Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

MilesMorales1 · 01-08-2016 11:13AM

But neither PS4/XB1 had a netflix or youtube app built in, it had to downloaded, same as on Wii U. And it took the PS4 like, at least a year if not longer to gain the ability to play MP3's. I'm not sure even sure how straightforward the process is. And the Wii U memory is done through a memory stick if your so inclined, its pretty simple.

riclad · 01-08-2016 12:12PM

Every 50 euro smart phone has a youtube,app ,and mp3 player ,music player built in.
IF they want to its easy to do this ,the xbox 360 slim has a youtube app and media player preloaded .I would expect the dock to have a wifi chip built in and an ethernet port for digital downloads .the
Xbox 360 uses basic 2007 technology .
my hauwei smartphone has more ram, and a faster cpu than the sony laptop i bought new in 2009.

Andrew76 · 01-08-2016 01:26PM

riclad wrote: »

Every 50 euro smart phone has a youtube,app ,and mp3 player ,music player built in.

So why not use your phone to do things that phones already do. And anyone who surfs the internet on a console browser must be mad - same as using a web browser on a smart tv. Phones & tablets will always be better for that kind of thing.

But they probably will deliver the standard apps although they aren't going to sell the system, doesn't interest me personally anyway as I'll be buying it to play games (if I buy it).

sligeach · 01-08-2016 02:02PM

Andrew76 wrote: »

So why not use your phone to do things that phones already do. And anyone who surfs the internet on a console browser must be mad - same as using a web browser on a smart tv. Phones & tablets will always be better for that kind of thing.

But they probably will deliver the standard apps although they aren't going to sell the system, doesn't interest me personally anyway as I'll be buying it to play games (if I buy it).

I much prefer using the gamepad for browsing rather than my smart phone. Smart phone has its advantages like portability and connectivity but it's horrible for typing and the screen is too small(and I've a large smart phone screen).

Andrew76 · 01-08-2016 02:29PM

sligeach wrote: »

I much prefer using the gamepad for browsing rather than my smart phone. Smart phone has its advantages like portability and connectivity but it's horrible for typing and the screen is too small(and I've a large smart phone screen).

I use an SP4 myself, the game pad doesn't work outside the room my Wii-U is in which is useless. Anyway, the NX's ability to watch Youtube or surf the net is a sideshow, it needs to be a machine that plays great games first and foremost.

Banjo · 01-08-2016 02:29PM

Andrew76 wrote: »

So why not use your phone to do things that phones already do.

Simple : They want to succeed. And success will be judged by how many people buy the console. And the simple fact* is that the decision to purchase the console will, for many non-hard-core-nintendites, be driven by various factors that you probably don't consider important. Is Game X on it? Can I use it with streaming service Y? Does it come in colour Z? And Nintendo want to answer as many of those esoteric questions with a Yes as possible for the broadest possible appeal. You want everyone out there with a pocket or a bag to have to come up with a reason NOT to buy it.

So there need to be options. There needs to be gaming, gaming related services, non-gaming related services etc etc. It doesn't matter whether you personally make use of these features, it only matters that someone picking up the NX box in the shops might see that feature and wonder how they'll make use of it as they wander, fugue-like, towards the cash desk. Make the phone work for it's place in your pocket.

*actual factualness may vary from advertised

Andrew76 · 01-08-2016 02:49PM

Banjo wrote: »

Simple : They want to succeed. And success will be judged by how many people buy the console. And the simple fact* is that the decision to purchase the console will, for many non-hard-core-nintendites, be driven by various factors that you probably don't consider important. Is Game X on it? Can I use it with streaming service Y? Does it come in colour Z? And Nintendo want to answer as many of those esoteric questions with a Yes as possible for the broadest possible appeal. You want everyone out there with a pocket or a bag to have to come up with a reason NOT to buy it.

So there need to be options. There needs to be gaming, gaming related services, non-gaming related services etc etc. It doesn't matter whether you personally make use of these features, it only matters that someone picking up the NX box in the shops might see that feature and wonder how they'll make use of it as they wander, fugue-like, towards the cash desk. Make the phone work for it's place in your pocket.

*actual factualness may vary from advertised

Options are good, but I'd be very surprised if someone put's the NX box back on the shelf because it doesn't have a Youtube sticker on it or because it doesn't play mp3's (do people even do that anymore?). It's main selling point will be gaming related, not as a media centre/frankenstein device.

tony1980 · 01-08-2016 02:59PM

A non gamer friend of mine was purchasing a 2DS recently for their son, first thing they wanted to know was if youtube was available on it. I use my phone for all those things and have no interest in non gaming features that will be available on the NX but for the casuals, it seems in this day and age, it has to be or they will have no interest unfortunately.

riclad · 01-08-2016 03:43PM

Will they make a console with easy to use simple controllers that are designed for human hands .That have good battery life.
Kids these days expect youtube and a browser on every device
and wifi .
Eurogamer says tests on the tegra android tablet shows the nx can run gamecube and wii games at 60fps using an emulator ,
If nintendo want to do so.

Banjo · 01-08-2016 04:13PM

Andrew76 wrote: »

Options are good, but I'd be very surprised if someone put's the NX box back on the shelf because it doesn't have a Youtube sticker on it or because it doesn't play mp3's (do people even do that anymore?). It's main selling point will be gaming related, not as a media centre/frankenstein device.

Different people want different things. The more things you have in your box of tricks, the more different people you can appeal to. There is limited space under the TV. Some people will be happy to have a dedicated hardware for every function - a gaming device, a streaming device, an audio decoder etc etc. The kind of person who is too good to put tea bags in the kettle, you know what I mean? But the generic person wants everything in 1 box and if you don't believe me then take your phone out of your pocket and look at all the unnecessary crap they've crammed into it in the last 10 years. And maybe ask yourself "didn't I used to own a point-n-click camera? a diary? a watch? a sat-nav? "

I'm losing the run of my argument now, but basically we're in Xtravision territory now for home consoles. If you refuse to move with the times and insist of remaining a dedicated gaming platform - which barely worked for the Gamecube 15 years ago - that does very little else, you're dead. There are other solutions that do the same as you do - maybe not better, but that's a matter of perspective and we can all agree they do it well enough - and so much more. But move too much and the gaming aspect starts to almost not matter so much, and soon you're a shop that sells greetings cards and popcorn with the DVD rentals stuck on a half-shelf down the back that used to be reserved for Gamecube games back in the day... metaphorically speaking.

So yeah, I'm hoping that Nintendo are looking at the phone market's pacman-esque strategy and stroking their beards a little. Not because I want a ridiculously expensive unit that does everything in one handy form factor, but because I want to see them continue making the games I want to play for as long as I can play them.

ERG89 · 01-08-2016 04:43PM

Andrew76 wrote: »

Options are good, but I'd be very surprised if someone put's the NX box back on the shelf because it doesn't have a Youtube sticker on it or because it doesn't play mp3's (do people even do that anymore?). It's main selling point will be gaming related, not as a media centre/frankenstein device.

I assume by mp3's he was thinking of the media player on other systems. That play all the stuff you download on torrent sites (let's face it that's what it is). Having YouTube on the system out of the box as a sort of boast is dumb tbh. Just ask people to download it like everyone else does. Far from a system seller when phones & even the 3DS have YouTube already.
This system is all about the price & controller functionality. Battery life, when you dock it how do you play it, are they allowing digital backwards compatability unlike before, the screen quality of the handheld & the main part how they communicate with customers about why they need an nx in the first place.

CiDeRmAn · 01-08-2016 06:21PM

I'm still awaiting the cheesecake announcement, the lack of which is concerning.

Andrew76 · 01-08-2016 07:26PM

Banjo wrote: »

Different people want different things. The more things you have in your box of tricks, the more different people you can appeal to. There is limited space under the TV. Some people will be happy to have a dedicated hardware for every function - a gaming device, a streaming device, an audio decoder etc etc. The kind of person who is too good to put tea bags in the kettle, you know what I mean? But the generic person wants everything in 1 box and if you don't believe me then take your phone out of your pocket and look at all the unnecessary crap they've crammed into it in the last 10 years. And maybe ask yourself "didn't I used to own a point-n-click camera? a diary? a watch? a sat-nav? "

I'm losing the run of my argument now, but basically we're in Xtravision territory now for home consoles. If you refuse to move with the times and insist of remaining a dedicated gaming platform - which barely worked for the Gamecube 15 years ago - that does very little else, you're dead. There are other solutions that do the same as you do - maybe not better, but that's a matter of perspective and we can all agree they do it well enough - and so much more. But move too much and the gaming aspect starts to almost not matter so much, and soon you're a shop that sells greetings cards and popcorn with the DVD rentals stuck on a half-shelf down the back that used to be reserved for Gamecube games back in the day... metaphorically speaking.

So yeah, I'm hoping that Nintendo are looking at the phone market's pacman-esque strategy and stroking their beards a little. Not because I want a ridiculously expensive unit that does everything in one handy form factor, but because I want to see them continue making the games I want to play for as long as I can play them.

Nobody is saying that though. I'm just saying it's main selling point will (and should) be as a gaming device. All the better if it has the extra's that might attract more casual folk (and keep parity with all the other devices that have them also). Of course we all want it to sell more so Nintendo hang around longer making the games we want.

OwaynOTT · 01-08-2016 08:15PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I'm still awaiting the cheesecake announcement, the lack of which is concerning.

Lemon or they can go fup themselves

CiDeRmAn · 01-08-2016 11:19PM

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Lemon or they can go fup themselves

Exactly.
Bailey's and I'll cancel my preorder

sligeach · 01-08-2016 11:21PM

Ubisoft to announce “other surprises” for NX at a later date

Ubisoft announced Just Dance 2017 as its first NX title during E3 2016. However, the publisher has more support planned for the system beyond that one game.

Speaking with GamesIndustry, Ubisoft head of EMEA Alain Corre teased:
“We announced that we’re developing Just Dance for NX and we have other surprises that we will announce later, but we also believe Nintendo has the power to reinvent the way families are playing. Nintendo is a fantastic powerhouse of brands that are really cherished by a lot of fans and families… I am still impressed by the reoccurrence of success and appetite even today for the Nintendo franchises on the current system.”

Unfortunately, Corre did not provide any hints as to what Ubisoft is planning. We’ll hopefully learn more when NX is unveiled later this year.

http://nintendoeverything.com/ubisoft-to-announce-other-surprises-for-nx-at-a-later-date/

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-08-01-ubisoft-our-vr-games-will-be-profitable

Not impressed by yet more chat of "families". That is not the kind of games I want from them. Hopefully, it's something like Beyond Good & Evil 2, Rayman or The Division.

CiDeRmAn · 01-08-2016 11:29PM

The thing I love, or a thing I love about Nintendo hardware is they are games machines first and foremost.
Not a media hub.
Not a streaming box.
A games machine.

No one needs another device to play avi files or Netflix, what people want is to play the best games possible.
The WiiU did that, with the best games of this gen, but the games people seemed to want, GTA remastered, CoD with all the DLC available, the latest that EA have to offer.
Let's hope the NX, whatever it turns out to be, can be all things to all gamers.

Banjo · 02-08-2016 10:54AM

Well… for some of us it wouldn't be another device. But I digress….

I don't want the NX to be a media centre. I want to play great games, and on the Wii U I got to do exactly that, with the added bonus of the single greatest gaming gimic of all time, Off TV. But I've been on the Nintendo train as a monoconsoler since the SNES.

They're not going to succeed long term by pleasing the gamers who are already on the train. Looking at the Gamecube and Wii U sales figures will show you that those dyed-in-the-wool numbers are dwindling. You need to capture the undecideds, the multiconsolers, the rich auntie christmas shoppers and the Idon'tnormallyplaygamesbutters.

You don't do that by having the best games. It should be enough, more than enough, but it's not. It's the same in all walks of life. It's about marketing and perception. People like to be associated with something that's successful, so something that appears to be successful through whatever cruel confluence of events can create a wave that carries them forward to the success they appeared to have regardless of how mediocre that product or person might be. It's the Kevin James principle. Betamax was the better format. The Gamecube should have had twice the shelf space of the Xbox. Why the hell is Thomas Hayden Church doing voice-over work and shorts while Kevin James is worth $80 million. US dollars, not Zimbabwean. And it works both ways. People have been talking about the Wii U failing almost since release day, which has put anyone not already in the know off buying it, which made it come true (or at least contributed).

If the NX does not at least attempt to compete on power, you start that wave. If the NX does not at least attempt to compete on services, you start that wave. If the NX does not knock it out of the flipping park on day one with releases that don't emphasise whatever the gimics are, but also don't eschew the gimic entirely but either way Edge will crucify you, you start the wave. Nintendo have a lot of money to buy a lot of surf boards, but really, they don't need another wave. And you can already see in the media, it's starting to swell and the flipping thing hasn't even been announced yet.

Also, cheesecake is almost universally disappointing and ridiculously high in Saturated Fats. Might I recommend a simple but highly effective Affogato?

CiDeRmAn · 02-08-2016 12:16PM

Don't knock cheesecake Banjo, and it's possible role in the NX becoming a world superpower if they get the option right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqrhdYQ_wMg

The same Know-it-all numpties will be emerging once the console/device is revealed with the usual brainless rhetoric "Nintendo is for kids!" and trying to affect the agenda and own the narrative on the machine so the console becomes poisoned before it even gets in the hands of possible purchasers.
Then the same social media opinion makers will sit back with a self satisfied smile having matter to someone about something, before going back to abusing themselves in their mother attic, while wearing her wedding dress....

I don't like those people, in case you were wondering.....

CiDeRmAn · 04-08-2016 11:32AM

Wow, two days and no NX news...
Just familiarising myself with the whole Tegra X thingy and found myself getting a little excited.
This is not the Sonic Cycle.
I can get excited without worrying about certain doom and disappointment laying ahead, in the long grass.

A Sonic game people have legit hope in not sucking, the Nintendo NX with a potentially cutting edge chipset... strange times.

sligeach · 04-08-2016 12:05PM

2 days, eh? We can't be having that.

Pokémon, Mario and Zelda headline NX 'dream' line-up

Nintendo is putting together a triple-A software line-up, to ensure NX flies out of the gate next year.

Developer Game Freak will bring Pokémon to the platform, while Nintendo’s first party titles include the previously announced Zelda game – Breath of the Wild – and a new Mario game. All three products are scheduled to appear within the first six months of the machine’s life.

The firm has also been busy securing third-party support, with Sega, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Activision and Warner Bros already on-board.

Sources close to Nintendo have told MCV that the firm is determined that NX will not suffer the same slow start as either the Wii U or 3DS.

The same sources confirmed that the Eurogamer report last week - which revealed that NX will be a portable machine that can be plugged into a TV and features a breakaway controller – is ‘100 per cent accurate’.

Game graphics will be ‘somewhere between a PS3 and PS4’, with Nintendo targeting an audience that sits between smartphone gamers and the more hardcore users of PS4 and Xbox One.

“It’s a nice bit of kit, a bit of a novelty, but a good one,” said one exec that has got hands on with the machine. “It won’t appeal to PS4 fans. Nintendo seems set on trying to upgrade smartphone gamers. That’s going to be a big job for the marketing department.”

NX is currently slated to launch in March next year worldwide.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pok-mon-mario-and-zelda-headline-nx-dream-line-up/

CiDeRmAn · 04-08-2016 12:44PM

To be honest, slow start is symptomatic of nearly every new console/handheld to the market.
It's arguable that the current gen consoles are only really breaking out of it now, and that one of them is still in the launch slump, a couple of years later.
A NX, launching with both new software and a solid lineup of ports from the WiiU, would be amazing.
An NX, with a port of Splatoon and Mario Kart 8, as well as new Legend of Zelda would be incredible.

I would note that EA aren't in the list of supporting developers/publishers, and the ones that are mentioned are the old reliables, who brought product of variable quality to the WiiU.

MilesMorales1 · 04-08-2016 02:25PM

Sun and Moon remaster then. Cool.

ERG89 · 04-08-2016 02:37PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Sun and Moon remaster then. Cool.

Or the Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum equivalent.
Cloud? Sky?
It's not a stretch saying there will be a Mario game in the first year of launch. Hard to know with Pokemon though. It's coming but I expect Pikmin & others first.....Metroid in particular is missed

MilesMorales1 · 04-08-2016 02:46PM

Very short turn around if it was, a year or less.

Pac1Man · 04-08-2016 04:27PM

I'm not liking these quotes of "won't appeal to PS4 fans" and "will suit families" etc. How do they know this? Maybe wait until the thing is released before making those snap judgements?

Don't know why that annoys me.

The_B_Man · 04-08-2016 04:45PM

Just thinking here (and sorry if this has been discussed already).
So the rumours are that Nvidia will power the NX. From my limited knowledge, this is ARM, which obviously is different to the PS4 and XBOX (AMD + x86?) so the early comments about it being easy to port games to was inaccurate.

Now, there's a lot of Tegra games out there on Android (and iOS?). so maybe THAT is what they meant when they said it was easy to port to!! Not easy from PS4/XBOX -> NX, but easy from Android -> NX!

Am I way off here?

CiDeRmAn · 04-08-2016 06:02PM

I've no idea what the choice of Tegra X1, or X2, architecture might mean for the new console aside from making it a capable piece of hardware and, maybe, allowing it to avoid the sort of bottlenecks x86 derived systems have.
Who knows, it's all going to come down to the rest of us getting to see, not just a fancy form factor and a snazzy GUI, but some games running at high resolution (for a console) and blowing our socks off.
With Activision on board we can probably back on one of the launch games being COD:Infinite Warfare, and if they've any sense we'll get the COD4:MW remaster bundled with it.
Activision ported decent versions of Ghosts and Black Ops 2 to the WiiU, and have a good record of porting their titles to the Nintendo DS and Wii.
A 1080p full fat, non-diet version of CoD, playing on the go, with proper multiplayer and DLC support could be huge.

CiDeRmAn · 05-08-2016 08:00AM

Here's exactly the same kind of nasty click bait that contributed to the WiiU failure, but aimed squarely at the NX, a console that hasn't even been revealed yet, with the head line
"10 Wii U Games to Play Before the Nintendo NX Ruins Everything"
https://www.inverse.com/article/19222-nintendo-wii-u-nx-zelda-mario-smash-bros

Oddly, after some strange Nintendo bashing, it goes on to celebrate a set of the WiiU's best releases, but it otherwise reflects the negative narrative space Nintendo now inhabits, further suggesting that, regardless of how well Nintendo perform as a games developer they fail as a hardware developer.
And all this with no justification, given the hardware success they've had over decades.

CastorTroy · 05-08-2016 12:41PM

Got all but Tokyo Mirage

Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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