Farming and Asthma

Buford T. Justice XIX

Farming can help protect children from Asthma...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/opinion/health-secrets-of-the-amish.html?_r=0

It's an interesting finding that cleanliness can affect your childrens health in a bad way.

Panch18

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Farming can help protect children from Asthma...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/opinion/health-secrets-of-the-amish.html?_r=0

It's an interesting finding that cleanliness can affect your childrens health in a bad way.

Interesting stuff

Might make some people shut up about having kids out and about on farms

whelan2

Panch18 wrote: »

Interesting stuff

Might make some people shut up about having kids out and about on farms

Had kids out helping me dose/move calves this morning, a lad stopped and said it was a rare sight to see kids running through the fields and if he had his camera he would have loved a photo of them. Havent a clue who he was.

ganmo

whelan2 wrote: »

Had kids out helping me dose/move calves this morning, a lad stopped and said it was a rare sight to see kids running through the fields and if he had his camera he would have loved a photo of them. Havent a clue who he was.

people love watching other people work

Buford T. Justice XIX

Panch18 wrote: »

Interesting stuff

Might make some people shut up about having kids out and about on farms

It's funny the looks I get when people are told the kids are expected to do actual physical work on the farm to get their pocket money, it's like you are promoting child slavery:rolleyes:.

Modern parents obsessiveness about cleanliness may not be doing their children good in the long term either.

Waffletraktor

It to do with challenging immune systems, in the same way babies that receive anti biotics are at a much higher chance of asthma and allergies

Panch18

Waffletraktor wrote: »

It to do with challenging immune systems, in the same way babies that receive anti biotics are at a much higher chance of asthma and allergies

WEll that's it exactly

Everyone is so molly coddled these days they are gone soft out

whelan2

Panch18 wrote: »

WEll that's it exactly

Everyone is so molly coddled these days they are gone soft out

Think the free gp card for the under 6's will only have more people running to the doctor for the slightest sniffle their kids have

kowtow

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

It's an interesting finding that cleanliness can affect your childrens health in a bad way.

Its strange to think of it but this chorus of "bacteria is bad" is one of the most outrageous untruths ever to be swallowed by a whole population.

Large parts of us are made of bacteria... if they were dead so would we be.... and yet ever since that dammed "kills all known germs dead" advert we've been totally misled as a race.

We sterilise the soil and then feed it with a drip of chemicals (as I'd it were on life support, which I suppose it is in a way) ... and then we attempt to kill every living organism we come in to contact with... and then we teach our children that the world around us is dirty and dangerous but if something comes wrapped in plastic from an industrial unit it is somehow good and safe.

I've a feeling we were better served by evolution when we believed it would take care of us instead of vice versa.

_Brian

I've a friend at work and she is a self diagnosed clean freak. Everything is sterilised within an inch of its life.
She washes the floors twice a week with pure Milton fluid and same with work surfaces.
And so it follows her kids have a stream of ear and throat infections and asthma, with recouring doc visits and constant antibiotics. Definitely an example of an over sterile environment weakening children.

Children need exposure to a range of bacteria so they build resistance in general.

I worked in a sterile environment mysel for a long time and my health deteriorated the whole time I was there, only starting to recover when I left. For the last five years I worked there I had maybe 7 chest infections, but since leaving I had one the year I left and none since.

50HX

"I worked in a sterile environment mysel for a long time and my health deteriorated the whole time I was there, only starting to recover when I left. For the last five years I worked there I had maybe 7 chest infections, but since leaving I had one the year I left and none since".[/QUOTE]

Ditto

i worked in a cleanroom and twas the worst thing that happened me

once i left and got out in the cold, wind & rain i had one chest infection v min 2 every year inside

pedigree 6

I read somewhere that anyone that has a tattoo has a better immune system than non tattooed people. Haven't got one myself I get enough good and bad bacteria farming. But it ties in with that your immune system needs to be constantly slightly challenged to be able to withstand the big challenge when it comes. It's basically vaccination on a daily basis.

I'm not promoting parents get a I love mom tattoo on their kids but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.:D

Kovu

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I read somewhere that anyone that has a tattoo has a better immune system than non tattooed people. Haven't got one myself I get enough good and bad bacteria farming. But it ties in with that your immune system needs to be constantly slightly challenged to be able to withstand the big challenge when it comes. It's basically vaccination on a daily basis.

I'm not promoting parents get a I love mom tattoo on their kids but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.:D

Totally works. I can deflect bullets

Dawggone

I suffered badly from asthma as a child, right up to the time I started smoking at age 14.
Haven't had asthma since...costly cure in more ways than one.

Base price

My eldest brother suffered badly from asthma and eczema as a child. My Mother reckoned that goats milk was a great help for both conditions. My Grandparents kept a goat and we would bring milk back home every weekend when we visited.
I suffered with hayfever when I was young but grew out of it in my late teens but it has now returned in the form of sinus infections

pedigree 6

Base price wrote: »

My eldest brother suffered badly from asthma and eczema as a child. My Mother reckoned that goats milk was a great help for both conditions. My Grandparents kept a goat and we would bring milk back home every weekend when we visited.
I suffered with hayfever when I was young but grew out of it in my late teens but it has now returned in the form of sinus infections

It's not really the type of animal e.g goat or cow, it's more to do with the milk being unpasteurised. That's my take on it. Always drank our own milk here.
Shop milk tastes sour to me. I think you have to be brought up on it to get benefit. I'd rather drink our own milk tbh that passes all the quality creamery tests than milk not tested. More here-
http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/n-y-times-admits-raw-milk-is-cure-for-allergies/

Edit: just reading the linked article to the one above in the ny times and it could go back even further to the mother of the child, what her exposer to bacteria was at the time of gestation as well.

We're evolving the whole time.

pedigree 6

Be'jaysus I think I may start looking for a premium for my milk.:D
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160127121556.htm

kowtow

pedigree 6 wrote:

I'm not promoting parents get a I love mom tattoo on their kids but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.

Perhaps a small list of chores, do they wouldn't have to be reminded all the time?

rangler1

Base price wrote: »

My eldest brother suffered badly from asthma and eczema as a child. My Mother reckoned that goats milk was a great help for both conditions. My Grandparents kept a goat and we would bring milk back home every weekend when we visited.
I suffered with hayfever when I was young but grew out of it in my late teens but it has now returned in the form of sinus infections

Most asthmatics, or any lung complaint, will improve by giving up cows milk,

pedigree 6

rangler1 wrote: »

Most asthmatics, or any lung complaint, will improve by giving up cows milk,

Sounds like there's a problem in your gut and the ability to digest lactose.
Lactase supplements should help.

blackdog1

pedigree 6 wrote:

Sounds like there's a problem in your gut and the ability to digest lactose. Lactase supplements should help.

No generally they say milk makes you produce more mucus. But at that stage you already have a problem...milk is seen as preventative not a cure. It reduces your likelihood of developing the problem it doesn't cure the problem once you have it.

rangler1

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Sounds like there's a problem in your gut and the ability to digest lactose.
Lactase supplements should help.

Some doctors recommend reducing milk intake even for chest infections, milk's supposed to increase mucus in the lungs.
Suppose it's like the vaccine/autism link, unless you're a sufferer, you won't have the same interest, you'll try any relief when you're in the throes of asthma ,

Kovu

Pretty sure I mentioned it here on boards before but a lot of my cousins have bad asthma even though their parents don't have it (uncles/aunts who grew up on the farm). But I don't believe that raw milk is a deciding factor as I had an uncle born here who had to emigrate due to breathing problems. Maybe a contributing factor? I reckon central heating is definitely more of an issue today, keeping a house heated all the time dries out the air so much and it can't be good for us. Even with my nephew in Finland, the parents are encouraged to let their child sleep (well wrapped up!) outside in the pram, rather than keep him in the stuffy house.
The house here only got central heating when I was 12, brother was older, we've never had any asthma symptoms compared to 2/3 of our cousins who were on inhalers as kids.

I still buy raw milk or take some from the quiet cows here, but I don't drink much of it by itself as I find it makes me cough a bit, think that's something to do with mucus production with the lactose.

pedigree 6

rangler1 wrote: »

Some doctors recommend reducing milk intake even for chest infections, milk's supposed to increase mucus in the lungs.
Suppose it's like the vaccine/autism link, unless you're a sufferer, you won't have the same interest, you'll try any relief when you're in the throes of asthma ,

Then the question has to be asked why is more mucus produced in some people's lungs than others. I think it's to do with your body's ability to produce lactase or lack of in cases and usually the older you get or if the gut is damaged it doesn't produce as much. We're learning new things the whole time as we go along.
http://www.medicinenet.com/hydrogen_breath_test/article.htm

whelan2

Kovu wrote: »

Pretty sure I mentioned it here on boards before but a lot of my cousins have bad asthma even though their parents don't have it (uncles/aunts who grew up on the farm). But I don't believe that raw milk is a deciding factor as I had an uncle born here who had to emigrate due to breathing problems. Maybe a contributing factor? I reckon central heating is definitely more of an issue today, keeping a house heated all the time dries out the air so much and it can't be good for us. Even with my nephew in Finland, the parents are encouraged to let their child sleep (well wrapped up!) outside in the pram, rather than keep him in the stuffy house.
The house here only got central heating when I was 12, brother was older, we've never had any asthma symptoms compared to 2/3 of our cousins who were on inhalers as kids.

I still buy raw milk or take some from the quiet cows here, but I don't drink much of it by itself as I find it makes me cough a bit, think that's something to do with mucus production with the lactose.

We lived in another house when the eldest lad was born, oh would always have an oil filled radiator going or a fan heater, eldest lad had asthma, other 2 kids didnt as we moved to were we are now before they were born and I threw out the fan heater and the oil filled heater

farawaygrass

whelan2 wrote: »

We lived in another house when the eldest lad was born, oh would always have an oil filled radiator going or a fan heater, eldest lad had asthma, other 2 kids didnt as we moved to were we are now before they were born and I threw out the fan heater and the oil filled heater

At what age did he develop asthma whelan? Just worrying about my own kids. And kovu, we have polish neighbours with a one year old. He is always in the pram outside once dry. They actually rarely have the heat on, have the door opened a lot actually and wear extra clothes instead.

whelan2

farawaygrass wrote: »

At what age did he develop asthma whelan? Just worrying about my own kids. And kovu, we have polish neighbours with a one year old. He is always in the pram outside once dry. They actually rarely have the heat on, have the door opened a lot actually and wear extra clothes instead.

At about 6 months. Those fan heaters and plug in oil filled radiators are giving out dry heat. Doctor advised to get rid of them. He stopped using inhalers when he was about 8

KatyMac

I have cousins that literally never came into contact with dirt, their mother was mad at the cleaning and the most unhealthy kids I've never came across.
On the other hand in this house we are 'just clean enough that the dirt won't kill us!' and we are all reasonably healthy - my kids had a bit of asthma when they were small, but are growing out of it. It is possible that the docs were a bit trigger happy calling it asthma anyway!
I'm all for a little bit of dirt!

kowtow

pedigree 6 wrote:

Then the question has to be asked why is more mucus produced in some people's lungs than others. I think it's to do with your body's ability to produce lactase or lack of in cases and usually the older you get or if the gut is damaged it doesn't produce as much. We're learning new things the whole time as we go along.

Presumably when we started homigenising milk we reduced lactose intake and therfore lactase production?

pedigree 6

kowtow wrote: »

Presumably when we started homigenising milk we reduced lactose intake and therfore lactase production?

Not sure. Asian children generally produce lactase up to the age of 6 and then they can't digest lactose as well as western people. So to get around this dairy companies are adding lactase to milk for that market. If you're lactose intolerant by adding lactase, your body is able to process lactose. Cheeses and yoghurts are easier digest for lactose intolerant people without adding lactase and still get your calcium plus some bacteria.

Actually when talking about bacteria your body and gut can't really operate without bacteria. Interesting Wikipedia article here and ties in with what brian was saying about working in a sterile environment. Then there's links in the article to asthma, depression in the brain, immunity, probiotics, etc.
I personally think the more bacteria that makes it to your gut the better, whether from the air, food, water. I don't mean eat or drink dirty food or water but eat fresh food that still has life about it.
It seems we still are only finding out about these things.
Anyway knock yourselves out.:pac:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora

kowtow

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Actually when talking about bacteria your body and gut can't really operate without bacteria. Interesting Wikipedia article here and ties in with what brian was saying about working in a sterile environment. Then there's links in the article to asthma, depression in the brain, immunity, probiotics, etc.
I personally think the more bacteria that makes it to your gut the better, whether from the air, food, water. I don't mean eat or drink dirty food or water but eat fresh food that still has life about it.
It seems we still are only finding out about these things.
Anyway knock yourselves out.:pac:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora

It's funny how the science based community keep "finding out about things" ... usually the same things they said they knew all about twenty years ago when they were killing them / banning them / or making them compulsory eating for children.