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Louise O Neill

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Women on my social media are always posting about women's issues in other countries. Also campaigning for certain things in your own country has an effect in other countries as it can be viewed as a test case.

    The women in mine do neither . Obviously my suggestion was made with them in mind. They discuss abstract concepts more than concrete issues . Would you like to swap friends, by any chance ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭Bio Mech


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Going back to the UCD thing. How was she supposed to know initially that it wasn't true? Sure wasn't there a scandal years ago when PWC had a little email group sending round pictures of new starts and female interns at the company and rating them. It's not beyond the realm of imagination. Yes she thought wrong but many assumed that it was happening. Don't see how this is a black mark against her as nobody was actually accused of it.

    The point is that her and her ilk were dying for something like that to happen. To prove how evil and wicked all these men are. How grotesque and organised in their opression of virtuous women.

    When it was proven to be bull**** did she come out and apologise for jumping to conclusions. Of course not. She said oh well you haven't proven that it didn't happen so I believe it did. You haven't proven ag sci in UCD aren't all sexist bastards so I believe they are. No contrition at all.

    Quite deluded really. A parody IMO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 El Caffo


    Incredible that actual feminists are "fans" of this spinster and her deluded ramblings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭D0NNELLY


    El Caffo wrote: »
    Incredible that actual feminists are "fans" of this spinster and her deluded ramblings.

    When they use terms like, it's not beyond the relms of imagination, it's time to unfollow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Bio Mech wrote: »
    The point is that her and her ilk were dying for something like that to happen. To prove how evil and wicked all these men are. How grotesque and organised in their opression of virtuous women.

    When it was proven to be bull**** did she come out and apologise for jumping to conclusions. Of course not. She said oh well you haven't proven that it didn't happen so I believe it did. You haven't proven ag sci in UCD aren't all sexist bastards so I believe they are. No contrition at all.

    Quite deluded really. A parody IMO

    But who would she apologies to exactly? I don't remember her mentioning AgSoc, others thought it was happening too, and thank god it wasn't but **** stuff like this happens all the time so my point is you can't blame anyone for believing it. The Stanford rapist sent pics of his victim to other men on a photo sharing app. The world we live in is sick. I don't think she has anything or anyone to apologise for or to. Her shocked reaction was the right one given that at the time folks assumed it was a real report.

    I don't think her columns are incredibly erudite or funny but there is a need for some feminist issues of interest to be presented in a weekly column in the newspapers from young women. To be honest there is only so much I can take of Mary Kennedy and Breda O'Brien.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,033 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    She is the reason I stopped reading anything but the sport sections on The Examiner.

    Some of things she has made up are truly mind boggling

    EVENFLOW



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 115 ✭✭Arturo Bandini


    Arghus wrote: »
    People who think women have had it easier than men down through the years are living in cloud cuckoo land.

    Edit: While I wasn't really too impressed by the quality of her articles I do think there's an irony in page after page of people laying into her, and then making out she's got nothing to complain about regarding male attitudes - the stupid woman, over dramatic diva etc, etc.

    Her gender has little to do with it. If people say stupid things they will be criticized. It's feminism 101 to make everything a gender issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭1eg0a3xv7b82of


    She is the reason I stopped reading anything but the sport sections on The Examiner.

    Some of things she has made up are truly mind boggling

    her articles should be evaluated for what they are, short fiction stories.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Going back to the UCD thing. How was she supposed to know initially that it wasn't true? Sure wasn't there a scandal years ago when PWC had a little email group sending round pictures of new starts and female interns at the company and rating them. It's not beyond the realm of imagination. Yes she thought wrong but many assumed that it was happening. Don't see how this is a black mark against her as nobody was actually accused of it.

    she could have , like a rational person, waited until it was proven rather than just gossip.

    she is an idiot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭Bio Mech


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    But who would she apologies to exactly? I don't remember her mentioning AgSoc, others thought it was happening too, and thank god it wasn't but **** stuff like this happens all the time so my point is you can't blame anyone for believing it. The Stanford rapist sent pics of his victim to other men on a photo sharing app. The world we live in is sick. I don't think she has anything or anyone to apologise for or to. Her shocked reaction was the right one given that at the time folks assumed it was a real report.

    I don't think her columns are incredibly erudite or funny but there is a need for some feminist issues of interest to be presented in a weekly column in the newspapers from young women. To be honest there is only so much I can take of Mary Kennedy and Breda O'Brien.

    I would think an apology or retraction in the same medium that she publishes would be a start. And would be fair given that is where she made her accusations. Or at least gave weigth to those of others.

    I think you are pushing your other references way to far. There are and have been other rapists out there so let's all let our imaginations run away.

    But so you see where I am coming from I would be very anti feminist, anti mysoginist and anti any other movement with vested interest. It's it anything other than equalist it's just another bias imo.

    Anyway I digress. Bed time


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Arghus wrote: »
    People who think women have had it easier than men down through the years are living in cloud cuckoo land.

    Edit: While I wasn't really too impressed by the quality of her articles I do think there's an irony in page after page of people laying into her, and then making out she's got nothing to complain about regarding male attitudes - the stupid woman, over dramatic diva etc, etc.

    They did have had it easier in a lot of situations it just gets glossed over.

    Women didn't have the responsibility of being the breadwinner in a family and keeping a roof over everyone heads.

    Also as I mentioned earlier they haven't had to be forced into war or hard physical labour.

    The may not have had much power but to counter balance that they didn't have as much responsibility in society either.

    This aspect always tends to not be mentioned though and certainly women in western society these days don't have it tough in any way shape or form.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,402 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    A few examples: historically how education and learning used to be seen as the concern of men, and how women were often left out concerns because it wasn't a thing women should be bothered with, or so went the thinking. And it is still a battle to secure an education as a woman in many parts of the globe.

    At a more Irish level: women couldn't sit on a Jury in Ireland up until 1976. Had to give up jobs in the civil service post marriageuntil, 1973.

    Some examples; I don't want to be here all night listing more.

    So people seem to think that women have had/ now have full equality with men? That everything is and has always been tickety boo in this regard? It isn't a case that women generally have always been forced to live within narrower parameters than men in many, if not most, areas of life, like, for instance, access to education, choice of employment etc, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Bio Mech wrote: »
    I would think an apology or retraction in the same medium that she publishes would be a start. And would be fair given that is where she made her accusations. Or at least gave weigth to those of others.

    I think you are pushing your other references way to far. There are and have been other rapists out there so let's all let our imaginations run away.

    But so you see where I am coming from I would be very anti feminist, anti mysoginist and anti any other movement with vested interest. It's it anything other than equalist it's just another bias imo.

    Anyway I digress. Bed time

    Did she publish it? I thought it was the college tribune? And columnists don't publish their articles, in any case the newspapers they work for do and they also decide to retract or not which the college tribune did, but louise had nothing to do with that. She shared some thought on social media about it, many did post that they thought it was shocking, should they all retract.

    The examples I used were of sharing of photos in certain cases, that one and the PWC case also which happened in Ireland, so no imagination here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭longshanks


    Ted111 wrote: »
    I'm impressed.
    She's from Cork.
    And she can read and write.

    Not really. She can read and type.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    arayess wrote: »
    she could have , like a rational person, waited until it was proven rather than just gossip.

    she is an idiot

    I think you mean the College Tribune could have waited, she didn't publish it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭jockeyboard


    Wooooahhh. Why all the hate??
    I love her and think she is great! (I also enjoy her column so there)


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 17,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Toots


    Her writing reminds me of that vacuous twatbag progatonist from 50 Shades of Gray. I'd say she fancies herself as a 'feminist' E.L. James.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Car crash writing, an absolute car crash. You know it's bad, you know your brain is telling you to stop looking at it, but morbid curiosity over rules and you push on anyway. I feel dirty after reading these rantings of astronomical bollixology.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Sure wasn't there a scandal years ago when PWC had a little email group sending round pictures of new starts and female interns at the company and rating them. It's not beyond the realm of imagination.

    Not only that, but there was a scandal in UCD last year where a candidate in the UCDSU president elections (an ag-science student) owned up to being involved in a private Facebook group sharing photographs of female students.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    Car crash writing......rantings of astronomical bollixology.


    :D:D

    Leave Britney Louise alone...... sob, sob.....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭jigglypuffstuff


    "We — the women, the gay people, the transpeople, the people of colour, the people with disabilities — have to find a way of living, no existing, within this world that is intrinsically hostile to us"

    I read this and arrived at the conclusion that she has the intellict of a parsnip

    How someone can spout such nonsense and be given a national platform to do so is beyond me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    pone2012 wrote: »
    "We — the women, the gay people, the transpeople, the people of colour, the people with disabilities — have to find a way of living, no existing, within this world that is intrinsically hostile to us"

    I read this and arrived at the conclusion that she has the intellict of a parsnip

    How someone can spout such nonsense and be given a national platform to do so is beyond me

    That quote from her above is generation snowflake in a nutshell. Nobody gives a **** what victimised label you place on yourself, reality is a cruel place and the sooner you learn to deal with it the better.

    If I facepalm myself any harder I'll break my own nose. Embarrassing ****e


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    You know people like her, I really would love if they went to somewhere like russia or vietnam to work for a year doing a job the locals do and having to survive on locals pay. Something like a cleaning womans job, or a waitress at a shop.

    She'd soon stop moaning about how hard women in Ireland have it. bubble wrapped cotton wool softies from cradle to grave never learn so they only thing they have for excitement is to find victimhood all about them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    These ex boyfriends she mentions should wake up every morning thankful that they dodged a bullet, she sounds like a total head wrecker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    These ex boyfriends she mentions should wake up every morning thankful that they dodged a bullet, she sounds like a total head wrecker.

    She does sound like the sort of person where everything is "la-la-la" or "I hate you. Its your fault daddy didn't buy me a pony!" with no in-between. Christ, she hears some ultimately false rumour about students in a university and spins it into believing her grandfather was a woman hating misogynist who despised her. There may be a survivors group out there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    pone2012 wrote: »
    "We — the women, the gay people, the transpeople, the people of colour, the people with disabilities — have to find a way of living, no existing, within this world that is intrinsically hostile to us"

    I read this and arrived at the conclusion that she has the intellict of a parsnip

    How someone can spout such nonsense and be given a national platform to do so is beyond me
    Pretty much. My sister is blind, has cerebral palsy, Asperger's, the mental capacity of about a 5 year old and a myriad of other problems.

    She's also a baker! And it's in no small part due to the generally very kind nature of Irish society :) . After spending nearly all of her teens and early 20s locked away from the world in her room listening to music (the nuns at St. Mary's Marion were not so kind and caused a lot of psychological damage from things like pushing her down marble staircases to 'prove' she wasn't able to walk down them on her own; they have since sold the place to pay for defending and hiding paedophiles), my parents made the awfully difficult decision of moving her to a community for the disabled in her early 20s - which I hated them for for a while, thinking of it as a 'home' in the negative sense.

    Well it turned out to be a lovely place with a lot of ground and open space, outdoor areas, facilities, etc. My parents wish incredibly badly that they'd done it earlier, but there was such a deep seated mistrust after the school incidents with the nuns, but it couldn't be any less the case with this place.

    Unlike people with strong cases of Downs Syndrome and such, my sister is also in that awful, awful space where she is smart enough to know she is heavily disabled and aware of how much it limits her. Before I type this sentence I know there might be backlash because of how awful it will sound, but at times my family and I have wondered would it be better if she were more mentally retarded, as in just to the point that she wasn't aware of being 'different'. Because anyone with a disabled family member would know how crushing it is to see it get them down, and to know there is nothing, and never will be anything, that you will be able to do to help. Won't repeat it here, but I overheard her having a tantrum 25 years ago when I was 5, and one thing in particular that she said sticks with me and breaks my heart nearly every single day of my life. So it's partly selfish, and partly wondering if it would make her happier given how desperately lonely and sad her teen years were. It's one of those sickening conundrums like wondering if a friend who has been in late stage cancer for a long time would just be better off dead.

    Well anyway, it turns out that because of that space she finds herself in she is also one of the most functional people in the entire community she lives in, and in that sense is seen as someone to 'go to', to act as a middleman, or even as a leader among her peers to quite an extent. So thanks to people, communities, and organisations in Ireland she has gone from a secluded hermit who refused to leave her room for anything but dinner, was developing what were looking to be huge and serious personality & psychological disorders, and worst of all was only-just-barely smart enough to know she was hugely disabled and never stood a chance in life... to an actual baker and community leader than people look to for help and advise.

    The way Irish people are in nature too means we (typically) don't go over-the-top with disabled people, at least in my experiences, and again that is actually a very good thing - it makes those who are disabled pay less and less attention to it themselves, and feel more confident and part of society. It's more an accidental part of our culture, but it's a very good one in that sense. Not to sound preachy, but just to all - please keep that in mind next time you ask where something is from the disabled guy at the local supermarket or whatnot. Treat disabled people as if they were normal right at the start the first time you talk, and use the conversation to figure out how much you might need to 'gear it down' - not the reverse, which only serves to remind them of problem(s) if they are aware enough of everything to know they are 'different' in a bad way, and not at all 'special' (sad truth: many disabled people know that truth only to get told they are 'special' over and over and over and over through life, like a sick insult).

    So my point is... on that front, Louise O'Neill, her agenda, and her claiming people who in large part have no coherent voice to lend (or retract with) themselves, can have my hostility, and can go f*** herself with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Xaracatz


    I’ve noticed in work emails that women who contact me will always start off by saying something along the lines ‘I’m sorry to bother you with this but...’; whereas the emails from men are much more self assured.

    They never apologise for taking up my time, for asking me for a favour, for requesting that I help them out in some way. The emails from men are forthright about what they want from me and often, there is an element of expectation.

    They do not imagine that I will refuse them.

    In contrast, an email from a woman will end with something like, “but don’t feel obliged! Only do it if you have time and if it suits you, I’m so sorry to even ask!”

    It’s not surprising, I guess, when you consider how differently men and women are reared.

    Men are taught to be determined, to fight for what they want, to refuse to take no for an answer.

    Women are socially conditioned to be gentle, to be the peacemakers, to sacrifice their own needs for the sake of others.

    Attributes that men have been encouraged to develop from an early age such as competitiveness and authoritativeness are considered much more valuable in our culture, particularly in a working environment, and men who display these traits are applauded for doing so. (Women who follow suit are labelled ‘ballbusters’ and ‘aggressive’.)

    It’s such a cliché to say that this is a man’s world but it’s difficult to deny that our society has been designed to protect and promote men at the cost of others.

    Well, white, straight, cisgender, able-bodied men, and any of us to fail to fall into those categories are automatically penalised.

    We — the women, the gay people, the transpeople, the people of colour, the people with disabilities — have to find a way of living, no existing, within this world that is intrinsically hostile to us.

    We are made to feel unwelcome and so we apologise.

    Well, that's one hell of a statement (from the second link in the OP). Us women - and God help us if we're also gay, transgender, "of colour", or disabled - really have to keep fighting the good fight to keep on managing to exist. Sure, as long as we can sacrifice some of our needs along the way - as we've been socially programmed to do.

    I'm sure she means no harm and may he fighting some demons, but it's the jumping on this kind of bandwagon that worries me, with so much x-blaming and y-shaming, and special safe places to hide from the pressure of it all.

    In the first linked article, she discusses rape, and the fear of being raped when passing by a group of guys.

    A girl should be able to walk down a dark street in the middle of the night without being raped. Equally, a guy should be able to stand with his mates in that same street without being suspected of being a rapist. There are double standards doing flip flops on stilts here.

    Generation Snowflake is way worse than Generation Goatse at this point!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,719 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Xaracatz wrote: »
    Well, that's one hell of a statement (from the second link in the OP). Us women - and God help us if we're also gay, transgender, "of colour", or disabled - really have to keep fighting the good fight to keep on managing to exist. Sure, as long as we can sacrifice some of our needs along the way - as we've been socially programmed to do.

    I'm sure she means no harm and may he fighting some demons, but it's the jumping on this kind of bandwagon that worries me, with so much x-blaming and y-shaming, and special safe places to hide from the pressure of it all.

    In the first linked article, she discusses rape, and the fear of being raped when passing by a group of guys.

    A girl should be able to walk down a dark street in the middle of the night without being raped. Equally, a guy should be able to stand with his mates in that same street without being suspected of being a rapist. There are double standards doing flip flops on stilts here.

    Generation Snowflake is way worse than Generation Goatse at this point!
    What a ****ing arsehole. Her point about work emails is beyond stupid, it's actually mind-boggling :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Pretty much.
    So my point is... on that front, Louise O'Neill, her agenda, and her claiming people who in large part have no coherent voice to lend (or retract with) themselves, can have my hostility, and can go f*** herself with it.

    I don't think she is being malicious, perhaps she throws her net too wide and speaks about matters that she isn't fully aware of but the hate on this thread against her I think is O.T.T. and baffling.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,719 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    I don't think she is being malicious, perhaps she throws her net too wide and speaks about matters that she isn't fully aware of but the hate on this thread against her I think is O.T.T. and baffling.

    You don't think she's malicious, when she publishes an article in a newspaper basically ****ting all over her ex boyfriend? If roles were reversed in who wrote that article, what do you think the reaction would be?


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