroleum product) PVC-covered aluminium… You can't turn around without seeing and breathing in something made from a side product of petroleum.

    When I went to school my uniforms were cotton, linen or wool – most kids didn't wear uniforms then, thankfully, but their clothes were made of the same. Nylon was a new and exciting product! Desks were solid wood, not MDF made of sawdust glued together with petroleum products.

    Sure, there were petrol fumes and also diesel fumes from buses and farm machinery, but there wasn't the ubiquity of petroleum-derived products that there is now.


  • #40
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Chuchote wrote: »
    Peanuts and other nuts were certainly available – peanut butter came in from America at that stage, and bags of 'monkey nuts' (raw peanuts) were a fairly standard treat.

    Studies of autism, for instance in Silicon Valley, where there's one of the highest rates in the world, have refuted the idea that it's because it has a name that it's now highter.

    Nowadays, your children go to school in polyester (petroleum product) uniforms, their clothes are washed in (petroleum product) detergents and dried in machines with petroleum-based anti-static sheets. They walk in over petroleum-derived carpets into rooms painted with petroleum-derived paints, play with computers and tablets and phones and TVs and radios built from petroleum-based materials and giving off the fumes from them. Windows are framed in (petroleum product) PVC-covered aluminium… You can't turn around without seeing and breathing in something made from a side product of petroleum.

    When I went to school my uniforms were cotton, linen or wool – most kids didn't wear uniforms then, thankfully, but their clothes were made of the same. Nylon was a new and exciting product! Desks were solid wood, not MDF made of sawdust glued together with petroleum products.

    Sure, there were petrol fumes and also diesel fumes from buses and farm machinery, but there wasn't the ubiquity of petroleum-derived products that there is now.

    I think the answer lies in bacteria or lack of in people.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11374305/Fatal-peanut-allergies-could-be-cured-by-probiotic-bacteria-say-Australian-doctors.html
    Take the opening post in this thread.
    There were two study groups both genetically similar. One group had their houses in the farmyard with animals with all the family exposed to all kinds of bacteria everyday.
    Then the other group had their houses away from the farmyard and they wouldn't even keep a pet dog near the house.
    The first group had a lot lower incidences of asthma while the second group were actually higher than the U.S average.

    It may actually be some link to lactobacillus group of bacteria.


  • #41
    ganmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Chuchote wrote: »
    Studies of autism, for instance in Silicon Valley, where there's one of the highest rates in the world, have refuted the idea that it's because it has a name that it's now highter.

    the fact that autism is considered a genetic disorder doesn't give much credence to your argument. silcon valley may be the autism version of Ireland and CF


  • Advertisement
  • #42
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    ganmo wrote: »
    the fact that autism is considered a genetic disorder doesn't give much credence to your argument. silcon valley may be the autism version of Ireland and CF

    I was just about to say something similar. Isn't there a higher prevalence of people on the 'low autism spectrum' working in the computer industry? If so it would just stand to form that these people working in the same area are going to have kids and there will be a higher chance of these kids having autism.


  • #43
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Kovu wrote: »
    I was just about to say something similar. Isn't there a higher prevalence of people on the 'low autism spectrum' working in the computer industry? If so it would just stand to form that these people working in the same area are going to have kids and there will be a higher chance of these kids having autism.

    I think nowadays we recognise as specific "conditions" many traits which we always there.. and many of them (ADD / ADHD springs to mind) are on what is now known as the autistic spectrum.

    It's probably a good thing that we understand these conditions better, if only so that we don't punish the children who have them, but in many cases at least it's more important to understand and even celebrate these traits than it is to try and "cure" them... some real geniuses who have shaped the world over many centuries would have been somewhere on that spectrum.


  • #44
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Every autistic person I know comes from a family with a high level of serious intestinal disease… don't know if they're related.

    But I still reckon petroleum ubiquity has to be to blame for the many allergies. Things can spark off other things that might lie dormant without a particular factor.

    Look at the relatively new research that has found that children who are not outdoors for significant portions of their time in the two or three years before puberty are more likely to develop short sight. What happens is that in groups with a genetic predisposition to short sight, too much time indoors can lead to a glandular change that causes the eyeballs to stiffen into a myopic shape.

    There are plenty of human populations without that genetic predisposition, and they could study in the dark for months at a time, like the ancient ollamhs of Ireland, without becoming half-blind. But in populations that have the genes, not-enough-light in those particular years will inevitably lead to shortsightedness. This is why a huge proportion of people across the Orient now wear glasses: they're held in to study for long hours in those pre-puberty years from, say, nine to twelve.

    I would guess that there's a similar factor in action with asthma; I put the blame on petroleum products because they're everywhere, but of course it could be something else. After all, the doctors who discovered that smoking was a major cause of the newly-common disease of lung cancer assumed that petrol engines would be to blame for that.


  • #45
    atlantic mist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Do you have a total gluten free diet?
    Or is it just wheat was the problem.

    Gluten is fine, just wheat...all wheat has been crossed with an african wheat going back a few decades, trying to improve drought resistance, tillage lads could educate us a bit more. By trying to create the superior plant we do loose other beneficial aspects which dont get highlighted enough...not a fan of the GMO products


  • #46
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Links in with the discussion here.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/08/mouse-microbes-may-make-scientific-studies-harder-replicate

    Perhaps in the future people working in sterile environments will have access to bacteria tablets to help their immune system.


  • #47
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Chuchote wrote: »
    Every autistic person I know comes from a family with a high level of serious intestinal disease… don't know if they're related.

    But I still reckon petroleum ubiquity has to be to blame for the many allergies. Things can spark off other things that might lie dormant without a particular factor.

    Look at the relatively new research that has found that children who are not outdoors for significant portions of their time in the two or three years before puberty are more likely to develop short sight. What happens is that in groups with a genetic predisposition to short sight, too much time indoors can lead to a glandular change that causes the eyeballs to stiffen into a myopic shape.

    There are plenty of human populations without that genetic predisposition, and they could study in the dark for months at a time, like the ancient ollamhs of Ireland, without becoming half-blind. But in populations that have the genes, not-enough-light in those particular years will inevitably lead to shortsightedness. This is why a huge proportion of people across the Orient now wear glasses: they're held in to study for long hours in those pre-puberty years from, say, nine to twelve.

    I would guess that there's a similar factor in action with asthma; I put the blame on petroleum products because they're everywhere, but of course it could be something else. After all, the doctors who discovered that smoking was a major cause of the newly-common disease of lung cancer assumed that petrol engines would be to blame for that.
    This might interest you.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160616140723.htm


  • #48
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    This might interest you.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160616140723.htm

    Thanks, very interesting. I wonder if it covers other effects at all. I knew a kid who developed, or maybe expressed, autism increasingly from around three or four; he had language, but gradually lost it. Horrible and sad.


  • #49
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    I reckon this link can be associated with this thread.

    Amazing how they are able now to identify the different bacteria now.
    Anyway here's the link.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160831142914.htm


  • #50
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Farmers are exposed to moulds more than most workers - moulds are awful for asthmatics. For everyone else too, but particularly dangerous for asthma.


  • #51
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Chuchote wrote: »
    Farmers are exposed to moulds more than most workers - moulds are awful for asthmatics. For everyone else too, but particularly dangerous for asthma.

    Yea farmer's lung was/is a condition associated with inhaling spores from mouldy hay or straw. Thankfully people are aware of this now and incidences are reduced now through better preservation (or people know how to make sure it's dry enough before baling) of hay and straw and if they have to deal with it to wear a face mask. Silage was a game changer too in reduction of cases.


  • Advertisement
  • #52
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    I'll have to add this into this thread as it's about kids developing allergies and asthma and a link with antibiotic use in the first year of life.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160901183744.htm


  • #53
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    I'll definitely have to put this in here as it's what buford's opening post was about.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160929132450.htm


Advertisement