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2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #9032
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    Sorry but it's not an echo if it's true. Have you heard of the Clinton cash documentary?
    I have not. Please explain it.
    Have you seen how irresponsible she's been with sensitive government documents,
    That is a competency issue, not a corruption issue.
    the leaked DNC emails,
    Now THAT is a corruption issue. You've got one, let's see how the rest goes!
    reports of debates being rigged to coincide with nfl games,
    Sorry, Donald Trump's tweets do not qualify as "reports". First, as someone who watches the NFL... they are not big games. One is between two teams unlikely to face the playoffs (a bit like Southampton vs Stoke), the other is between one good team with question marks and another team that is likely to struggle (so maybe Man Utd vs Everton).

    And more importantly... the debates were scheduled long before the NFL fixture list was announced. So it's a complete nonsense. Which has already been pointed out in this thread.
    favourable questions at interviews, control of the media. Open your eyes.
    You'll need to a) go into detail on these, and b) let us know why the media have not made much effort to report the multiple fraud cases Trump is up on as well as the charges of raping a 13 year old girl and threatening her life if she told anyone.
    Trump has been getting a raw deal in the media simply for being different and speaking the truth.
    Trump has got the best 'deal' of any Presidential candidate not named Barack Obama that I have ever seen in my life. And to his credit, that has largely been of his own making - it's almost as if there were an 'Art' to the 'Deal' he is getting with the media. For all the bad things to say about Trump, the man knows how to generate hype like few people on the entire planet - there is no denying that.


  • #9033
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Here is what Hillary said in 2008 presidential campaign bid:

    "I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran."
    "In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them,"

    "That's a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic,"



    Obama responded with:
    "One of the things that we've seen over the last several years is a bunch of talk using words like 'obliterate,'"

    "It doesn't actually produce good results. And so I'm not interested in saber rattling."
    Yeah, sure wouldn't it be better if we just bomb the sh*t out of them?


  • #9034
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Your the one that brought up articles about Donald Trump not me and I looked through the articles and Bill Clinton came up straight away so Clinton himself was involved with the same person that Trump was. I don't know nor I do I want to know about the scandal of any of nominees but your the one bringing them up. If you look at Congress you will find many Democrats and Republicans have colourful pasts yet they still got elected.
    You said "My point is you accuse Trump of crimes that have been alleged against Clinton in his private life" in response to me bringing up Trump being accused of raping and threatening to murder a 13 year old child.

    Now you are continuing to try to avoid actually backing that statement up by showing where Bill Clinton was accused of raping a 13 year old girl as Trump currently is. So by your own standards that "I expect for your own sake you can substantiate those remarks" you want people to hold to, I am reporting this post.
    Donald Trump is religiously tolerant since his enemy is ISIS not the Muslim religion. Trump is not a friend of the Wahhabis cult that resides in many Islamic country indeed an ally of the US pre 2009 was Pakistan which was a belligerent towards India, Afghanistan & Iran so you tell me who is the sectarian. Another disaster to visit the American worker is the Mexican crisis and what has the Democrats said about the outsourcing. Have the Democrats stopped the outsourcing of jobs, no please tell me instead of reading the thrashing articles focus on issues. The Mexican crisis is still a big deal and workers are fed up.
    Sorry but this merits reporting too, because you have again failed to address the issue that Trump wants to be MUSLIMS as per his official statement, and not just ISIS, jihadists, Wahhabis or anything near that specific. Just MUSLIMS.


  • #9035
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    How is it constitutional? A religious test to enter the country?

    They'll add a checkbox on the cards they give you on the plane. Are you a Nazi or a terrorist.


  • #9036
    Aph2016
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Aph2016


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I have not. Please explain it.

    That is a competency issue, not a corruption issue.

    Now THAT is a corruption issue. You've got one, let's see how the rest goes!

    Sorry, Donald Trump's tweets do not qualify as "reports". First, as someone who watches the NFL... they are not big games. One is between two teams unlikely to face the playoffs (a bit like Southampton vs Stoke), the other is between one good team with question marks and another team that is likely to struggle (so maybe Man Utd vs Everton).

    And more importantly... the debates were scheduled long before the NFL fixture list was announced. So it's a complete nonsense. Which has already been pointed out in this thread.

    You'll need to a) go into detail on these, and b) let us know why the media have not made much effort to report the multiple fraud cases Trump is up on as well as the charges of raping a 13 year old girl and threatening her life if she told anyone.


    Trump has got the best 'deal' of any Presidential candidate not named Barack Obama that I have ever seen in my life. And to his credit, that has largely been of his own making - it's almost as if there were an 'Art' to the 'Deal' he is getting with the media. For all the bad things to say about Trump, the man knows how to generate hype like few people on the entire planet - there is no denying that.

    You have a) been living under a rock b) love Clinton too much to actually care about the documentary.

    Search Clinton cash documentary on Google it's at the top. All the corruption you could ever need.


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  • #9037
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,163 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    You have a) been living under a rock b) love Clinton too much to actually care about the documentary.

    Search Clinton cash documentary on Google it's at the top. All the corruption you could ever need.

    Some posters here are B.

    I feel sorry for them, no fan of Trump myself but some people are just blind when it comes to Clinton.


  • #9038
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Donald Trump is a class act. He says what needs to be said! No political correctness will stop him criticising a dead shoulders mother, it needs to be done.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36935175

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #9039
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Some posters here are B.

    I feel sorry for them, no fan of Trump myself but some people are just blind when it comes to Clinton.

    Which posters? The ones out of touch with "ordinary Americans "? It's so easy to lazily generalise like this. How about some proper debate?

    I'm still waiting on my apology.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #9040
    Aph2016
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Aph2016


    Brian? wrote: »
    Donald Trump is a class act. He says what needs to be said! No political correctness will stop him criticising a dead shoulders mother, it needs to be done.

    Oh so Donald Trump is responsible for the death of the soldier. That's laughable. When you join the army there's always the risk you might not return home. To say Trump has never sacrificed anything for his country is also laughable, I can only imagine the blood,sweat and tears that went into creating his business empire, creating 1000's of jobs for American citizens.


  • #9041
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Yes but the people that want to kill us are declaring Jihad in the name of Islam. They are called Islamists and want to spread their toxic message across the world. America did not pick a fight with Islam these extremists on the other hand are encouraging conflict between communities.

    Not answering my question. All it says is that you want to punish a lot of people for the crimes of a few. By banning Muslims Trump is also encouraging conflict between otherwise peaceful communities.

    I agree extremists are encouraging conflict. The vast majority of the 1 billion muslims are not.


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  • #9042
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    Oh so Donald Trump is responsible for the death of the soldier. That's laughable. When you join the army there's always the risk you might not return home. To say Trump has never sacrificed anything for his country is also laughable, I can only imagine the blood,sweat and tears that went into creating his business empire, creating 1000's of jobs for American citizens.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/businesses-and-employees-accuse-donald-trump-of-not-paying-them-2016-6?r=US&IR=T

    What good is a job if you don't get paid. Never mind that he has put more effort to creating jobs abroad and suddenly started criticising other companies for doing the same thing.


  • #9043
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    Oh so Donald Trump is responsible for the death of the soldier. That's laughable. When you join the army there's always the risk you might not return home. To say Trump has never sacrificed anything for his country is also laughable, I can only imagine the blood,sweat and tears that went into creating his business empire, creating 1000's of jobs for American citizens.


    Why are you quoting my post if it's not actually a response to what I said? Did I say Trump bore any responsibility for the man's death? I did not.

    Here is my point: Trump is a classless cretin who will lash out at anyone who criticises him. Including insulting a deceased veterans mother. He could very easily have rebutted the points made in the DNC speech without the insults. But that is not the Donald's style. He threw in a classless insult his base will love. Disgusting.

    Between this and the insults of McCain, he should have turned every veteran against him.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #9044
    Aph2016
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Aph2016


    Brian? wrote: »
    Why are you quoting my post if it's not actually a response to what I said? Did I say Trump bore any responsibility for the man's death? I did not.

    Here is my point: Trump is a classless cretin who will lash out at anyone who criticises him. Including insulting a deceased veterans mother. He could very easily have rebutted the points made in the DNC speech without the insults. But that is not the Donald's style. He threw in a classless insult his base will love. Disgusting.

    Between this and the insults of McCain, he should have turned every veteran against him.

    The whole DNC speech by the deceased soldiers parents was a load of crap anyway. They came to America at a completely different time when there was no Islamic terrorism, so their claim about Trump carries no weight.

    Trump may have been distasteful in his comments but let's be honest Muslim men have zero respect for women or gay people so he was probably not too wide of the mark.


  • #9045
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    The whole DNC speech by the deceased soldiers parents was a load of crap anyway. They came to America at a completely different time when there was no Islamic terrorism, so their claim about Trump carries no weight.

    Trump may have been distasteful in his comments but let's be honest Muslim men have zero respect for women or gay people so he was probably not too wide of the mark.

    If you think the speech at the DNC was a "load of crap", go ahead and critique it. But why support random insults against the woman involved. It's classless.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #9046
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    Oh so Donald Trump is responsible for the death of the soldier.

    Nobody said that did they?


  • #9047
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    To say Trump has never sacrificed anything for his country is also laughable, I can only imagine the blood,sweat and tears that went into creating his business empire, creating 1000's of jobs for American citizens.

    American tax payers have sacrificed far more paying for donald trumps bankruptcies.


  • #9048
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    The whole DNC speech by the deceased soldiers parents was a load of crap anyway.

    Ouch. That seems harsh coming from someone who seems to have completely misunderstood it.

    In the USA a Silver Star is one of the highest decorations for bravery. His parents will be afforded an extraordinary amount of respect all over the country by all people.

    Its baffling why trump would want to attack him. Especially since he got out of military draft during vietnam himself because of a "heel spur". That's bound to come up eventually. Trump went to military academy and then mysteriously develops a "heel spur" to avoid being drafted.


  • #9049
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    American tax payers have sacrificed far more paying for donald trumps bankruptcies.

    I'd say 99.9% of Americans weren't born to a father who could give their offspring "small loans of a million dollars". ;)


  • #9050
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    The whole DNC speech by the deceased soldiers parents was a load of crap anyway. They came to America at a completely different time when there was no Islamic terrorism, so their claim about Trump carries no weight.

    Trump may have been distasteful in his comments but let's be honest Muslim men have zero respect for women or gay people so he was probably not too wide of the mark.

    Knock of the lazy generalisations please. I'm also going to ask that you read this form's charter before posting again.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #9051
    Count Dooku
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    American tax payers have sacrificed far more paying for donald trumps bankruptcies.
    ORLY?
    His bankruptcies were business between him and banks and never involved any state support, not like for main Clinton sponsor from Wall street, who had their bonuses protected during crash
    BTW
    CooU-GnUIAAHLJs.jpg


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  • #9052
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Brian? wrote: »
    Donald Trump is a class act. He says what needs to be said! No political correctness will stop him criticising a dead shoulders mother, it needs to be done.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36935175


    Trump should have responded it was Hillary Clinton who voted for the stupid war that got your son killed.


  • #9053
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Count Dooku wrote: »
    ORLY?
    His bankruptcies were business between him and banks and never involved any state support,

    I'm not sure you understand how bancrupcies work in the USA.

    You walk away from the debt. You dont pay it off in time. You dont pay it in installments. You dont have a court ordered overseer to make sure you pay it back. Its not like in ireland or the uk.

    You walk away.

    And its not like banks pick up the tab and pay everyone back.
    Save


  • #9054
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Tim Kaine is such a joke, he says he is pro-life, before he was against state funding of abortions, now with it being Hillary's policy he is for it.

    Hillary had a little lamb
    It followed her all around
    And everywhere that Hillary went
    her lamb was sure to go
    It followed her to support abortions
    Which is against Catholic rules
    It made the people look in disbelief
    At what a sheep and fool.

    Yes, yes I know it is terrible but Kaine stands for nothing.


  • #9055
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Yeah, sure wouldn't it be better if we just bomb the sh*t out of them?

    Hillary in 2015 also said if she is president and Iran does not keep to the deal, she is prepared to take military action against Iran.

    The woman is obsessed with bombing Iran.

    I remember a part of a headline in a newspaper years ago just after the Iraq invasion and abaout a possible war against Iran 'Iran is for the crazies'.

    I have seen no discussion by the mainstream media about Hillary and her constant warmongering.


  • #9056
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Hillary is a warmonger we want Trump who says he'll kill innocent families. Just one of the many head melting republican contradictions.


  • #9057
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It followed her to support abortions
    Which is against Catholic rules
    It made the people look in disbelief
    At what a sheep and fool.

    Yes, yes I know it is terrible but Kaine stands for nothing.

    And also hypocritical, I doubt you'd stand by if he was called a sheep if he toed the RCC's party line on abortion.


  • #9058
    bigbrotherfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭bigbrotherfan


    I don't envy the American people with the choice they appear to have. If I had a vote, which I don't, I would find it difficult to vote for Hillary but absolutely impossible to vote for Trump.

    Clearly, there is going to be much mud slinging in the coming months but Trump seems to be trying to scare people into voting for him. He appears to change his stance, to suit whatever argument he wants to make.

    If elected, I fear that Trump's big mouth, lack of tact and diplomacy will not be a help in times of political and religious unrest. Hopefully, he'll prove me wrong but I fear he is too much of a megalomaniac to do so.


  • #9059
    LostinKildare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭LostinKildare


    BTW, anyone who is eligible to vote in the US election can register and request a ballot here:
    https://www.votefromabroad.org/vote/home.htm


  • #9060
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    And also hypocritical, I doubt you'd stand by if he was called a sheep if he toed the RCC's party line on abortion.

    Tim Kaine has changed his views to suit Hillary.
    The RCC has not changed it views to suit anyone on the campaign.


    It is clear Tim is a lamb of Hillary and not a lamb of God.


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  • #9061
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    20Cent wrote: »
    Hillary is a warmonger we want Trump who says he'll kill innocent families. Just one of the many head melting republican contradictions.

    Hillary and Obama also kill innocent families in thier drone strikes, under Obama they bought in double tap strikes, where they hit a target, then when people come to the scne of of the strike, they send in a second missile.
    Reports say 90% of people killed are innocent.


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