Nike gone?

WacoKid · 05-08-2016 10:12AM

Secret Tour Pro has spoken!

http://mygolfdaily.com/why-rory-wont-make-the-same-mistake-twice/

Golfgorfield · 05-08-2016 10:16AM

The Secrettourpro that isnt a pro at all..... that fool has been outed numerous times.

CMOTDibbler · 05-08-2016 10:18AM

Golfgorfield wrote: »

The Secrettourpro that isnt a pro at all..... that fool has been outed numerous times.

I'd like to see that. Have you a link?

WacoKid · 05-08-2016 10:22AM

Golfgorfield wrote: »

The Secrettourpro that isnt a pro at all..... that fool has been outed numerous times.

Wow, you seem bothered by this!

Regardless who he is his info. is usually spot on.

Golfgorfield · 05-08-2016 10:22AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

I'd like to see that. Have you a link?

http://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2016/3/3/has-secret-tour-pro-been-busted.html

Theres one link, google is full of info.... Without being a knob, ive a good few friends on tour, its widely known to be some guy from England, what tour pro has the time or interest in what this eejit does, own website??? Come on........

http://thegolfnewsnet.com/ryan_ballengee/2016/02/23/secrettourpro-dangers-uncertain-anonymity-16328/

BigChap1759 · 05-08-2016 10:30AM

Defo could be PXG - would be a coup for them. Only thing that has me wondering is Bill Parsons saying they never approach players, players approach them first - would Rory do this, I'm not so sure.

As above, Titleist would be the best move from a comfort/familiarity point of view

PaddyWilliams · 05-08-2016 10:33AM

davo10 wrote: »

Strangely coincidental, I heard Rich Beam interviewed earlier today about McIlroy having a shiny new Scotty Cameron in the locker room at the PGA last weekend. Beam remarked to him how nice a putter it was and McIlroy said it is a beauty. Beam thought it odd that he had it instead of the Nike he uses.

http://www.newstalk.com/rich-beem-pga-championship

Heard the same interview myself, very interesting. He noted that McIlroy seemed sad he couldn't use it.

On a side note, Rich Beem sounds like a sound fella.

CMOTDibbler · 05-08-2016 10:37AM

Golfgorfield wrote: »

http://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2016/3/3/has-secret-tour-pro-been-busted.html

Theres one link, google is full of info.... Without being a knob, ive a good few friends on tour, its widely known to be some guy from England, what tour pro has the time or interest in what this eejit does, own website??? Come on........

http://thegolfnewsnet.com/ryan_ballengee/2016/02/23/secrettourpro-dangers-uncertain-anonymity-16328/

I've always assumed it was more than one person and I've never believed it was actually a tour pro. But the photos thing is a red herring. If you're trying to conceal your identity, you never use your own photos. The metadata would give you away instantly.

ForeRight · 05-08-2016 10:44AM

PaddyWilliams wrote: »

Heard the same interview myself, very interesting. He noted that McIlroy seemed sad he couldn't use it.

On a side note, Rich Beem sounds like a sound fella.

I'm sure he was already privy to the news Nike was pulling out hence him having a Scotty with him at all. Maybe he's been putting with it behind the scenes.

What other reason would he have it for?

BigChap1759 · 05-08-2016 10:45AM

ForeRight wrote: »

I'm sure he was already privy to the news Nike was pulling out hence him having a Scotty with him at all. Maybe he's been putting with it behind the scenes.

What other reason would he have it for?

Desperation?

Letree · 05-08-2016 10:53AM

I'd say there are a lot of boardroom meetings going on now in the big club manufacturers discussing mcilroy.

Titleist know he loved their clubs in the past so they prob wouldn't have to offer him a massive money to get him back. I'd say he wants to win majors now more than earn big sponsorship deals.

Another angle is if they don't offer him a deal and he goes and chooses to use their equipment anyway that would be some result for them.

CMOTDibbler · 05-08-2016 10:56AM

ForeRight wrote: »

I'm sure he was already privy to the news Nike was pulling out hence him having a Scotty with him at all. Maybe he's been putting with it behind the scenes.

What other reason would he have it for?

It'll be interesting to see how quickly that putter goes in his bag.

Seems like it's a massive silver lining for McIlroy. He'll continue to get paid by Nike and get to use any equipment he wants. There's no point in Nike trying to hold him to an equipment deal when they're not making equuipment any more. They've laid people off already and closed their two operations in the US.

Sad week for the employees who are out of a job with probably very little chance of working in the industry again.

ForeRight · 05-08-2016 11:20AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see how quickly that putter goes in his bag.

Seems like it's a massive silver lining for McIlroy. He'll continue to get paid by Nike and get to use any equipment he wants. There's no point in Nike trying to hold him to an equipment deal when they're not making equuipment any more. They've laid people off already and closed their two operations in the US.

Sad week for the employees who are out of a job with probably very little chance of working in the industry again.

Never nice to see people lose their jobs. It's a shame.

I'd say Rory was just looking for excuses with his putting the last 12months. This is it now and he can change. Wouldn't be surprised to see a huge change in him but imo it's not the equipment it's the rocks between his ears.
He won two majors in a row with that Nike equipment. He could play with a set of dunlops and win a major if his head is right imo.

Domo1982 · 05-08-2016 11:35AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

I've always assumed it was more than one person and I've never believed it was actually a tour pro.

I think most people understand that

I'd keep away from the Waterford Whispers website if I was you Gorfield!!;)

Jawgap · 05-08-2016 11:38AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

The point is that Rory doesn't actually need that cash any more. The downside of being tied to one particular club manufacturer can't be outweighed by money at this stage of his career. He clearly had difficulty with the Nike clubs and particularly the putter. He was still tweaking it last year.

If he has a free hand to choose his clubs, even for a year until he finds something that suits him, he's hardly going to be missing the cash. Nike will still be paying him for the clothing and footwear, so he doesn't need anything like the kind of money they were paying him for the full kit out from a club sponsor. He probably only needs to make up another $10 million from bag and clubs, so even if he falls short of that figure it won't be far off what Nike were paying.

I can't believe I actually said only $10 million

I agree he doesn't need the cash - you won't seem on a bike any time soon or having to carry his own bag!

I'd say Nike will re-negotiate the contract and buy out those portions don't wish to make regular payments on in future. No doubt he'll be delighted to have the equipment bits bought out as it'll free him to play with whatever he wants (or strike another deal with a different manufacturer) and he'll get a good chunk of cash up front.

Anyway $10m here......$10m there.....eventually it adds up to real money

Jawgap · 05-08-2016 11:39AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

That was my point. Taylormade don't always insist on clubs and clothing deals. So McIlroy could do a clubs only deal with them.

TaylorMade are up for sale at the moment - doubt they're doing much in the way of sponsorship beyond honouring existing commitments.

CMOTDibbler · 05-08-2016 12:00PM

Jawgap wrote: »

TaylorMade are up for sale at the moment - doubt they're doing much in the way of sponsorship beyond honouring existing commitments.

They've continued to sign players regardless. Not big names, but only a month ago they signed two new players: Jonathan Garrick and Romain Langasque. And that was only a week after signing Jon Rahm and Jordan Niebrugge. Early in the year they signed Victor Dubuisson and Joost Luiten.

It's interesting that Adidas put Taylormade on the market for much the same reasons that Nike are stopping equipment production. Because of branding, Nike probably couldn't take the same approach but it has to be a concern that these big equipment companies are feeling the pinch.

Dbu · 05-08-2016 12:02PM

Jawgap wrote: »

TaylorMade are up for sale at the moment - doubt they're doing much in the way of sponsorship beyond honouring existing commitments.

Sold by all accounts, if you read golf writers online.

CMOTDibbler · 05-08-2016 12:25PM

Dbu wrote: »

Sold by all accounts, if you read golf writers online.

Linky?

Letree · 05-08-2016 01:02PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

but it has to be a concern that these big equipment companies are feeling the pinch.

20 years ago there were a smaller number of club manufacturers and they seemed to do fine. This was before the tiger era too. They released clubs every 2 or 3 years and seemed to do OK. The nonsense that has been going on over the last 10 years couldn't continue. Nobody believes anymore that the latest TM clubs are better longer more forgiving than the ones they released 6 months ago.

We have reached the limits on what can be done inside the USGA and R&A rules. I would like to see sense return, it was due to this madness that we ended up having to add in a gap wedge and one manufacturer has even added in 2 gaps wedges.

Jawgap · 05-08-2016 01:02PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

They've continued to sign players regardless. Not big names, but only a month ago they signed two new players: Jonathan Garrick and Romain Langasque. And that was only a week after signing Jon Rahm and Jordan Niebrugge. Early in the year they signed Victor Dubuisson and Joost Luiten.

It's interesting that Adidas put Taylormade on the market for much the same reasons that Nike are stopping equipment production. Because of branding, Nike probably couldn't take the same approach but it has to be a concern that these big equipment companies are feeling the pinch.

Yeah, but that's a bit like baseball teams drafting and signing high school prospects or a football team signing a 7 year old - I don't think McIlroy would settle for the money they've paid those up and comers.

Seve OB · 05-08-2016 01:20PM

Letree wrote: »

20 years ago there were a smaller number of club manufacturers and they seemed to do fine. This was before the tiger era too. They released clubs every 2 or 3 years and seemed to do OK. The nonsense that has been going on over the last 10 years couldn't continue. Nobody believes anymore that the latest TM clubs are better longer more forgiving than the ones they released 6 months ago.

We have reached the limits on what can be done inside the USGA and R&A rules. I would like to see sense return, it was due to this madness that we ended up having to add in a gap wedge and one manufacturer has even added in 2 gaps wedges.

only one manufacturer?.... only 2 gap wedges?????

my set of clubs, pw is 47 or thereabouts, then I could have gotten (possibly 50, not sure) but deffo 52, 54, 56, 58 & 60. I know other manufacturers are similar

Letree · 05-08-2016 01:42PM

Seve OB wrote: »

only one manufacturer?.... only 2 gap wedges?????

my set of clubs, pw is 47 or thereabouts, then I could have gotten (possibly 50, not sure) but deffo 52, 54, 56, 58 & 60. I know other manufacturers are similar

I was referring to the titleist AP1's where it goes 4,5,6,7,8,9,PW,W1,W2. Where W2 is 52 degrees so they couldn't dare call it a SW. Its just becoming farcical.

brady23 · 05-08-2016 01:51PM

I think PXG would be an interesting choice for McIlroy as they're clearly aimed at the high end market.
If they signed McIlroy and as the brand grows I wonder if they would attempt to release a lower priced range of clubs to appeal to a larger audience.
I think having McIlroy use your clubs, win with them etc is great for the company's profile but they'd still be so far out of the reach for normal people that I would question the financial benefit for PXG, arguably Nike would continue to be the biggest benefactor of his success through apparel.
Personally I think he would pick Titleist given his previous success with them but who knows from a financial perspective what the gap may be.

valoren · 05-08-2016 01:58PM

Just looked at PXG clubs.

€750 for a driver.
€315 for irons (each)
€500 for a putter.

That's some serious wonga.

Clubs for the '1%'

CMOTDibbler · 05-08-2016 02:05PM

Letree wrote: »

I was referring to the titleist AP1's where it goes 4,5,6,7,8,9,PW,W1,W2. Where W2 is 52 degrees so they couldn't dare call it a SW. Its just becoming farcical.

To be fair, their lofts are a bit lower than the normal. Their PW is 43° so the 'gap' wedge is 47° and the 'sand' wedge is as you say 52°. But there aren't two gap wedges in that lineup because the next loft up (assuming a 5° jump) would be 57° which is as near a lob wedge as you get.

Dbu · 05-08-2016 02:11PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Linky?

Have no idea how to share a tweet , but this is what Derek Murray said in a tweet on 3rd August

'TM currently up for sale by Adidas and new owners will be announced soon....'

Letree · 05-08-2016 02:11PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

To be fair, their lofts are a bit lower than the normal. Their PW is 43° so the 'gap' wedge is 47° and the 'sand' wedge is as you say 52°. But there aren't two gap wedges in that lineup because the next loft up (assuming a 5° jump) would be 57° which is as near a lob wedge as you get.

Its all part of the same problem, PW's and SW's have been part of the game for generations. The SW has to remain high lofted to get people out of bunkers so they couldn't strengthen its loft. They had no problem strengthening PW's though. Now we've ended up with large gaps due to the strengthening of the lofts. The lofts were strengthened so the manufacturer could claim more distance on their latest irons. A sales gimmick in effect. The AP1's have ended up with two gap wedges as a result.

CMOTDibbler · 05-08-2016 02:22PM

Letree wrote: »

Its all part of the same problem, PW's and SW's have been part of the game for generations. The SW has to remain high lofted to get people out of bunkers so they couldn't strengthen its loft. They had no problem strengthening PW's though. Now we've ended up with large gaps due to the strengthening of the lofts. The lofts were strengthened so the manufacturer could claim more distance on their latest irons. A sales gimmick in effect. The AP1's have ended up with two gap wedges as a result.

All manufacturers aren't taking the same approach

though. Taylormade's PSi irons are lofted weaker with the PW at 45.5° and the gap wedge and sand wedges at 50.5° and 55° respectively.

Letree · 05-08-2016 02:51PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

All manufacturers aren't taking the same approach though. Taylormade's PSi irons are lofted weaker with the PW at 45.5° and the gap wedge and sand wedges at 50.5° and 55° respectively.

45'5 is still pretty jacked. http://www.golfer-today.co.uk/how-loft-has-changed-on-irons/ The old PW's were 50 or so

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