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Why are there fcukall black swimmers in the Olympics?

  • 07-08-2016 04:36PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭


    I'm not trying to be funny here but why are there so few successful black swimmers?

    They are successful at lots of sports but why not swimming?

    Is it something genetic, a dislike for the sport, cultural reasons etc?

    Genuinely curious.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'm not trying to be funny here but why are there so few successful black swimmers?

    They are successful at lots of sports but why not swimming?

    Is it something genetic, a dislike for the sport, cultural reasons etc?

    Genuinely curious.

    Lack of facilities in their home countries.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭jimmy blevins


    They'll dissolve in the chlorine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭sundodger5


    The same reason they are excellent athletes. Their bones are more dense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Seriously - probably mainly due to genetics and natural fit to swimming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Eric the Eel scared them off.

    Same reason you don't have many British lads called Eddie doing the Ski Jump at the Winter Olympics.


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    It's due to centre of gravity, White people have a lower centre of gravity more suited to swimming. Conversely black people's higher centre of gravity suits sprinting.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/7884135/Centre-of-gravity-theory-for-dominance-of-black-sprinters-and-white-swimmers.html

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    A combination of cultural, sporting, physiological and economic issues.....which is also why there are very few black hockey players, equestrians, cyclists etc at the Olympics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,906 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Allinall wrote: »
    Lack of facilities in their home countries.

    There are a few pools in the U.S.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    There are a few pools in the U.S.

    Yeah, but you have to learn to swim first and African American communities have low participation in learning to swim classes and consequently more rate their swimming abilities as poor.....because even where you have pools lessons have to be paid for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,535 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    MrDiyFan wrote: »
    a good lot train at blackpool in the UK

    How old are you?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,906 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Yeah, but you have to learn to swim first and African American communities have low participation in learning to swim classes and consequently more rate their swimming abilities as poor.....because even where you have pools lessons have to be paid for.

    I'm not disagreeing but the point seemed to suggest the reason is primarily poor countries with no pools.

    There's a lot more to it than that. You could even include physiological factors.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭Laika123


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'm not trying to be funny here but why are there so few successful black swimmers?

    They are successful at lots of sports but why not swimming?

    Is it something genetic, a dislike for the sport, cultural reasons etc?

    Genuinely curious.

    Their bones are denser and not good swimmers, well thats what I was told years ago when I asked the same question.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    On a related issue, Why are the Irish so bad at swimming?

    At least there's a physical reason why black people don't tend to be good swimmers. But what's our excuse?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭Laika123


    On a related issue, Why are the Irish so bad at swimming?

    At least there's a physical reason why black people don't tend to be good swimmers. But what's our excuse?

    What was that swimmer a few years ago, Michelle Smith, actually she was caught taking stimulants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,206 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Laika123 wrote: »
    What was that swimmer a few years ago, Michelle Smith, actually she was caught taking stimulants.

    Another reason in Ireland I believe is a lack of 50m swimming pools. Our pools are not long enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,535 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Laika123 wrote: »
    What was that swimmer a few years ago, Michelle Smith, actually she was caught taking stimulants.

    Don't think she was actually caught for doping but had a urine test that suggested she should either lay off the booze or it was tampered with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭511


    dudara wrote: »
    Seriously - probably mainly due to genetics and natural fit to swimming.

    Interesting comment from someone who posted this:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,906 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    On a related issue, Why are the Irish so bad at swimming?

    At least there's a physical reason why black people don't tend to be good swimmers. But what's our excuse?

    Well, the Irish are the blacks of Europe.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭jimmy blevins


    Our greatest Olympian is a swimmer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    I don't know - slavery?
    Just blame white people.
    Yay!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'm not trying to be funny here but why are there so few successful black swimmers?

    They are successful at lots of sports but why not swimming?

    Is it something genetic, a dislike for the sport, cultural reasons etc?

    Genuinely curious.

    For the same reason why there are so few successful white sprinters/runners?

    Different physiological attributes i imagine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Studies show it is mostly a socioeconomic issue but greater bone density is also a factor. (Wagner, Heyward et al.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,191 ✭✭✭DopeTech


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'm not trying to be funny here but why are there so few successful black swimmers?

    They are successful at lots of sports but why not swimming?

    Is it something genetic, a dislike for the sport, cultural reasons etc?

    Genuinely curious.
    Running is more their thing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Joe prim


    Studies show it is mostly a socioeconomic issue but greater bone density is also a factor. (Wagner, Heyward et al.)

    Very racist calling black people dense.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    511 wrote: »
    Interesting comment from someone who posted this:
    Ah here, there's a big difference in stating an established fact (the skeletons of black people are heavier, their bones are denser) and saying they are inferior... nobody here said the latter.

    I was googling this to make sure the bone-density issue isn't an urban myth (it isn't) , and came across another interesting fact.

    If you're from a poorer background, are athletic, and have the body-type that is associated with strong swimmers (lean, long arms & torso) you're probably more likely to pursue a financially lucrative sport like basketball. Swimming is not very lucrative. Black people tend to be poorer than whites, so that may explain why black athletic children tend not to favour swimming over lucrative sports.

    Of course there are probably also cultural reasons at play, to do with a lack of black swimming role models.

    Except this guy!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rqI8xwXVac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    I'm not disagreeing but the point seemed to suggest the reason is primarily poor countries with no pools.

    There's a lot more to it than that. You could even include physiological factors.

    I did in post #9

    If it was lack of infrastructure that would explain it for certain countries, but other so called developed countries - the US, France, Oz etc - have world class facilities, talent identification programmes, elite development etc and rarely do you see a black swimmer come through at national level.....

    .....in the US, participation in swimming is lowest among black communities because lessons have to be paid for and other sports, with lower barriers to entry, are culturally more embedded.

    On the physiological side, there's an argument that suggests that genetically black athletes develop much greater muscle densities which are great for explosive sprinting and power, but that decreases buoyancy which makes swimming a bit more difficult - the margin involved is not much, but sufficient to prevent many from making it to elite status.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Joe prim wrote: »
    Very racist calling black people dense.

    I didn't and neither did the researchers. Trying to be funny? Then learn the distinction between the terms used first.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,206 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Our greatest Olympian is a swimmer.
    So is
    Our greatest swimmer an Olympian.?

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



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