Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

Jamie2k9 · 28-07-2016 07:55PM

GM228 wrote: »

Any link? Might be gone already?

Search JP - Newbridge or Hazelhatch-GCD, I will put up a screenshot if it's gone any date even today once it's Mon-Fri

1huge1 · 28-07-2016 09:16PM

Just tested Sallins/Naas to Grand Canal Dock for the 20th October.

Its coming up as a direct train in 55mins.

LXFlyer · 28-07-2016 09:39PM

What's coming up on the journey planner - and I'd take these very obviously as draft timetables are:

Ex-Newbridge:
06:14, 07:00, 07:20, 09:12, 10:10, 11:15, 12:15, 13:15, 14:15 15:10*, 15:40*, 16:45^, 17:57*, 20:20, 21:15, 22:15 and 23:15

Starters Ex-Hazelhatch:
06:50. 08:10. 08:35, 17:25^, 17:55^, 18:55^

Serve all stations except:
* Serves Sallins and then Parkwest and all stations to GCD
^ Does not serve Adamstown or Clondalkin

From GCD to Newbridge:
07:00#, 08:10^, 09:11^, 09:30, 10:27, 11:25, 12:34, 13:34, 14:24, 15:28, 16:40, 17:28, 18:16, 19:05, 19:40, 20:24, 21:30, 22:24 and 23:24

From GCD to Hazelhatch only:
07:25*, 07:49*, 16:10, 17:00, 17:58 and 18:40

Trains serve all stations except for:
# Serves all stations to Drumcondra and then non-stop to Newbridge
* Does not serve Clondalkin or Adamstown
^ Does not serve Clondalkin, Adamstown, Hazelhatch or Sallins

Good to see at least three trains serving ParkWest from GCD before 09:00 too facilitating people starting work at 08:00, 08:30 and 09:00 - some people here didn't think that would happen.

Most of the Hazelhatch services will connect with existing Heuston services for points further out from what I can see in this draft.

LXFlyer · 28-07-2016 09:55PM

OK - And I am cautioning that this is DRAFT but it is probably indicative of what is planned - this is what is loaded into the Journey Planner (having mastered finally the table function here):

Newbridge 06:14 07:00 07:20 09:12 10:10 11:15 12:15 13:15 14:15 15:10 15:40 16:45 17:57 20:20 21:15 22:15 23:15
Sallins 06:22 07:08 07:28 09:19 10:17 11:22 12:22 13:22 14:22 15:17 15:47 16:52 18:04 20:27 21:22 22:22 23:22
Hazelhatch 06:31 06:50 07:17 07:37 08:10 08:35 09:27 10:25 11:31 12:30 13:30 14:31 xx xx 17:01 17:25 17:55 xx 18:55 19:35 20:35 21:30 22:30 23:29
Adamstown 06:36 06:55 07:22 07:42 08:15 08:40 09:32 10:30 11:36 12:35 13:35 14:36 xx xx xx xx xx xx xx 19:40 20:40 21:35 22:35 23:34
Clondalkin 06:41 07:00 07:27 07:47 08:21 08:46 09:37 10:36 11:42 12:41 13:41 14:42 xx xx xx xx xx xx xx 19:46 20:46 21:41 22:41 23:40
Parkwest 06:45 07:04 07:31 07:51 08:25 08:50 09:41 10:40 11:46 12:45 13:45 14:46 15:33 16:03 17:11 17:34 18:04 18:19 19:05 19:50 20:50 21:45 22:45 23:44
Drumcondra 07:02 07:21 07:46 08:08 08:45 09:07 10:00 11:00 12:03 13:01 14:02 15:02 15:48 16:21 17:28 17:50 18:19 18:36 19:19 20:04 21:08 22:01 23:02 00:00
Connolly 07:06 07:26 07:49 08:12 08:49 09:12 10:04 11:04 12:07 13:04 14:05 15:05 15:52 16:24 17:31 17:54 18:24 18:39 19:23 20:08 21:11 22:04 23:05 00:04
Tara St 07:09 07:29 07:53 08:15 08:52 09:15 10:07 11:07 12:10 13:08 14:08 15:08 15:55 16:27 17:34 17:56 18:26 18:42 19:25 20:10 21:14 22:07 23:08 00:07
Pearse 07:12 07:31 07:57 08:18 08:55 09:18 10:10 11:10 12:13 13:11 14:11 15:11 15:58 16:30 17:37 17:59 18:29 18:45 19:28 20:13 21:17 22:10 23:11 00:10
Grand Canal Dock 07:17 07:37 08:01 08:22 08:59 09:22 10:14 11:14 12:17 13:15 14:15 15:15 16:02 16:34 17:41 18:03 18:34 18:49 19:33 20:18 21:21 22:14 23:15 00:14

Grand Canal Dock 07:00 07:25 07:49 08:10 09:11 09:30 10:27 11:25 12:24 13:34 14:24 15:28 16:10 16:40 17:00 17:28 17:58 18:16 18:40 19:05 19:40 20:24 21:30 22:24 23:24
Pearse 07:02 07:27 07:51 08:13 09:13 09:32 10:30 11:28 12:27 13:37 14:27 15:31 16:13 16:43 17:03 17:31 18:01 18:19 18:43 19:08 19:43 20:27 21:33 22:27 23:27
Tara St 07:04 07:29 07:53 08:15 09:15 09:34 10:32 11:30 12:29 13:39 14:29 15:33 16:15 16:45 17:05 17:33 18:03 18:21 18:45 19:10 19:45 20:29 21:35 22:29 23:29
Connolly 07:08 07:33 07:57 08:19 09:19 09:38 10:36 11:34 12:33 13:43 14:33 15:37 16:20 16:49 17:09 17:37 18:07 18:25 18:49 19:14 19:49 20:33 21:39 22:33 23:33
Drumcondra xx 07:38 08:02 08:25 09:25 09:43 10:42 11:40 12:39 13:49 14:39 15:44 16:27 16:55 17:15 17:43 18:13 18:31 18:55 19:20 19:55 20:39 21:45 22:39 23:39
Parkwest xx 07:54 08:18 08:42 09:42 10:01 11:01 12:00 12:59 14:10 14:59 16:01 16:45 17:15 17:33 18:01 18:30 18:49 19:11 19:37 20:12 20:58 22:02 22:58 23:58
Clondalkin xx xx xx xx xx 10:05 11:05 12:04 13:03 14:14 15:03 16:05 16:49 17:19 17:37 18:05 18:34 18:53 19:15 19:41 20:16 21:02 22:06 23:02 00:02
Adamstown xx xx xx xx xx 10:11 11:11 12:10 13:09 14:20 15:09 16:11 16:56 17:25 17:43 18:11 18:40 18:59 19:21 19:48 20:23 21:09 22:12 23:09 00:09
Hazelhatch xx 08:04 08:28 xx xx 10:15 11:16 12:15 13:14 14:25 15:14 16:16 17:02 17:30 17:47 18:16 18:46 19:05 19:25 19:53 20:28 21:14 22:17 23:14 00:14
Sallins xx xx xx 10:24 11:24 12:23 13:22 14:33 15:22 16:24 17:41 18:24 19:13 20:01 20:36 21:22 22:25 23:22 00:22
Newbridge 07:43 09:06 10:03 10:33 11:33 12:32 13:32 14:42 15:30 16:33 17:50 18:33 19:23 20:11 20:46 21:32 22:35 23:32 00:32

"xx" means the train does not stop at that station

1huge1 · 28-07-2016 09:58PM

What does everyone think of these timetables (assuming it reflects the actual thing once its implemented)

Is it fast/slow? Given that the times take the resignalling into account, is this what we should be expecting?

kc56 · 28-07-2016 10:00PM

Kildare and beyond has some not too bad connections with 1 change. Some Newbridge-GCD are timed 5 mins after Port-Heuton arrives in Newbridge.

LXFlyer · 28-07-2016 10:00PM

Just looking at it, the 07:00 ex-GCD doesn't look right as there's no return working and I cannot imagine that the 23:15 ex-Newbridge will continue beyond Connolly.

But from anyone working in Parkwest I must say it's good to see the outbound services stopping there in the morning and the inbounds in the afternoon/evening while bypassing other stations.

Jamie2k9 · 28-07-2016 10:08PM

lxflyer wrote: »

Just looking at it, the 07:00 ex-GCD doesn't look right as there's no return working and I cannot imagine that the 23:15 ex-Newbridge will continue beyond Connolly.

But from anyone working in Parkwest I must say it's good to see the outbound services stopping there in the morning and the inbounds in the afternoon/evening while bypassing other stations.

Possible empty working from Heuston, there is a few in current schedules such as one around 23.50 ex Kildare.

I do agree looks like a wasted and pointless service addition.

If it's going to be all Heuston drivers then the last service will run empty to Heuston.

28-07-2016 10:14PM

I've just been playing around with the journey planner and there appears to be one train a day stopping at Kisho(ge) station going westbound and stopping at 16:52, one train a day in one direction!
Must still be under development.

kc56 · 28-07-2016 10:15PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Possible empty working from Heuston, there is a few in current schedules such as one around 23.50 ex Kildare.

I do agree looks like a wasted and pointless service addition.

If it's going to be all Heuston drivers then the last service will run empty to Heuston.

Maybe it works the 0811 to Heuston?

n97 mini · 28-07-2016 10:22PM

First arrival into city centre not till after 7am. Same problem on the Maynooth line.

daheff · 28-07-2016 10:23PM

does anybody know when this timetable is scheduled to go live?

Jamie2k9 · 28-07-2016 10:24PM

n97 mini wrote: »

First arrival into city centre not till after 7am. Same problem on the Maynooth line.

07.00 is more than adequate.

Jamie2k9 · 28-07-2016 10:25PM

daheff wrote: »

does anybody know when this timetable is scheduled to go live?

Sometime between Oct and Dec according to IE.

LXFlyer · 28-07-2016 10:28PM

daheff wrote: »

does anybody know when this timetable is scheduled to go live?

Later in the year - that question keeps being asked here.

There is no precise date yet.

n97 mini · 28-07-2016 10:29PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

07.00 is more than adequate.

7.06 into Connolly which is no use to people (like me) who start work at 7.

LXFlyer · 28-07-2016 10:32PM

n97 mini wrote: »

7.06 into Connolly which is no use to people (like me) who start work at 7.

Bear in mind that this is still clearly a draft that someone accidentally loaded into the journey planner - it could yet change when people make submissions on it (assuming it will go out to consultation).

I'd take this very much as an indicative timetable.

And being honest about it most bus routes only kick off around 06:30 as well. Some start earlier, but for the majority they only start at 06:30 which may/may not facilitate an 07:00 start in the city centre.

I would suggest that while it may be an issue for you, it is probably not the biggest issue for most people.

Jamie2k9 · 28-07-2016 10:32PM

n97 mini wrote: »

7.06 into Connolly which is no use to people (like me) who start work at 7.

Public Transports caters for the mass and not individuals and while I accept many start work at 7am, everybody cannot be pleased.

n97 mini · 28-07-2016 11:03PM

lxflyer wrote: »

Bear in mind that this is still clearly a draft that someone accidentally loaded into the journey planner - it could yet change when people make submissions on it (assuming it will go out to consultation).

I'd take this very much as an indicative timetable.

And being honest about it most bus routes only kick off around 06:30 as well. Some start earlier, but for the majority they only start at 06:30 which may/may not facilitate an 07:00 start in the city centre.

I would suggest that while it may be an issue for you, it is probably not the biggest issue for most people.

Co-incidentally I know a lot of (young) people who don't have cars working in the retail and hotel industries that start shifts at 7am. I don't know why it's popular but it is. 8am would be a lot easier. For some the first bus is early enough, others have to taxi it, it all depends on where they work and how long it takes to walk from the bus stop. I'm fortunate, I drive and work pays for my parking.

n97 mini · 28-07-2016 11:05PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Public Transports caters for the mass and not individuals and while I accept many start work at 7am, everybody cannot be pleased.

Ideally we would have a minimum level of transport around the clock to accommodate shift workers etc.

end of the road · 28-07-2016 11:23PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Possible empty working from Heuston, there is a few in current schedules such as one around 23.50 ex Kildare.

I do agree looks like a wasted and pointless service addition.

If it's going to be all Heuston drivers then the last service will run empty to Heuston.

i thought empty movements apart from extreme emergencies were supposed to have been eliminated?

Jamie2k9 · 28-07-2016 11:48PM

end of the road wrote: »

i thought empty movements apart from extreme emergencies were supposed to have been eliminated?

They have, this movement may be the only empty stock movement on Heuston side. There is no demand from passengers to facilitate a service as prior services case more less no passengers and the extra hour to staff Heuston and so on. Heuston is more less deserted once the evening rush is over and the majority would travel on the last few IC services.

The other movements are LTC and operate mostly in 9 coach units and couldn't take passengers even if they wanted to but they have good service already and they can be flexible and don't always operate when restored to.

Jamie2k9 · 28-07-2016 11:51PM

n97 mini wrote: »

Ideally we would have a minimum level of transport around the clock to accommodate shift workers etc.

Send a letter to Shane Ross to take the cheque book out and pay for it.

BTW in London last weekend and lot of the last commuter services were around 01.00 and many didn't start to arrive back into London until after 6.30-07.00.

n97 mini · 29-07-2016 12:22AM

I'm sure I'd find something we're paying for currently that's not worth the money.

A lot of ordinary bus routes in London run 24/7. I made the mistake of thinking it was just the N routes initially until I started looking at timetables. The N routes are elongated/merged routes that route through the night.

Jamie2k9 · 29-07-2016 12:23AM

n97 mini wrote: »

I'm sure I'd find something we're paying for currently that's not worth the money.

A lot of ordinary bus routes in London run 24/7. I made the mistake of thinking it was just the N routes initially until I started looking at timetables. The N routes are elongated/merged routes that route through the night.

Buses are not trains and much less costly, your correct London has a large 24/7 bus operation.

n97 mini · 29-07-2016 06:19AM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Buses are not trains and much less costly, your correct London has a large 24/7 bus operation.

I don't disagree, but trains from Bray and Howth arrive in well before 7am (6.23am and 6.29am respectively). There is a feeling that some of us are 2nd class citizens/customers for a variety of reasons, including this.

Col_30 · 29-07-2016 08:33AM

If these are the correct train times, they will suit me perfectly. I never thought I'd be able to get from Adamstown to Tara Street in just 37 minutes. The train leaves at 8:15, so it's an extra half an hour in bed for me!

Getting home 20 min earlier in the evenings will also make a lot of difference.

Sam Russell · 29-07-2016 09:38AM

Col_30 wrote: »

If these are the correct train times, they will suit me perfectly. I never thought I'd be able to get from Adamstown to Tara Street in just 37 minutes. The train leaves at 8:15, so it's an extra half an hour in bed for me!

Getting home 20 min earlier in the evenings will also make a lot of difference.

That is the effect that Dart Underground should have on a lot of people.

tabbey · 29-07-2016 09:55AM

There is almost a clockface timetable for much of the day, not having a train at 15 minutes after each hour is a lost opportunity to provide a service in which the public can have confidence.

A prospective passenger who arrives in Newbridge station just before 0915, and is told the train left at 0912, will think it is a strange timetable, and use the bus instead. Likewise 1010 & 1510 departures,and several gaps in peak hour.

Keep it simple, stupid (KISS) is an essential tenet of any business.

thomasj · 29-07-2016 10:43AM

As a maynooth line user, I'd be pissed off if that timetable comes to fruition.

Waiting for ever to get a better timetable with later services and that pops up for Kildare line users.

Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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