Louise O Neill

Robsweezie · 31-07-2016 04:37PM

''my dominos was over an hour late last night. I get up, then sit back down then get up and scream; it is guttural, visceral, this scream is coming from some part of myself that I never even knew existed. my pizza would be cold and lifeless by the time it reached my door. why was this happening again, and again? they're always f*cking late! the delivery driver approached with my meal, and offered no apology. It was a male driver. I bet if it was a female driver she would have been full of apologies.

I don't even tip anymore, as I know for a fact that all the tips would go to the male drivers... if you're not part of the solution you're part of the pizza problem.''

b_mac2 · 31-07-2016 04:38PM

Robsweezie wrote: »

''my dominos was over an hour late last night. I get up, then sit back down then get up and scream; it is guttural, visceral, this scream is coming from some part of myself that I never even knew existed. my pizza would be cold and lifeless by the time it reached my door. why was this happening again, and again? they're always f*cking late! the delivery driver approached with my meal, and offered no apology. It was a male driver. I bet if it was a female driver she would have been full of apologies.

I don't even tip anymore, as I know for a fact that all the tips would go to the male drivers... if you're not part of the solution you're part of the pizza problem.''

Is that an actual quote from her book?!

Thoie · 31-07-2016 04:43PM

arayess wrote: »

hold on there buddy....

how many people do you think are in the Agricultural course/society in question?

It's a small enough number to be tarred with the accusation, if it was never proven to be 100% false the accusation would have followed the members of that group especially considering the rabid attitude of this lady, her ilk and the platform they have.
There would always have been a question "was he one of them?"

so you are wrong...

It wasn't proved to be 100% false. No evidence was found, and it was dropped. These are not the same things.

It's as if everyone is pretty sure who broke into my house, but no evidence was found, so no-one was ever charged with it.

silverharp · 31-07-2016 04:51PM

darkdubh wrote: »

"All of my detractors on Boards AH were men."

white men :pac:

31-07-2016 04:57PM

b_mac2 wrote: »

Is that an actual quote from her book?!

no, he's parodying her ridiculous reaction to the fake UCD story.

Thoie wrote: »

It wasn't proved to be 100% false. No evidence was found, and it was dropped. These are not the same things.

It's as if everyone is pretty sure who broke into my house, but no evidence was found, so no-one was ever charged with it.

No it's nothing like that.

It's like there being no evidence of a break-in in the first place. It's a ridiculous, illogical proposition that anybody should have to prove a negative. See Russel's Teapot

In this case, Louise O'Neill seems to want proof that no men in UCD shared and rated images of women on an app. How on earth is that possible to prove?

Prove to me that Louise O'Neill is not a racist. You can't? Well now, I'm not satisfied.

Story Bud? · 31-07-2016 05:09PM

I read the first link in the OP.

That's quite enough of that thank you very much.

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2016 05:20PM

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Well, yes - ignoring what other people think is 1 response - but it depends on a young woman having the confidence (read: self-esteem built up over a period of years in the context of a supportive family, peer group) to withstand the social forces.
But that's on a individual, woman-by-woman basis. Why should young women be faced with that? It's yet another thing to be negotiated.
You know who don't have to think about these issues at all? Young men.
But still, yeah, it's the fault of young women themselves. Silly young women.

But young men do have to think about being careful every weekend that they don't end up in a situation where they are the innocent victim of a beating that may leave them a vegetable or dead, so let's not think that life is all rosy for men either.

31-07-2016 05:22PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

But young men do have to think about being careful every weekend that they don't end up in a situation where they are the innocent victim of a beating that may leave them a vegetable or dead, so let's not think that life is all rosy for men either.

Do we? I like to think I'm still a young man (in my twenties, anyway), I go out every weekend, and I can't remember the last time I had to think about this.

Outlaw Pete · 31-07-2016 05:27PM

Wasn't she the one whinging about the Forever 21 t-shirt recently ('Don't Say Maybe If You Want To Say No') saying it promoted rape culture? Pretty sure she was. Helped get it pulled from the shelves I think. But then she would given that he book seems to be based around the premise that remaining silent should equate to saying no. Haven't read the book, just heard her reading an extract from it and that's what it appeared to be suggesting at least (“Well you didn’t say no” .. “But I didn’t say yes either”).

Anyway, good on her for overcoming some of the obstacles which she has (patriarchal oppression aside) but as far as I'm concerned what her angst is all fuelled by is a passionate disdain for men and I think the reason for that is because she blames men for her illness. We (the patriarchy) apparently want women to be perfect little subservient Barbie dolls you see, measuring their worth only on their appearance. Women have played no part whatsoever in putting pressure on other women to look good though, all men, and men of have no such societal pressures placed on them when it comes to how we look, no chance. Short fat men are treated the very same as the tall dark and handsome ones. Wait.. I better stop with this passive aggression as no doubt she'll have a mug under my eyes within mere seconds.

https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/674013476889739266

"Oh, she's just been ironic". is most likely what would be the excuse for the above, but is she though? I certainly don't think so.

At the moment her Twitter blub reads:

Author. Feminist/Misandrist, depending on the day.

That whole thing implying she now doubted her Father's / Grandfather's love, just because some college twits might be judging girl's performances in bed, is quite sad. At best. In any case, it has only started with this one as her first novel is being turned into a film. Yikes. That means another cringefest with Tubs no doubt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpnXkY5wM5Y

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2016 05:31PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Do we? I like to think I'm still a young man (in my twenties, anyway), I go out every weekend, and I can't remember the last time I had to think about this.

You should think about it.

I didn't when I was your age either until it happened to me.

Specialun · 31-07-2016 05:35PM

One of the reasons she hates men is because she was a bit loose back in the day...

Arturo Bandini · 31-07-2016 05:45PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Wasn't she the one whinging about the Forever 21 t-shirt recently ('Don't Say Maybe If You Want To Say No') saying it promoted rape culture? Pretty sure she was. Helped get it pulled from the shelves I think. But then she would given that he book seems to be based around the premise that remaining silent should equate to saying no. Haven't read the book, just heard her reading an extract from it and that's what it appeared to be suggesting at least (“Well you didn’t say no” .. “But I didn’t say yes either”).

Anyway, good on her for overcoming some of the obstacles which she has (patriarchal oppression aside) but as far as I'm concerned what her angst is all fuelled by is a passionate disdain for men and I think the reason for that is because she blames men for her illness. We (the patriarchy) apparently want women to be perfect little subservient Barbie dolls you see, measuring their worth only on their appearance. Women have played no part whatsoever in putting pressure on other women to look good though, all men, and men of have no such societal pressures placed on them when it comes to how we look, no chance. Short fat men are treated the very same as the tall dark and handsome ones. Wait.. I better stop with this passive aggression as no doubt she'll have a mug under my eyes within mere seconds.

https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/674013476889739266

"Oh, she's just been ironic". is most likely what would be the excuse for the above, but is she though? I certainly don't think so.

At the moment her Twitter blub reads:

That whole thing implying she now doubted her Father's / Grandfather's love, just because some college twits might be judging girl's performances in bed, is quite sad. At best. In any case, it has only started with this one as her first novel is being turned into a film. Yikes. That means another cringefest with Tubs no doubt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpnXkY5wM5Y

At least see doesn't hide what she thinks of men.

Feminists regularly like to point to the definition of feminism as proof of what they stand for, so how can someone who openly hates men be an advocate for supposed true equality?

Penny Tration · 31-07-2016 05:49PM

I bought her book after a boardsie recommended it. I wanted to like it, the topic is something that interests me.

I managed about 40 pages. It's written in an even more childish style than Twilight. I genuinely face palmed at just how terrible the writing was.

Gave it to my teenage sister. She said the same thing and didn't finish it either

cloudatlas · 31-07-2016 06:11PM

Specialun wrote: »

One of the reasons she hates men is because she was a bit loose back in the day...

You can hate her columns if you like but I believe some girls who have been raped / sexually assaulted have reached out to her to thank her, telling her that reading the book made them feel understood and encouraged them to get help or talk about it. Her book was inspired by rape cases in the states and also one in Ireland. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-sex-case-that-divided-a-town-and-shocked-a-watching-nation-26593097.html On the whole I think what she is doing is a force for good. I'm leaving this thread now because with comments like the above it's just getting ridiculous.

strandroad · 31-07-2016 06:23PM

Specialun wrote: »

One of the reasons she hates men is because she was a bit loose back in the day...

You're kind of proving her points with such comments.

Icemancometh · 31-07-2016 06:31PM

mhge wrote: »

You're kind of proving her points with such comments.

That it's ok to hate men because of the actions of some of them?

Specialun · 31-07-2016 06:50PM

mhge wrote: »

You're kind of proving her points with such comments.

I know for a fact she was.

bridgettedon · 31-07-2016 07:01PM

Specialun wrote: »

I know for a fact she was.

Who cares if she was or not. It's not in any way relevant.

RayM · 31-07-2016 07:06PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

"Oh, she's just been ironic". is most likely what would be the excuse for the above, but is she though? I certainly don't think so.

She's very clearly taking the piss out of the kind of men who call her a 'misandrist' and who think misandry is actually some kind of huge problem.

AbusesToilets · 31-07-2016 07:09PM

RayM wrote: »

She's very clearly taking the piss out of the kind of men who call her a 'misandrist' and who think misandry is actually some kind of huge problem.

The cry of those who claim to be all for equality, yet deride those who point out areas where treatment is unequal.

Penny Tration · 31-07-2016 07:11PM

RayM wrote: »

She's very clearly taking the piss out of the kind of men who call her a 'misandrist' and who think misandry is actually some kind of huge problem.

Misandry IS a problem, primarily among militant feminists.

Normal, every day feminists want equality for women and men. Militant feminists, such as Clementine Ford, the type prominent in media, are misandrists with a very large chip on their shoulder.

Just as misogyny is a problem, so too is misandry.

RayM · 31-07-2016 07:12PM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

The cry of those who claim to be all for equality, yet deride those who point out areas where treatment is unequal.

Hear lots of cries and whines from men who wouldn't ordinarily give a fuck about equality until they perceive themselves to be on the wrong end of it.

Penny Tration wrote: »

Just as misogyny is a problem, so too is misandry.

It's a 'problem' in the same way as 'heterophobia' and anti-white racism are 'problems'.

Ronald Wilson Reagan · 31-07-2016 07:24PM

I never once, even slightly, have felt I was the victim of misandry. This argument is getting a bit silly at this stage, doing a 180 and now claiming men are victims.

Cant we all just get along and treat each other with respect, whatever our differences?

AbusesToilets · 31-07-2016 07:24PM

RayM wrote: »

Hear lots of cries and whines from men who wouldn't ordinarily give a fuck about equality until they perceive themselves to be on the wrong end of it.

It's a 'problem' in the same way as 'heterophobia' and anti-white racism are 'problems'.

People caring when affected by issue shocker!

I've read plenty from feminists claiming to be all for equality, until they are confronted with aspects that don't benefit them. Let there be fully equal treatment of people in the eyes of the law.

The past is the past, harping on about it and draping oneself in the suffering of others does little to improve the society we live in today.

Icemancometh · 31-07-2016 07:31PM

RayM wrote: »

She's very clearly taking the piss out of the kind of men who call her a 'misandrist' and who think misandry is actually some kind of huge problem.

Isn't the "it's a joke" defence a pretty weak excuse for expressing hatred?

The J Stands for Jay · 31-07-2016 08:03PM

TSMGUY wrote: »

"You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem."
.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

El Caffo · 31-07-2016 08:49PM

The usual suspects that defend this tripe would be quick to deride the equally thick Milo Yiannopoulos for coming out with vitriol aimed at women/feminists.

osarusan · 31-07-2016 08:55PM

I'm going to put her down as similar to Milo, that Roosh guy, whoever it was that set up the women-only space at Glastonbury, and those Sons of Odin boyos patrolling the streets of Dublin - convinced that they're spreading an important message and fighting the good fight, but actually just making themselves look very sad.

Wigglepuppy · 01-08-2016 12:23AM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I'm confused. Giving out about some men's attitudes towards women, but it's ok to yell at your mother and make her do your packing for a trip???

Yes, I was very struck by that admission and her lack of embarrassment for it. And also, she expresses her dismay at when she thinks men view women as sex objects, yet chose to pack "bondage" underwear to look sexy for a date when nobody made her do so? Surely if she is concerned about being "objectified" she would wear underwear that is not of the bondage variety. No doubt she would say she felt forced into it, but how can that be, when she is a strong, independent feminist? Or is it a victim? I just do not know anymore!

Sweetemotion · 01-08-2016 12:40AM

RayM wrote: »

It's a 'problem' in the same way as 'heterophobia' and anti-white racism are 'problems'.

Are you judging people on their sexuality and skin colour?

Louise O Neill

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