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Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II **off topic discussion**

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  • #3962
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i passed someone last night, also on a bike, who was smoking as they cycled. trying to find a balance between fitness and vices, maybe.

    Couple of years ago I used to do bootcamp sessions after work in order to get out training with a group. I got chatting afterwards one evening so was late getting trotting to my car. I caught up with two clowns, a bloke and a girl, who after doing a similar session were strolling back having a fag each.


  • #3963
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,094 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i passed someone last night, also on a bike, who was smoking as they cycled. trying to find a balance between fitness and vices, maybe.
    I did that for years. It was awkward in winter when wearing gloves.


  • #3964
    eeeee
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Couple of years ago I used to do bootcamp sessions after work in order to get out training with a group. I got chatting afterwards one evening so was late getting trotting to my car. I caught up with two clowns, a bloke and a girl, who after doing a similar session were strolling back having a fag each.

    I smoked for years and maintained a very decent level of fitness. Maybe they were in the process of giving up, maybe they weren't but don't think it's fair to judge them for it! I also used to smoke on my commute home on the bike. I have given up, and have no intention of smoking again but I don't get why you'd judge someone for it. It's their (admittedly bad) choice. Live and let live etc. etc.


  • #3965
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    nee wrote: »
    I don't get why you'd judge someone for it. It's their (admittedly bad) choice. Live and let live etc. etc.
    Well, judging people is normal. We all do it constantly. You're probably judging me right now.

    I interpret "live and let live" quite literally to mean "commit neither suicide nor homicide". I'm doing OK so far.


  • #3966
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Ah I judge everyone for smoking in fairness. I have an abnormally high level of disdain for it.


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  • #3967
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    nee wrote: »
    I smoked for years and maintained a very decent level of fitness. Maybe they were in the process of giving up, maybe they weren't but don't think it's fair to judge them for it! I also used to smoke on my commute home on the bike. I have given up, and have no intention of smoking again but I don't get why you'd judge someone for it. It's their (admittedly bad) choice. Live and let live etc. etc.

    Yet you have no problem judging Tri athletes! :pac:


  • #3968
    rollingscone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭rollingscone


    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    Yet you have no problem judging Tri athletes! :pac:

    Triathlon is a disgusting habit.


  • #3969
    Wishbone Ash
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    Did the bike stall? That was crazy, can't believe how most got up so quickly.

    EDIT: Stall it was, just seen the story.looks like the race was just 12 seconds in when they came down.
    It was a fixie race with no brakes - probably contributed to the pile up.


  • #3970
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,529 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    I did that for years. It was awkward in winter when wearing gloves.
    did it not cause the cigarette to burn away very quickly?


  • #3971
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,094 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    did it not cause the cigarette to burn away very quickly?
    Would have eased off on the speed when smoking - not something for a descent!


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  • #3972
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Saw this
    daragh_ wrote: »
    Guerciotti Khaybar

    My current race bike. Running Shimano 105 (new in April). Comes with Fulcrum Quattros, Look Classic pedals, Deda Carbon Seatpost and a Carbon Saddle.

    Italian made hi-mod Carbon Frame and forks. I've mostly used it for racing but it's very comfortable on long endurance rides.

    http://www.adverts.ie/road-bikes/guerciotti-khaybar/10898156

    And thought of this :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN6Du3MCgI


  • #3973
    RobertFoster
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    Even seen one person with a pipe and while, as an ex smoker, I detest it now, it did look quite elegant.
    I had a friend when I was a kid whose dad used to cycle everywhere, often with a pipe fixed in the corner of his mouth. Not particularly elegant, more rustic in my eyes. My memories of him include the smell of pipe tobacco, how his coat used to billow out behind him when he cycled, and how he'd point at you rather than wave as he went by.


  • #3974
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,094 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    RobertFoster wrote: »
    I had a friend when I was a kid whose dad used to cycle everywhere, often with a pipe fixed in the corner of his mouth. Not particularly elegant, more rustic in my eyes. My memories of him include the smell of pipe tobacco, how his coat used to billow out behind him when he cycled, and how he'd point at you rather than wave as he went by.
    My oul lad used to smoke the pipe on the bike - it wasn't very elegant either. He also had that stale tobacco scent which I thought was how fathers were supposed to smell when I was a child. :)


  • #3975
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    nee wrote: »
    I smoked for years and maintained a very decent level of fitness. Maybe they were in the process of giving up, maybe they weren't but don't think it's fair to judge them for it! I also used to smoke on my commute home on the bike. I have given up, and have no intention of smoking again but I don't get why you'd judge someone for it. It's their (admittedly bad) choice. Live and let live etc. etc.
    I would love to say I don't judge people for smoking, it is very two faced of me as I am an ex smoker but as soon as I see a smoker (and many of my friends are), I think less of them, I don't mean too, it is not on purpose but I do.
    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    It was a fixie race with no brakes - probably contributed to the pile up.
    I love them but I only see them awhile later when someone reminds me, would love to have a similar style race here in one of the industrial estates.
    RobFowl wrote: »
    And thought of this :)
    I went here:
    p41649_p_v8_aa.jpg


  • #3976
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    I don't judge smokers. I just think they're assholes :pac:


  • #3977
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,912 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    RobertFoster wrote: »
    I had a friend when I was a kid whose dad used to cycle everywhere, often with a pipe fixed in the corner of his mouth. Not particularly elegant, more rustic in my eyes. My memories of him include the smell of pipe tobacco, how his coat used to billow out behind him when he cycled, and how he'd point at you rather than wave as he went by.

    Lovely description. I feel as if I know the man now.


  • #3978
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    My oul lad used to smoke the pipe on the bike - it wasn't very elegant either. He also had that stale tobacco scent which I thought was how fathers were supposed to smell when I was a child. :)

    Never saw my long gone aul fella on a bike but recall the pipe and smell as if it was yesterday.
    Thanks for the memories lads :)


  • #3979
    RobFowl
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    Chuchote wrote: »
    I don't judge smokers. I just think they're assholes :pac:

    Asshole


  • #3980
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,529 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there's been a massive reduction in smoking related litter in dublin recently, with the growing popularity of e-cigarettes.


  • #3981
    Hager
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭Hager


    Chuchote wrote: »
    I don't judge smokers. I just think they're assholes :pac:

    And is that your considered opinion on anyone that is misfortunate enough to succumb to any addiction, or is it reserved solely for smokers?


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  • #3982
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Hager wrote: »
    And is that your considered opinion on anyone that is misfortunate enough to succumb to any addiction, or is it reserved solely for smokers?

    It was a dark joke, but to answer you seriously:

    I'd mainly blame the government for drug addiction; it can look straight across the sea to Portugal, where a carefully thought-out and targeted decriminalisation ended the pyramid scheme that is drug sales, cut the legs from under the criminal hierarchy and returned the country to sanity http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html

    As far as smoking is concerned, before Doll & Hill and the longitudinal British Doctors Study first reporting in the 1950s

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Doctors_Study
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2362092/

    and the 1964 Surgeon General's Report

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_and_Health:_Report_of_the_Advisory_Committee_to_the_Surgeon_General_of_the_United_States
    http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/sgr/history/

    …it might have been understandable for young people to start smoking, and to continue what we now know to be a suicidal practice. But to see young, fit people taking up smoking and justifying it just horrifies me, and lowers those people in my opinion.

    I don't know what addiction consists in – a frantic desire for a product, the feeling it gives? violent withdrawal symptoms if the use of the product is stopped? self-delusion about its effects? an utter inability to stop using the product?


  • #3983
    Hager
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭Hager


    Chuchote wrote: »
    It was a dark joke, but to answer you seriously:

    I'd mainly blame the government for drug addiction; it can look straight across the sea to Portugal, where a carefully thought-out and targeted decriminalisation ended the pyramid scheme that is drug sales, cut the legs from under the criminal hierarchy and returned the country to sanity

    As far as smoking is concerned, before Doll & Hill and the longitudinal British Doctors Study first reporting in the 1950s


    and the 1964 Surgeon General's Report



    …it might have been understandable for young people to start smoking, and to continue what we now know to be a suicidal practice. But to see young, fit people taking up smoking and justifying it just horrifies me, and lowers those people in my opinion.

    I don't know what addiction consists in – a frantic desire for a product, the feeling it gives? violent withdrawal symptoms if the use of the product is stopped? self-delusion about its effects? an utter inability to stop using the product?

    I'm not for one minute suggesting that smoking is a harmless pursuit or that it should not be discouraged but your above post does not explain the smug superiority that you displayed when you dismissed all smokers in an abusive manner.


  • #3984
    Chuchote
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    Weepsie wrote: »
    Do you drink at all chucote?

    Ive read about Portugal and it's success but I was also offered more drugs there in 3 days last week than I was at Glastonbury which is really saying something

    I do. Friday night is wine night; a bottle between 2. Occasionally if I make a risotto and need white wine for it, another bottle or part of one during the week.

    I'm a bit doubtful about the smoking-as-addiction idea; when I was a child, all doctors seemed to smoke heavily. The week Doll & Hill's survey of doctors came out, bang: all the ashtrays were gone, virtually all doctors quit for good. Now it's highly unusual to find a doctor that smokes.

    I wasn't offered drugs in Portugal.
    Hager wrote: »
    I'm not for one minute suggesting that smoking is a harmless pursuit or that it should not be discouraged but your above post does not explain the smug superiority that you displayed when you dismissed all smokers in an abusive manner.

    I'm asthmatic. I'd give anything to have healthy lungs and respiratory system. People who deliberately destroy theirs annoy the hell out of me.


  • #3985
    Hager
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭Hager


    I'm asthmatic. I'd give anything to have healthy lungs and respiratory system. People who deliberately destroy theirs annoy the hell out of me.[/quote]

    You are either missing my point or deliberately ignoring it, just because a cohort of people do something that annoys the hell out of you doesn't mean that you can dismiss them all in such derogatory terms as you used.


  • #3986
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Hager wrote: »
    I'm asthmatic. I'd give anything to have healthy lungs and respiratory system. People who deliberately destroy theirs annoy the hell out of me.

    You are either missing my point or deliberately ignoring it, just because a cohort of people do something that annoys the hell out of you doesn't mean that you can dismiss them all in such derogatory terms as you used.[/QUOTE]

    As I said, it was a dark joke.

    I'm going to die choking.

    If you have a fine healthy set of lungs and you use something that's bound to destroy them as surely as you'd destroy yourself by drinking drain cleaner… well, I'm liable to be prejudiced. Perhaps it's wrong…


  • #3987
    daragh_
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    RobFowl wrote: »
    Saw this



    And thought of this :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN6Du3MCgI

    Well played ;-)

    And now I have a new ear worm.


  • #3988
    magicbastarder
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    Chuchote wrote: »
    I wasn't offered drugs in Portugal.
    walking around lisbon on a work trip earlier this year, we were offered drugs probably ten times in ten minutes.


  • #3989
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    walking around lisbon on a work trip earlier this year, we were offered drugs probably ten times in ten minutes.

    Walk around any train station in Brussels, O'Connell St in Dublin, certain parts of London. I was never offered drugs in Lisbon and I was there for a week with work. This said I have no doubt if I went looking I would find it, same as any other European city.


  • #3990
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Walk around any train station in Brussels, O'Connell St in Dublin, certain parts of London. I was never offered drugs in Lisbon and I was there for a week with work. This said I have no doubt if I went looking I would find it, same as any other European city.

    Finding drugs in any major city is stupidly easy. I'm not a user myself but if I wanted any I know at least 3/4 people that could have me sorted within the hour. I'm not talking about just grass either, I'm sure most people who grew up in a city are the same.
    Legalising imo isnt the answer


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  • #3991
    Lusk_Doyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    What's with all the boardsies going to Lisbon to work? Are they not struggling to find jobs for their own over there without "asshole" migrant workers coming in and taking jobs from locals and thereby exaccerbating the downward spiral into drug abuse?


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