Hostage situation in French church

Sofiztikated · 26-07-2016 04:37PM

beach_walker wrote: »

I saw a map recently outlining terrorist attacks in Europe in the past few years by way of a red dot. Nowhere even came close to NI.

This one?

https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/images/START_GlobalTerrorismDatabase_TerroristAttacksConcentrationIntensityMap_45Years.png

Moo Moo Land · 26-07-2016 04:38PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

This one?

https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/images/START_GlobalTerrorismDatabase_TerroristAttacksConcentrationIntensityMap_45Years.png

Wow that is fascinating. Thanks.
Didn't think India was so volatile since 1971.
Bolivia also seems much quieter than I would expect.

beach_walker · 26-07-2016 04:38PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

This one?

https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/images/START_GlobalTerrorismDatabase_TerroristAttacksConcentrationIntensityMap_45Years.png

No, it was just covering the past 5 or 10 years. Interesting one you posted though.

Dyr · 26-07-2016 04:39PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I don't know how to put this tactfully, but IS must be getting pretty desperate if they're proudly claiming the murder of an 84 year-old priest. A pathetic organisation that, instead of displaying strength and terror, is increasingly showing how toothless and weak they are. They killed a defenseless elderly man in exchange for two of their 'soldiers'.
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The fact they could'nt pull anything off during the euros will tell you how things are going for ISIS.

The real danger is that they do what islamic extremists have being doing for a decade...make people afraid to criticize their looney tune belief system

Butters1979 · 26-07-2016 04:46PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

This one?

https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/images/START_GlobalTerrorismDatabase_TerroristAttacksConcentrationIntensityMap_45Years.png

What the hell happened in the middle of Alaska?

Skylinehead · 26-07-2016 04:46PM

beach_walker wrote: »

I don't think you know what the word means. Or what the Church teaches.

Here since you're an AH mod, would jokes have been permitted in the recent Orlando shootings thread?

Opposing gay marriage is homophobic in my eyes, so that's enough for me.

Jokes? Depends on the context really.

nullzero · 26-07-2016 05:05PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

What the hell happened in the middle of Alaska?

You clearly haven't played Metal Gear Solid, (and accepted the story as factual).

unseenfootage · 26-07-2016 05:07PM

Theresa May : "They are trying to destroy our way of life. They are trying to destroy our shared values."

jackofalltrades · 26-07-2016 05:14PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I posted this in the other (which one, there's loads at this stage!) tread.

For everyone that is bleeting on about Europe being more dangerous than ever, here's a link to the GTD (Global Terrorism Database) statistics for Western Europe.

http://www.datagraver.com/thumbs/1000x1000r/2016-07/we-terrorism-upd2016-7.png

It was worse in the past, but it was also more area specific and group specific.
There was also more targeting of the police, security services and government officials.
Also groups like ETA and the IRA could be reasoned with.

Islamic terrorism on the other hand sees everyone as fair game, their end goal is to wipe out our way of life.
You also have to remember that a lot of people don't remember the peak of that graph.
They grew up in times where terrorism was on the decline.
So Europe for them being more dangerous than ever only extends as far back as their memories.

Ulysses Gaze · 26-07-2016 05:35PM

I can see Le Pen becoming the next leader of France.

Then all hell is going to break loose.

Galwayguy35 · 26-07-2016 05:39PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Opposing gay marriage is homophobic in my eyes, so that's enough for me.

Jokes? Depends on the context really.

There should be no jokes on a thread about a priest having his throat cut by terrorists.

unseenfootage · 26-07-2016 05:41PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

It was worse in the past, but it was also more area specific and group specific.
There was also more targeting of the police, security services and government officials.
Also groups like ETA and the IRA could be reasoned with.

Islamic terrorism on the other hand sees everyone as fair game, their end goal is to wipe out our way of life.
You also have to remember that a lot of people don't remember the peak of that graph.
They grew up in times where terrorism was on the decline.
So Europe for them being more dangerous than ever only extends as far back as their memories.

That's it?
They're not at all bothered about us killing them and intervening in their countries?
All they are concerned with is destroying our way of life?

unseenfootage · 26-07-2016 05:43PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I can see Le Pen becoming the next leader of France.

Then all hell is going to break loose.

Quite possible that all of Europe will swing to the far right wing.

Ulysses Gaze · 26-07-2016 05:49PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Quite possible that all of Europe will swing to the far right wing.

I think we are beyond possible now. It is inevitable.

If people become scared, and they are becoming so across Europe, who will they vote for? A strong leader like Le Pen who says she'll take decisive action? Or a limp wristed Hollande who says the French may as well get used to terror attacks?

Same in Holland. Geert Wilders has laid out his plans for Muslims pretty much in Black and White. And it is not pretty. If there is a couple of attacks there he will get in. Even if there are no attacks, I can see him getting elected in the next 2 years if Europe goes to hell in a handbasket.

jmayo · 26-07-2016 05:49PM

beach_walker wrote: »

I saw a map recently outlining terrorist attacks in Europe in the past few years by way of a red dot. Nowhere even came close to NI.

Give it a fooking chance.
The troubles in NI ran for nigh on 30 years.

How many days in NI resulted in numbers dead like Madrid (192), London (53), Paris (20), Paris (130), Nice (84), Brussels (35).

The worst one day attack in NI was Omagh with it's 29 and that stood out in it's number of victims in the long saga of attacks.

Fred Swanson · 26-07-2016 05:51PM

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Ulysses Gaze · 26-07-2016 05:53PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I'm surprised we have not seen any retaliatory attacks on Mosques, religious schools, Muslim shops etc.

Lot's of Right Wing groups out there with an axe to grind and just waiting for an excuse.

Unless the media is keeping a lid on them.

storker · 26-07-2016 05:53PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Theresa May : "They are trying to destroy our way of life. They are trying to destroy our shared values."

She should give them honorary membership of the Tory party...

Ulysses Gaze · 26-07-2016 05:55PM

storker wrote: »

She should give them honorary membership of the Tory party...

Well it was the Socialist Labour Party that stirred up the hornets nest in Iraq and Afghanistan.

RustyNut · 26-07-2016 05:56PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

That's it?
They're not at all bothered about us killing them and intervening in their countries?
All they are concerned with is destroying our way of life?

That's exactly the problem. One bunch of nutters here saying them ones over there are a threat to our way of life so let's go and kill them.

Another bunch of nutters over there saying them ones over there are a threat to our way of life so let's go and kill them.

26-07-2016 05:59PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I think we are beyond possible now. It is inevitable.

If people become scared, and they are becoming so across Europe, who will they vote for? A strong leader like Le Pen who says she'll take decisive action? Or a limp wristed Hollande who says the French may as well get used to terror attacks?

False dichotomy.

Opinion polls are placing Alain Juppé as most likely to become the next President. He's been the most popular right-wing politician in France for decades, and intends to contest the nomination.

jackofalltrades · 26-07-2016 06:03PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

That's it?
They're not at all bothered about us killing them and intervening in their countries?
All they are concerned with is destroying our way of life?

Did I say that they weren't?

Widdershins · 26-07-2016 06:17PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I'm surprised we have not seen any retaliatory attacks on Mosques, religious schools, Muslim shops etc.
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There were complaints that the local mosque had a security presence but despite the church of the recent attack being on a hit list it had no protection . I suspect most people just want to get on with their lives and hope it stops rather than retaliating .

Widdershins · 26-07-2016 06:19PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Yep. My friends in Hungary are sick and tired of it and I totally understand why their country called a halt to mass immigration. They have a good grasp of history there too.

Fred Swanson · 26-07-2016 06:22PM

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OldRio · 26-07-2016 06:28PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Well it was the Socialist Labour Party that stirred up the hornets nest in Iraq and Afghanistan.

'Socialist'?

They certainly were not that at the time.

KindOfIrish · 26-07-2016 06:30PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Yep. My friends in Hungary are sick and tired of it and I totally understand why their country called a halt to mass immigration. They have a good grasp of history there too.

I spent 4 days in Budapest last April and saw just one Middle-Eastern person on the streets. He had been walking in front of me before was stopped by police. I had double feeling about it, but they certainly have it under control.

jmayo · 26-07-2016 06:32PM

Internment in some fashion has to come in France.

Supposedly one of the guys, 19 year old Adel K, was on watch list because he had tried to join ISIS.

The French authorities have lots of questions to answer.
Why were they not guarding or monitoring a church that was on terrorist hit list?
Why were they not monitoring an individual who was on terrorist watch list ?
Why was this person on bail ?

fed up sick and tired · 26-07-2016 06:32PM

dav3 wrote: »

You're not so naive as to think there are no racists on boards, or perhaps you are.

I'm sure there are. And they attract their equal and opposite idiocy, QED.

They're extremely easy to spot, they're the ones that will only comment on a crime if it's committed by someone of a certain skin colour or race.

Your criteria surely suffice for the usual assorted SJW's and right-on do-gooders - they're extremely easy to spot too.

Not good enough though, and certainly not as a blanket term for people who disagree with you. Which is what you did.

I would have thought that most of them would wear the terms 'right wing', 'xenophobe', 'bigot' and 'racist' as a badge of honour rather than cry about it.

You would have thought... but really what do you know ? The fact that you even imply 'right-wing' as being coterminous with those other things suggests 'not a lot'.

A Little Pony · 26-07-2016 06:34PM

conorhal wrote: »

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I sure hope that the Clonskeagh Mosque is under surveillance.

Cue.... WHY?

Well why not, given all that's going on at the moment.

Anyone know where they get their funding? I think it's either from Qatar or Saudi.

Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. We are afraid to ask.

But I'm sure our Secret Service has it all sorted.

Primetime did a (very cautious) special on Clonskeagh Mosque and it's links to the Muslim Brotherhood a few weeks ago. It's the first murmering I've ever seen by the Irish luvvies in RTE that all may not be well with 'moderate Islam' here in Ireland. It's was an interesting watch and clearly indicates that we are sleepwalking our way into the same problems that the continent suffers through sheer cowardice. Mr Halawa shoud be given the boot frankly.

Just keep it across the border.

Hostage situation in French church

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