The Irish invaded the UK.....actually

py2006 · 28-07-2016 10:19AM #1

Interesting article here about the genetic make up of people from England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Ok, NI is unsurprising but 44.8% of the Scots are of Irish ancestery and just look at the attached pic and you can see that in fact the Irish invaded the UK...ehem!

The Ancestry study found stark differences in the genetic make-up of people living in the UK. For example, English people have significantly less Irish ancestry - just 20 per cent of their genetic make-up - on average compared to people living in Scotland (43.84 per cent), Wales (31.99 per cent) and Northern Ireland (48.49 per cent).

English people have significantly less Irish ancestry - just 20 per cent of their genetic make-up - on average compared to people living in Scotland (43.84 per cent), Wales (31.99 per cent) and Northern Ireland (48.49 per cent).

biko · 28-07-2016 10:37AM

They didn't have a flag at the time.

Duckworth_Luas · 28-07-2016 10:39AM

It seems that they are using British to mean Anglo-Saxon and Irish to mean the pre-Roman peoples of Britain.

Change the thread title.

Your Face · 28-07-2016 10:39AM

Did the Irish invade with a view of complete subjugation?

Flippyfloppy · 28-07-2016 10:41AM

Unless the British originally invaded Ireland before everything, so which came first, the chicken or the egg gov'nor

Sapphire · 28-07-2016 10:42AM

Was this not down to them raiding Ireland for slaves, like St Patrick was?

cfuserkildare · 28-07-2016 10:54AM

What time period is this information based on?

Scots requested to kick-out English in 1314-1317 taking around 5000 troops,

Amount of Irish that left Ireland and worked up from Liverpool to Ayr to Glasgow from 1842 onwards.

Would need DNA from before these events to exclude these 2 events alone, never mind how many previous visits we both made!!

corner of hells · 28-07-2016 11:08AM

cfuserkildare wrote: »

What time period is this information based on?

Scots requested to kick-out English in 1314-1317 taking around 5000 troops,

Amount of Irish that left Ireland and worked up from Liverpool to Ayr to Glasgow from 1842 onwards.

Would need DNA from before these events to exclude these 2 events alone, never mind how many previous visits we both made!!

Timeframe ? Well 1314 to 1317 is lunch time and 1842 is teatime.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 28-07-2016 11:27AM

They used to stage raids on Wales alright. I suppose given half the chance and if we had the capability we would have launched a full scale invasion on Britain. Instead we decided to invite them over here instead.

kneemos · 28-07-2016 11:31AM

Yay.1-1.

MarkR · 28-07-2016 11:37AM

So... Who's up for a bit of tyranny?

KenjiOdo · 28-07-2016 11:47AM

Sapphire wrote: »

Was this not down to them raiding Ireland for slaves, like St Patrick was?

Think you have that back to front?? St. Patrick was born in northern England, and taken as a slave to Ireland by pirates.

py2006 · 28-07-2016 11:51AM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Think you have that back to front?? St. Patrick was born in northern England, and taken as a slave to Ireland by pirates.

Welsh no?

KenjiOdo · 28-07-2016 11:58AM

py2006 wrote: »

Welsh no?

Sorry did you mean was St. Patrick Welsh?

Wiki - states GB, but a history of Ireland book I'm reading states northern England, up to debate but he definitely was not Irish, that's for sure.

whisky_galore · 28-07-2016 11:58AM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

It seems that they are using British to mean Anglo-Saxon and Irish to mean the pre-Roman peoples of Britain.

Change the thread title.

'Irish' and 'Celtic' are not necessarily the same thing.

Jawgap · 28-07-2016 12:00PM

Scotland is called Scotland because an Irish tribe - funnily enough called the Scoti/Scotti - who invaded, migrated and moved there in the 5th Century - the jocks tried to return the favour a few times, and invaded in 1315 to tackle the English here......they tried to put Edward Bruce (Robert the Bruce's brother) on the throne here - the intervention finished with the Battle of Faughart and Edward is buried on the Hill of Faughart.

Joe prim · 28-07-2016 12:01PM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Sorry did you mean was St. Patrick Welsh?

Wiki - states GB, but a history of Ireland book I'm reading states northern England, up to debate but he definitely was not Irish, that's for sure.

St Patrick not Irish? Outrageous, next you'll be telling us Santa Claus wasn't a real Eskimo and Rudolf was a gazelle.

Fratton Fred · 28-07-2016 12:05PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

It seems that they are using British to mean Anglo-Saxon and Irish to mean the pre-Roman peoples of Britain.

Change the thread title.

If they include Pictish as Irish (which would be incorrect) then I would have thought Scotland would be more than 44% Irish.

py2006 · 28-07-2016 12:05PM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Sorry did you mean was St. Patrick Welsh?

Wiki - states GB, but a history of Ireland book I'm reading states northern England, up to debate but he definitely was not Irish, that's for sure.

A quick Google will show that some historians believe he was born in Banwen in Wales.

KenjiOdo · 28-07-2016 12:06PM

Joe prim wrote: »

St Patrick not Irish? Outrageous, next you'll be telling us Santa Claus wasn't a real Eskimo and Rudolf was a gazelle.

Thanks for your input, did you actually read the thread before trying to derail it with your immaturity?

*Reported your post

KenjiOdo · 28-07-2016 12:15PM

py2006 wrote: »

A quick Google will show that some historians believe he was born in Banwen in Wales.

Why I said it was open to debate. Hard thing to prove so long ago..

*If you posted this originally instead of being a d|ck, you would have saved me this post.

py2006 · 28-07-2016 12:26PM

Charming, I was just pointing out why I thought he was from Wales

ancapailldorcha · 28-07-2016 12:35PM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Why I said it was open to debate. Hard thing to prove so long ago..

*If you posted this originally instead of being a d|ck, you would have saved me this post.

There's no need to be so uncivil. Cut it out please.

sesswhat · 28-07-2016 12:45PM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Thanks for your input, did you actually read the thread before trying to derail it with your immaturity?

*Reported your post

In what way is it possible to derail a thread in After Hours, about an article in a newspaper specialising in bull****, about a study carried out by a commercial company, also specialising in bull****?

cfuserkildare · 28-07-2016 01:22PM

Wasn't St Patrick Born in Wales, Trained as a Missionary in Orkney, then taken as a Slave by an Irish Clan?

Sapphire · 28-07-2016 01:53PM

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Wasn't St Patrick Born in Wales, Trained as a Missionary in Orkney, then taken as a Slave by an Irish Clan?

I had it the wrong way around so

Sorry!

LordSutch · 28-07-2016 02:09PM

I wonder what percentage of "Irish DNA" is descended from the Normans, Anglo Saxons etc?

...also, who were the Irish in the 1st place?

Surely to easiest & best way to get to Ireland post ice age was via the island of Britain, ergo surely the original settlers here were from Britain, or at least some of them were. This means that Irish people are actually the original Britons? Yes, no?

Discuss...

corner of hells · 28-07-2016 02:14PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I wonder what percentage of "Irish DNA" is descended from the Normans, Anglo Saxons etc?

...also, who were the Irish in the 1st place?

Surely to easiest & best way to get to Ireland post ice age was via the island of Britain, ergo surely the original settlers here were from Britain, or at least some of them were. This means that Irish people are actually the original Britons? Yes, no?

Discuss...

The Irish are descended from the leprechauns.

Javelin.

Badly Drunk Boy · 28-07-2016 02:15PM

corner of hells wrote: »

The Irish are descended from the leprechauns.

Javelin.

I think you meant "Javelinn..."

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 28-07-2016 02:18PM

There's nothing new in this. History has long taught us of the Irish settlement and subjugation of the Pacts.

Around A.D. 400, people from Dál Riata began to settle across the Irish Sea along the Scottish coast in County Argyll. Other Irish migrants were also establishing footholds along the coast farther south, as far as Wales and even Cornwall, but the migrants from Dál Riata were especially noteworthy because they were known to the Romans as "Scotti" and they would eventually give their Gaelic language and their name to all of what is now known as Scotland.

It's how Scotland became a Gaelic nation.

Badly Drunk Boy · 28-07-2016 02:24PM

cfuserkildare wrote: »

What time period is this information based on?

Scots requested to kick-out English in 1314-1317 taking around 5000 troops,

Amount of Irish that left Ireland and worked up from Liverpool to Ayr to Glasgow from 1842 onwards.

Would need DNA from before these events to exclude these 2 events alone, never mind how many previous visits we both made!!

It's possible to track where in the world your DNA came from (more or less). I've done two DNA tests for genealogical purposes (and boy was I sickened to find out I wasn't adopted! :pac: ) but my brother has done a few others which trace the areas our ancestors came from, going back hundreds and thousands of years. Mainly Irish, with a lot of older 'strains' going back to Scandinavia, Finland and tipping Russia, as well as some (not as strong) going to the Atlantic coast and central Europe.

The Irish invaded the UK.....actually

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