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4,500 a week for teenager's flat 'scandalous', says judge.

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  • #32
    dotsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    Alf Stewart. wrote: »
    What s two grand when its the public purse, but I was going on the principle of a four week month.

    4 x 4.5 = 18.

    Ah, but a there are more than 4 weeks in a month. Those extra few days add up. For example, those few days would cost the state a little under €2K, which is more than what most people pay in rent a month.


  • #33
    SEPT 23 1989
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what sort of flat has doors that need to be unlocked at the start of the day? It doesnt sound like a regular flat

    Unless it's a Hannibal Lecter style cage in the middle of basketball court size room with armed guards on every exit on every floor there really is no excuse for this amount of money


  • #34
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,351 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Welcome to Ireland 2016

    Work your arse off year in year out and you're entitled to nothing, be a law breaking little bollix and have everything paid for.

    And I'll bet the house we will be paying for this guy one way or another for the rest of his days.


  • #35
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Letree wrote: »
    Any public servant who is that careless with the states money should be demoted to a level where they can't sign off on anything.

    Quite impossible to fire a useless public servant.


  • #36
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,877 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Quite impossible to fire a useless public servant.

    How about firing them out of a cannon into the nearest body of water?


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  • #37
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    dotsman wrote: »
    Ah, but a there are more than 4 weeks in a month. Those extra few days add up. For example, those few days would cost the state a little under €2K, which is more than what most people pay in rent a month.
    4.333 weeks in a month 4.333*4.5=19.5k
    or 4.5x52/12=19.5k


  • #38
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    I was going to say €4,500 a month is scandalous, but then I saw it is €4,500 a week.
    That seems ok. Carry on. Someone in the Department need a promotion and a bonus. Boom times, baby.


  • #39
    Letree
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    TheDarter wrote: »
    4500 per week is nothing, What about those fcking scroungers getting 188 per week for nothing

    I don't think you'll last long darter.. go mental now before your banned :D


  • #40
    BorneTobyWilde
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Who ever in the social services signed off on that amount should appear before the PAC and explain this one.

    Probably a friend of the Landlord I would imagine. They spilt it .


  • #41
    Ted111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    Tigger wrote: »
    4.333 weeks in a month 4.333*4.5=19.5k
    or 4.5x52/12=19.5k

    Is that in a leap year?


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  • #42
    Nettle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Nettle


    There is no landlord its a residential service for young people who have behavioural issues. Tje article states the manager spoke during the case so unsure as to why others have suggested the money is going to a landlord.These type of services are located all over the country. Lets just hope the money being spent now prevents further money being spent on the individual in the future.


  • #43
    foggy_lad
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    waraf wrote: »
    The 4500 per week includes the price of 3 fat lads to sit on him 24/7 to stop him wrecking the gaff
    A good Christian Brother could beat all that aggressive energy out of him in an hour or two!
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what sort of flat has doors that need to be unlocked at the start of the day? It doesnt sound like a regular flat
    the block has a main door that is locked at night like a hostel or halfway house.

    He has only been there a short time but has been late back a few times and had to contact the Gardai to get access each time.
    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I assume the teenager requires round-the-clock supervision. Lets say there are 3 workers in a 24-hour period on an average of €30,000 each. That's about €100,000 when considering salaries & employer PRSI contributions.

    The article says that a private psychologist is costing €7,000 p.a. Lets say the boy is getting counselling 5 days per week every week @€;50 per session, that's €13,000. That's a total of €20,000 on counselling and psychological care.

    That still "only" comes to €120,000, which leaves €130,000 for accomodation, food and uh, petty spending.

    Something is seriously wrong with that figure, and it shouldn't take a judge to point it out.
    That €7,000pa is most likely for a couple of hour long sessions a week which he will be brought to by TAXI and returned by TAXI, There will be no round the clock supervision!

    they would be better off throwing the little scrote out on his ear to fend for himself like many other less troublesome kids have to!
    Nettle wrote: »
    There is no landlord its a residential service for young people who have behavioural issues. Tje article states the manager spoke during the case so unsure as to why others have suggested the money is going to a landlord.These type of services are located all over the country. Lets just hope the money being spent now prevents further money being spent on the individual in the future.
    It is just a block of flats/apartments and the main access door is locked at night. There is most likely cameras on the main entrance and on other exits that are supposed to be monitored 24/7 but won't be.


  • #44
    MilesMorales1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    Nettle wrote: »
    There is no landlord its a residential service for young people who have behavioural issues. Tje article states the manager spoke during the case so unsure as to why others have suggested the money is going to a landlord.These type of services are located all over the country. Lets just hope the money being spent now prevents further money being spent on the individual in the future.

    If its for multiple young people why is it so expensive then?


  • #45
    10000maniacs
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    People are getting more angry and agitated with every news story like this. Heads need to roll on this one.
    Things like this just fuel right wing sentiment in this country. Will these morons ever learn.


  • #46
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    MilesMorales1 wrote: »
    If its for multiple young people why is it so expensive then?
    It is single self contained apartments, not like a group home. It is so expensive becasuse the property owners decided to build a place to meet a particular need and they have the only place deemed suitable in the area so will be paid more than the property is worth.


  • #47
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    People are getting more angry and agitated with every news story like this. Heads need to roll on this one.
    Things like this just fuel right wing sentiment in this country. Will these morons ever learn.

    Considering that people with intellectual disabilities were kept in foster homes where they had to live with abusers and even after this was brought to light the situation continued for a few years nothing would ever surprise me from our department of health!


  • #48
    Nettle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Nettle


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    It is single self contained apartments, not like a group home. It is so expensive becasuse the property owners decided to build a place to meet a particular need and they have the only place deemed suitable in the area so will be paid more than the property is worth.


    The reason that it is so expensive is because it it a private care home provider it has nothing to do with landlords. The article states that whilst the individual is currently not on a structured plan they will be on one from this week. The headline of the article is misleading the young person is placed in a type of care home/sheltered accommodation service. It was the judges comments that referred to it being like a flat being paid for which clearly isnt the case. The state cannot place minor in an apartment by themselves without some sort of adult supervision.


  • #49
    Nettle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Nettle


    MilesMorales1 wrote: »
    If its for multiple young people why is it so expensive then?


    It is a company that would be my guess so they need to make a profit. I don't know anything about the service itself so I don't know if it is single or multi occupancy.


  • #50
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Nettle wrote: »
    There is no landlord its a residential service for young people who have behavioural issues. Tje article states the manager spoke during the case so unsure as to why others have suggested the money is going to a landlord.These type of services are located all over the country. Lets just hope the money being spent now prevents further money being spent on the individual in the future.
    Nettle wrote: »
    .........the individual........

    How many more individuals @ €4,500 would there be ?

    say 50 ? ..................... €225,000 per week then ?


  • #51
    conorhal
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    As has been pointed out, it's not a flat, but a room in a residential care facility (are the Examiner hiring ex-Sindo writers?), who he refuses to engage with, the judge is an idiot because 'there is nothing being provided for him ' is clearly not true, he just refuses to engage with the supports being provided for him.

    This bollox from his social worker baffles me however:

    She said: “He was assaulting staff, smashing up the place, up on the roof of the unit, into cars. The fact that the boy is able to maintain his new residential placement without assaulting or abusive behaviour or without coming to attention of the Gardaí, to me — that is a huge improvement.”

    Rather then the namby pamby hugs therapy that seems to be going nowhere it sound like they need to try a bit of 'kick up the hole therapy'.


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  • #52
    MilesMorales1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    Why is this joint charging so much then? Why is there not a government run alternative? I mean 4500 a week, times however many people they have in this facility, the costs must be outrageous.


  • #53
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,666 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    conorhal wrote: »
    As has been pointed out, it's not a flat, but a room in a residential care facility (are the Examiner hiring ex-Sindo writers?), who he refuses to engage with, the judge is an idiot because 'there is nothing being provided for him ' is clearly not true, he just refuses to engage with the supports being provided for him.

    This bollox from his social worker baffles me however:

    She said: “He was assaulting staff, smashing up the place, up on the roof of the unit, into cars. The fact that the boy is able to maintain his new residential placement without assaulting or abusive behaviour or without coming to attention of the Gardaí, to me — that is a huge improvement.”

    Rather then the namby pamby hugs therapy that seems to be going nowhere it sound like they need to try a bit of 'kick up the hole therapy'.

    Give him €20, a McDonalds voucher and a sleeping bag and wave him bye bye.
    Oh wait, that's too good for the ball bag.


  • #54
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,065 ✭✭✭conorhal


    MilesMorales1 wrote: »
    Why is this joint charging so much then? Why is there not a government run alternative? I mean 4500 a week, times however many people they have in this facility, the costs must be outrageous.

    Well it costs about 80 grand a year to keep a prisoner in jail or about 1500 a week. I'd imagine a residential center for child offenders however has more intensive staffing for fewer numbers. It's never cheap to provide that kind of care.


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