Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

The Black Oil · 04-08-2016 10:47AM

Finally got a taste of that tiredness some of you have been talking about. Interesting...

jameshayes · 04-08-2016 10:51AM

The Black Oil wrote: »

Finally got a taste of that tiredness some of you have been talking about. Interesting...

:pac: it passes quick enough! A day off solved it for me - and some time away from marathon thinking

04-08-2016 10:53AM

Going to aim for 5:30 per km in the Rock and Roll Half Marathon this Sunday. Anything under 2 hours would be nice. I don't really want to push myself too hard. Anyone else doing it? I've done one before and got 2:05 with almost no training and gave myself a stress fracture for good measure.

jameshayes · 04-08-2016 10:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Going to aim for 5:30 per km in the Rock and Roll Half Marathon this Sunday. Anything under 2 hours would be nice. I don't really want to push myself too hard. Anyone else doing it? I've done one before and got 2:05 with almost no training and gave myself a stress fracture for good measure.

I was planning on a 1:50-1:55 finish but I was thinking of actually using it as training for running with pacers because I've never done it before - they have 2:00 pacers so I'm just going to follow them and maybe break away for the last KM or 2

kittyclaws · 04-08-2016 11:23AM

jameshayes wrote: »

well the R&R has an incline of 222 meters which wont help with that!! :eek:

I was looking at that - i'm thinking of walking the hills to be safe

I'll see what the physio recommends - at the moment I'm planning on taping it up and hoping for the best, maybe a swim tonight will loosen it out a bit

aceygray · 04-08-2016 11:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Going to aim for 5:30 per km in the Rock and Roll Half Marathon this Sunday. Anything under 2 hours would be nice. I don't really want to push myself too hard. Anyone else doing it? I've done one before and got 2:05 with almost no training and gave myself a stress fracture for good measure.

I'm doing it, but I will be using it as my LSR. So I'll go with a pacer - I'm thinking 2 hour or 2.15, and also do an easy warm up and cool down to take it up to 16 miles.

GOOSEPAUL · 04-08-2016 01:01PM

Went to the Physio, was meant to be Tuesday but he cancelled. So the good news is my knee is fine and I'm not doing enough stretching. Told me to get a foam roller and gave me some homework. Told me to do the stretches over the weekend and see how the knee feels on Sunday. If all goes well I can run the R&R.

tailgunner · 04-08-2016 01:27PM

The Muppet wrote: »

just wondering what the consensus is re fueling on the longer lsrs in the weeks ahead.

I've been experimenting on my lsrs with gels etc for a number of weeks now and I'm reasonably sure about what I will be doing on the big day.

Problem is I'm now sorta used to taking on fuel every half hour or so on the long runs , my feeling is this is too much in training. Should I not fuel and let the body do its thing with fat :eek:, fuel less or continue as is? Which of those options will best prepare me for Marathon Day?

Part of the idea of doing long, slow runs is to train your body to use fat as fuel, but if you're taking on a lot of gels during your long runs, your body isn't going to make that adaptation. So on the day, you'll be fully reliant on gels after two or three hours of running.

Personally, I don't think my stomach will be able to handle gels at that stage, so I'm trying to train my body not to expect any fuel beyond what it has stored as glycogen or fat. I'll take a few gels on the day to keep myself topped up for as long as I can, but I'm avoiding them for training.

Everyone is different of course, but that's the way I'm approaching things!

Firedance · 04-08-2016 01:33PM

The Muppet wrote: »

just wondering what the consensus is re fueling on the longer lsrs in the weeks ahead.

I've been experimenting on my lsrs with gels etc for a number of weeks now and I'm reasonably sure about what I will be doing on the big day.

Problem is I'm now sorta used to taking on fuel every half hour or so on the long runs , my feeling is this is too much in training. Should I not fuel and let the body do its thing with fat :eek:, fuel less or continue as is? Which of those options will best prepare me for Marathon Day?

Hey T, it's fine to stop using them once you're happy you can stomach them. I'd try on mid race for the HM though under race conditions as you'll be running much faster.

tailgunner wrote: »

Part of the idea of doing long, slow runs is to train your body to use fat as fuel, but if you're taking on a lot of gels during your long runs, your body isn't going to make that adaptation. So on the day, you'll be fully reliant on gels after two or three hours of running.

Personally, I don't think my stomach will be able to handle gels at that stage, so I'm trying to train my body not to expect any fuel beyond what it has stored as glycogen or fat. I'll take a few gels on the day to keep myself topped up for as long as I can, but I'm avoiding them for training.

Everyone is different of course, but that's the way I'm approaching things!

This is good as long as you've at least tried one or two at some point in your training TG. Rule no 1 - don't try anything new on race day

The Muppet · 04-08-2016 02:47PM

Cheers. I'll drop them so this week and see how I get on. Body Fat it is for feuling .

Will use one in the HM FD . Not sure I'll be racing that one though I'm thinking of running it and the frank duffy at pmp .

Maximus Alexander · 04-08-2016 02:49PM

Might weigh myself before and after the marathon. You'd imagine there'd be at least a couple of pounds in the difference between water and fat loss.

Firedance · 04-08-2016 02:49PM

The Muppet wrote: »

Cheers. I'll drop them so this week and see how I get on. Body Fat it is for feuling .

Will use one in the HM FD . Not sure I'll be racing that one though I'm thinking of running it and the frank duffy at pmp .

That's perfect though, you'll be testing out a gel at your planned marathon pace in a race environment

Singer · 04-08-2016 03:11PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Might weigh myself before and after the marathon. You'd imagine there'd be at least a couple of pounds in the difference between water and fat loss.

I think I lost about 3kg last year.

paddydriver · 04-08-2016 03:19PM

Szilvike wrote: »

It looks like I have to take at least 7 days off running. Went to the physio today, he thinks I might have a bit of cartilage damage behind my kneecap. Gave me exercises and told me not to run and try not to even walk unless I have to, for a week. Will go back next Friday and see what he says... Also recommended to have an MRI done on my knee.

I really, really hope that the rest and the exercises will help and I can come back to you guys very soon! If I can't do the boards plan, I hope at least I can continue with the HHN1.

Happy running for the rest of the week everyone and mind your bodies!!!

Hope all good soon.. Look forward to seeing you back!

paddydriver · 04-08-2016 03:25PM

The Muppet wrote: »

just wondering what the consensus is re fueling on the longer lsrs in the weeks ahead.

I've been experimenting on my lsrs with gels etc for a number of weeks now and I'm reasonably sure about what I will be doing on the big day.

Problem is I'm now sorta used to taking on fuel every half hour or so on the long runs , my feeling is this is too much in training. Should I not fuel and let the body do its thing with fat :eek:, fuel less or continue as is? Which of those options will best prepare me for Marathon Day?

Have had this quandary myself as for so long I heard of people talking about stomach issues etc with gels so was worried when trying them out. As it turns out, Thankfully, I have had no issues with them and I am now decided that the High5 one's are the best to go with as they are easiest to take and taste the best. Even comes down to fact that they seem to open the easiest too so can be taken on the move.

I now take one about 20 mins before my long runs and then another aftyer circa 13-14k. I will take the regular "EnergyGel" beforehand as I can have water with that and then take the "ISOGel" when out on the run as I may not have water to hand at that time. As regards the "+" ones that contain Caffeine, I have taken these too and no ill effects either but have not noticed any real difference with these.

If I think of last Monday's DLR 10k and last nights 8M as examples; these are probably the 2 x best runs I have had and both were gel assisted.

Hope this helps..

paddydriver · 04-08-2016 03:35PM

Went out on what is probably the longest prescribed mid-week run last night and was delighted with how it went. I didn't get out till close to 9PM and evening had cooled off so that possibly helped. Was still windy and also drizzled for 2nd half of run too but that helped cool me down.

I aim for the 1M w/u by way of the 1.5km run up to Deer Park, then 5 or 6 laps of the park, followed by a 1.5km c/d on way home. I stuck to this and was happy with the 6 full laps at PMP (circa 5.7-6M)

I think this was a the first run that I really just consistently ran at PMP for a concerted distance and it felt good! It gave me belief that with the following few months of continued prep I can be confident, and everyone else too!, that we can achieve our goals in the main event.

On another note.. I went out last night in a new pair of Adidas Supernova Glide 8's that I got from Adidas.ie during the week - what a fantastic pair of runners! They really worked well and have great cushioning. I have a neutral running posture so don't need to consider over-pronating etc, in fact I would be more so under-pronate if anything. Would really recommend these runners to anyone looking for a really comfy pair of neutral runners.

It was only when I added in my new runners to my Garmin that I saw that I had clocked up nearly 700km on my previous Mizuno Wave Rider's just shy of 300k..:P (Was misunderstanding my Garmin.. didn't have the Mizuno' against runs earlier in the year but it was thinking I had completed them in the Mizuno's) - even though I still thought of them as my "new" running runners.

Anyway, keep up the great running everyone! Great to see some good reports coming in on progress made!

Battery Kinzie · 04-08-2016 04:01PM

paddydriver wrote: »

It was only when I added in my new runners to my Garmin that I saw that I had clocked up nearly 700km on my previous Mizuno Wave Rider's - even though I still thought of them as my "new" running runners.

Heh, I just checked my ridiculously nerdy spreadsheet and noticed that my 'new' runners have just over 500k in them. I would've guessed about 300k max!

Maximus Alexander · 04-08-2016 04:06PM

According to Strava I've got this:

ASICS GT-1000 (White) 520.5 km
ASICS DS Trainer 20 (Blue) 21.2 km
ASICS GT-1000 (Blue) 106.6 km
ASICS DS Trainer 20 (Green) 440.5 km

I consider all of those pairs 'new'. :eek:

paddydriver · 04-08-2016 04:08PM

Battery Kinzie wrote: »

Heh, I just checked my ridiculously nerdy spreadsheet and noticed that my 'new' runners have just over 500k in them. I would've guessed about 300k max!

I've been told plenty of differing distances.. but sometimes by vest interests in running shops. I would not consider my Mizuno's done at all and do plan to rotate with my new Adidas.

Updated my post too as I had misread the Garmin stats.. think they are definitely good for a few hundred more Km's.

paddydriver · 04-08-2016 04:11PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

According to Strava I've got this:

ASICS GT-1000 (White) 520.5 km
ASICS DS Trainer 20 (Blue) 21.2 km
ASICS GT-1000 (Blue) 106.6 km
ASICS DS Trainer 20 (Green) 440.5 km

I consider all of those pairs 'new'. :eek:

As long as the White GT-1000's are still looking White then you should be OK..:D

Had a quick look around at some of the runners being worn at the DLR 10k on Monday and some of them were in rag order.. surely this cannot be good for the legs when runners are just totally past sell by date?

Battery Kinzie · 04-08-2016 04:16PM

paddydriver wrote: »

I've been told plenty of differing distances.. but sometimes by vest interests in running shops. I would not consider my Mizuno's done at all and do plan to rotate with my new Adidas.

Updated my post too as I had misread the Garmin stats.. think they are definitely good for a few hundred more Km's.

Ive heard 500-800k, but my older pair have just over 1000k in them, and I still use them once or twice a week for easy runs and havent had trouble yet.

kin9pin · 04-08-2016 04:20PM

paddydriver wrote: »

On another note.. I went out last night in a new pair of Adidas Supernova Glide 8's that I got from Adidas.ie during the week - what a fantastic pair of runners! They really worked well and have great cushioning. I have a neutral running posture so don't need to consider over-pronating etc, in fact I would be more so under-pronate if anything. Would really recommend these runners to anyone looking for a really comfy pair of neutral runners

Saucony Ride 9's are also a great neutral shoe. I'm rotating 2 pairs at the moment so one of them will be my DCM pair.

tony1980 · 04-08-2016 04:25PM

kin9pin wrote: »

Saucony Ride 9's are also a great neutral shoe. I'm rotating 2 pairs at the moment so one of them will be my DCM pair.

Using the 7's myself from sportsshoes.com and I think they can be got for about 52 GBP instead of getting the newer versions. Great shoe, never had hassle with them.

paddydriver · 04-08-2016 04:30PM

tony1980 wrote: »

Using the 7's myself from sportsshoes.com and I think they can be got for about 52 GBP instead of getting the newer versions. Great shoe, never had hassle with them.

I got the Adidas with a discount code my nephew got me from Adidas.. wasn't spending the list €130 on them! :eek:

Think not much more time to be tinkering with runners at this stage so hoping these work out well.. still some life in the Mizuno's yet though..:D

paddydriver · 04-08-2016 04:32PM

kin9pin wrote: »

Saucony Ride 9's are also a great neutral shoe. I'm rotating 2 pairs at the moment so one of them will be my DCM pair.

Think I may have tried them in Amphibian King when I got my Mizuno's but fit wasn't right - in fairness to them, they were a more expensive pair of runners but they didn't push them.

kin9pin · 04-08-2016 04:38PM

paddydriver wrote: »

Think I may have tried them in Amphibian King when I got my Mizuno's but fit wasn't right - in fairness to them, they were a more expensive pair of runners but they didn't push them.

Yeah got mine there. You raise a great point as I tried Mizuno's and Asics but the Saucony were the best fit for me. Fit really is individual and it makes so much sense to get fitted in-store rather than buy a new brand "blind".

scotindublin · 04-08-2016 06:03PM

Picked up a foam roller and the Marathon Pack gels in Lidl on the way home (don't worry nop this was posted run).

So far I have been surviving on water and Wine Gums on my long runs!

RasTa · 04-08-2016 06:36PM

Hmmm, the old left ankle is a bit tender and swollen at the back.

tony1980 · 04-08-2016 07:13PM

Popped into Lidl on the way home, all the Marathon packs and gels were already gone :-(

mel.b · 04-08-2016 07:14PM

tony1980 wrote: »

Popped into Lidl on the way home, all the Marathon packs and gels were already gone :-(

My Lidl didn't even get any of the Marathon packs or gels in :mad:

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