Christianophobia

DEFTLEFTHAND · 01-08-2016 04:17AM #1

I feel the rise of anti Christian sentiment in Irish society and media. It seems to be ok to take a shot at these people and ridicule them for their beliefs.

I know it's a wider issue, Judeo Christian culture which built the west and forged many of it's values is seen as the establishment. Far leftists want to tear down the establishment. Raging against what has served our people well for centuries.

I was one of these guys too in college but when I matured a little I realised how childish my views were. I've never had a bad experience with the CC. When somebody close to me committed suicide I sat by his coffin at the wake for a couple of hours with a Priest and he was just a lovely man, he explained to me how only God can judge the dead and not man.

I think the basic tenants of Christianity are good, they're followers of Christ and the New Testament. I like the whole ethos of 'Hate the Sin, not the Sinner.'

jimmy blevins · 01-08-2016 04:39AM

If Christians asked themselves "what would Jesus do?" the world would undoubtedly be a better place, that can't be said for all prophets.

endacl · 01-08-2016 04:53AM

jimmy blevins wrote: »

If Christians asked themselves "what would Jesus do?" the world would undoubtedly be a better place, that can't be said for all prophets.

Depends on the answer they provide themselves, and the action believed appropriate based on that answer.

'What should I do', as a reasonably decent person, does the trick for me.

Wompa1 · 01-08-2016 04:53AM

jimmy blevins wrote: »

If Christians asked themselves "what would Jesus do?" the world would undoubtedly be a better place, that can't be said for all prophets.

Jesus turned a blind eye to an awful lot of heinous sh1t going on in that part of the world at the time, if you consider the 10 commandments doesn't mention slavery, among other things...granted, it's all BS.

Wompa1 · 01-08-2016 04:59AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I feel the rise of anti Christian sentiment in Irish society and media. It seems to be ok to take a shot at these people and ridicule them for their beliefs.

I know it's a wider issue, Judeo Christian culture which built the west and forged many of it's values is seen as the establishment. Far leftists want to tear down the establishment. Raging against what has served our people well for centuries.

I was one of these guys too in college but when I matured a little I realised how childish my views were. I've never had a bad experience with the CC. When somebody close to me committed suicide I sat by his coffin at the wake for a couple of hours with a Priest and he was just a lovely man, he explained to me how only God can judge the dead and not man.

I think the basic tenants of Christianity are good, they're followers of Christ and the New Testament. I like the whole ethos of 'Hate the Sin, not the Sinner.'

Do you need a religion to teach people that?....

DEFTLEFTHAND · 01-08-2016 05:13AM

The irony of it all is that Jesus was a hippy in a day modern context. He was anti establishment to the core.

He preached the word of his father until he was nailed to a cross.

01-08-2016 05:21AM

Inside the secular, liberal mind:

Christianophobia = acceptable
Islamophobia = unacceptable, racist, fascist. Nazi, bigot, etc.

The real world: neither are valid terms because they are not irrational fears and religion should never be above criticism. Both have led to the slaughter of millions of people and both continue the divide humans into hate-mongering groups. That's the whole propose behind the Abrahamic faiths, power and subjugation of the people.

Morals pre-date Christianity, so Christianity can't claims to have created morals in the West. They may have enforced them alright, but they Christians are also the reason why homosexuality was demonized in Europe and is still demonized in Africa. Christianity used demonize children born outside of wedlock and created the Magdalene asylums for the mothers.

Not a fan of the Jewish practice of circumcision. We need our foreskin to protect the gland from developing a callus or else teh penis will go numb and you won't get an organism. Forcing that on 13 year olds is child abuse.

The sooner the Abrahamic faiths die out, the better. We have less war and division on this planet.

TSMGUY · 01-08-2016 06:45AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I feel the rise of anti Christian sentiment in Irish society and media. It seems to be ok to take a shot at these people and ridicule them for their beliefs.

I know it's a wider issue, Judeo Christian culture which built the west and forged many of it's values is seen as the establishment. Far leftists want to tear down the establishment. Raging against what has served our people well for centuries.

I was one of these guys too in college but when I matured a little I realised how childish my views were. I've never had a bad experience with the CC. When somebody close to me committed suicide I sat by his coffin at the wake for a couple of hours with a Priest and he was just a lovely man, he explained to me how only God can judge the dead and not man.

I think the basic tenants of Christianity are good, they're followers of Christ and the New Testament. I like the whole ethos of 'Hate the Sin, not the Sinner.'

As it should be, any group/philosophy/belief system should be fair game for criticism, contradiction and challenges. We live in a democracy with freedom of speech so unless you want to bring back those arbitrary and imbecilic decency/blasphemy censorship laws, that's the way things will be.

That being said, I understand your indignation. There is a burgeoning anti-Christian sentiment that seems not just to ridicule the religion but paint all Christians with the same derogatory brush and brand all "believers" as gullible morons simply because of their religion. A lot of that is due to smug Richard Dawkins style atheism that's belligerently anti-religion and claims to have a monopoly on religion, which is obviously wrong. There are many smart, articulate Christians and many irrational atheists - it's really a silly metric for intelligence.

After centuries of influencing every sphere of public life and behaving in a very shady and dictatorial way, it was inevitable the Church would face some backlash and to be honest it deserves a lot of it given it had such an inordinate role in public life for so long in Ireland, often on the wrong side of issues as well.

Cliffs
The Church deserves criticism
Christians don't (unless, of course, they try to undo the separation between Church and State. It's downright silly that abortion isn't allowed in this country.)

Canis Lupus · 01-08-2016 08:51AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The irony of it all is that Jesus was a hippy in a day modern context. He was anti establishment to the core.

He preached the word of his father until he was nailed to a cross.

Presuming that Jesus existed of course.

Personally I think it's all a load of bollox and the entire thing should be made fun of.

SpannerMonkey · 01-08-2016 08:55AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I feel the rise of anti Christian sentiment in Irish society and media. It seems to be ok to take a shot at these people and ridicule them for their beliefs.

I know it's a wider issue, Judeo Christian culture which built the west and forged many of it's values is seen as the establishment. Far leftists want to tear down the establishment. Raging against what has served our people well for centuries.

I was one of these guys too in college but when I matured a little I realised how childish my views were. I've never had a bad experience with the CC. When somebody close to me committed suicide I sat by his coffin at the wake for a couple of hours with a Priest and he was just a lovely man, he explained to me how only God can judge the dead and not man.

I think the basic tenants of Christianity are good, they're followers of Christ and the New Testament. I like the whole ethos of 'Hate the Sin, not the Sinner.'

while im not a religious person i do agree with you . there is a lot of hate from people and most of it is not because of anything that the church did to that individual person .

unfortunately though the church had a lot of bad eggs in it over the years and they are dragging the whole thing down

LuckyRoche · 01-08-2016 08:57AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Presuming that Jesus existed of course.

Personally I think it's all a load of bollox and the entire thing should be made fun of.

It's historical fact that Jesus did exist.

Canis Lupus · 01-08-2016 09:00AM

LuckyRoche wrote: »

It's historical fact that Jesus did exist.

Nope. Try again.

TSMGUY · 01-08-2016 09:01AM

LuckyRoche wrote: »

It's historical fact that Jesus did exist.

Oh God....

(I actually agree with you but this debate never ends with one side going "Oh yeah, I guess you're right." Pointless debate to have because both sides' views are already set in stone.)

Penny Tration · 01-08-2016 09:30AM

I don't like islam and I don't like Christianity.

I respect anyone who chooses to believe in these religions, once they are peaceful and don't use their beliefs for nefarious purposes, and I don't have a problem with anyone believing in a religion I dislike.

So am I islamophobic or some crap?

suicide_circus · 01-08-2016 09:45AM

Always remember the way organised religions behave when they have real power and authority. It's never pretty.

The Judeo-Christian (including islam which is just a plagiarism of both) tradition is essentially that we are born "sick" and commanded to be well. It is at its very core immoral.

Mister Vain · 01-08-2016 09:47AM

I honestly thought this was going to be a thread about Cristiano Ronaldo.

The_Valeyard · 01-08-2016 09:50AM

Mister Vain wrote: »

I honestly thought this was going to be a thread about Cristiano Ronaldo.

That be fun.

But give it time, the atheists will soon arise to ridicule Christianity and profess their beliefs as to why they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Canis Lupus · 01-08-2016 09:51AM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

the atheists will soon arise to ridicule Christianity and profess their beliefs as to why they are right and everyone else is wrong

Like the religious have been doing for centuries.

Brian? · 01-08-2016 09:53AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I feel the rise of anti Christian sentiment in Irish society and media. It seems to be ok to take a shot at these people and ridicule them for their beliefs.

I know it's a wider issue, Judeo Christian culture which built the west and forged many of it's values is seen as the establishment. Far leftists want to tear down the establishment. Raging against what has served our people well for centuries.

I was one of these guys too in college but when I matured a little I realised how childish my views were. I've never had a bad experience with the CC. When somebody close to me committed suicide I sat by his coffin at the wake for a couple of hours with a Priest and he was just a lovely man, he explained to me how only God can judge the dead and not man.

I think the basic tenants of Christianity are good, they're followers of Christ and the New Testament. I like the whole ethos of 'Hate the Sin, not the Sinner.'

The problem is 99% of Christians don't live by "hate the sin, not the sinner". The Catholic Church spent hundreds of years spelling bile and hatred from the pulpit, just because individual priests are nice lads we can't forget this.

You may have never been directly harmed, but what about the children in laundries and work houses? What about The kids molested by priests who the church hierarchy knew were paedophiles and protected? What about the women forced to travel to England for abortions because they'd been raped?

And whether you know it or not you have been harmed by the church's influence over government policy.

LDN_Irish · 01-08-2016 09:54AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I know it's a wider issue, Judeo Christian culture which built the west and forged many of it's values is seen as the establishment. Far leftists want to tear down the establishment. Raging against what has served our people well for centuries.

When all this Islamist ****e settles down in a couple of hundred years this is probably what people who grow up in muslim countries will be saying. A lot of them are already saying it now, but they'll still be saying it with the benefit of hindsight like you are here.

mansize · 01-08-2016 09:56AM

My love is not a sin, and I'm not a sinner.

The_Valeyard · 01-08-2016 09:57AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Like the religious have been doing for centuries.

Or the Marxists, far left atheist regimes.

Discodog · 01-08-2016 10:08AM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Or the Marxists, far left atheist regimes.

Yes us Atheists are going to become terrorists, kill thousands in religious wars & abuse children. :rolleyes:

Atheists don't want to stop religion. They want to stop it being forced on people or having control over the State

Canis Lupus · 01-08-2016 10:10AM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Or the Marxists, far left atheist regimes.

Old argument is old (and incorrect). I think one of us is supposed to mention Hitler pretty soon. Ooops, there I did it.

R.D. aka MR.D · 01-08-2016 10:16AM

The refuge of the smug is always to call other people's beliefs childish. You've matured, that's great. Well done, but it doesn't mean that the views you once held were childish.

You've simply changed as a person. It doesn't make you better than any one else.

I have no problem with any religion as long as it does not infringe on the rights or peaceful existence of any one else.

If you want to judge people, do it in the privacy of your own head or in silent conversation with your god.

nozzferrahhtoo · 01-08-2016 10:19AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I feel the rise of anti Christian sentiment in Irish society and media. It seems to be ok to take a shot at these people and ridicule them for their beliefs.

I see nothing wrong with the ridicule of beliefs, religious or otherwise. The only distinction should be the mockery of the beliefs, and the mockery of the people that hold them. The former is ok. The latter is not.

Now of course people in the world will take offence vicariously on behalf of their mocked beliefs. And that is their choice and their problem. Not mine. I neither worry about it, nor pander to it.

But unsubstantiated nonsense not only invites mockery, but I recommend it. Because we would do well to divest ourselves of it and move forward without it. And if there is actually any benefit in such beliefs to be found.... though I remain strongly skeptical on that front...... then that does not mean we have to throw the baby out with the bath water. We can find ways to distill what is useful from it into less dangerous forms.

I can not think of a SINGLE benefit of religious or Christian thought that can not be just as easily obtained without having to subscribe to unsubstantiated nonsense in order to attain it. Can you?

mansize · 01-08-2016 10:19AM

I respect people's right to their faith as long as it doesn't impact negatively on others.

DrPhilG · 01-08-2016 10:26AM

I think the issue being raised here is not that people mock Christianity.

It is that when someone criticises Islam they are hung out to dry as an "Islamophobe".

Take yer man McConnell from Belfast. I don't like what he said but he had the right to say it.

If someone said the same thing about Christianity nobody would bat an eyelid.

Everyone knows the wrongs that have been done in the name of Christianity in the past. But by and large (apart from some African nations and the Westboro crew etc) that is a thing of the past.

Radical Islam is waging war on the world and yet people are on tippy toes in case they offend the sensible Muslims. Why are people so careful not to offend the sane non radical Muslims but take great delight in offending and mocking the sane non radical Christians?

Thats just my interpretation of the OP anyway.

Whispered · 01-08-2016 10:27AM

Discodog wrote: »

Atheists don't want to stop religion. They want to stop it being forced on people or having control over the State

I'm not even atheist and I feel strongly about this. Religion has no place in education unless you choose to send your child to a religious school. That in itself brings its own problems, a lot of parents have no choice because the local school is very often religious - especially outside larger towns. I have no issues with learning about religions from a cultural point of view but telling kids this stuff is fact is just ridiculous.

I think labelling athiests as phobic of Christianity is a bit off the mark. As far as I see they feel the same about all religions?

FluffyAngel · 01-08-2016 10:29AM

Penny Tration wrote: »

I don't like islam and I don't like Christianity.

I respect anyone who chooses to believe in these religions, once they are peaceful and don't use their beliefs for nefarious purposes, and I don't have a problem with anyone believing in a religion I dislike.

So am I islamophobic or some crap?

no your human....

The_Valeyard · 01-08-2016 10:43AM

Discodog wrote: »

Yes us Atheists are going to become terrorists, kill thousands in religious wars & abuse children. :rolleyes:

Atheists don't want to stop religion. They want to stop it being forced on people or having control over the State

Well, ye did.

Maos revolution, Pol pots Cambodia, Etc

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