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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

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  • #2072
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Well done on all your efforts for week 4 - be it 10k races or long, slow miles. I love the race-reports and read all your weekly updates.

    Week 5 is upon us :eek: and it's time to batten down the hatches and get the miles in. There are three weeks of running to do before we will start talking about races and PBs again (the FD10) - with the exception of Antwerp, who's doing the Bay10k.

    Battery Kinzie and Cameoette have both decided to defer their marathon plans to next year, but will hopefully hang around the thread to update us on their progress as they tackle the race-series events.

    The HHN1 plan sees another small jump in mileage, with mid-week easy runs of 3, 5, and 3 miles, with the long run jumping to double digits, 10M! :cool: If you feel strong, throw in a 3M recovery run in after the long-run.

    The boards plan jumps to over 30 miles this week, 4M, 6M w/ strides, 4M, and a 15M LSR :eek: - and hopefully at least one 3M rec run, too.

    The coming weeks are important. Mileage will go up, you will naturally feel tired and if the weather continues to be hot and humid, it won't be easy. Remember a couple of the basic things we've discussed:
    • Pace - no need to elaborate anymore, I hope :)
    • Running Form - relaxed pose, straight up. Do get in the habit to check yourself during your longer runs, for those tensed up shoulders, faces, arms, etc.
    • Hydration - keep a bottle of water near all day. Proper hydration isn't just gulping down some water just before and during a run - it is an ongoing habit all week.
    • Looking after yourself - stretches, foam-rolling, a massage, good food, good sleep, and okay, treat yourself to a glass of wine after your long run!

    Happy running, novices! :cool:


  • #2073
    aceygray
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭aceygray


    Here's a brief race report of my Fingal 10k. Overall very happy. I said beforehand that I would be happy with sub 50, but secretly I really wanted to run a pb. I never run with a watch, so can't tell you what my splits were, just how I felt.

    I had a bad migraine all day Saturday, so I spent most of the day in bed. It was gone by Saturday evening, but then I found it hard to sleep that night. So I woke up fairly tired on Sunday.

    I had the alarm set for 7, got up, had porridge and a pint of water, then went back to bed til 8.30. Got up, had coffee, got ready, and left the house around 9. My boyfriend drove, which was handy, I had someone to meet me at the end with my stuff.

    Between parking and using the toilet, I didn't have a whole lot of time before the start. I never normally bother with much of a warm up anyway, so I just hopped over the barrier near where I thought I should be (towards end of first wave).

    Like a few others said, it was very congested at the start. Also, lots of people running with headphones - clearly not boardsies! I didn't feel great in the first km - a bit weak, wobbly legs. Seems to happen me a lot at the start of races. Maybe adrenaline? Anyway, I felt good by the time I passed the 1km mark, and had more space to run at my own pace.

    Km 2 and 3 absolutely flew by! I would guess this was my fastest part of the course. A nice breeze here, which we lost when we turned into the little country roads. I ran past the start of the first water station, where most of the congestion normally is, and took a cup from near the end. Gulped down a mouthful, and poured the rest over me. It is hard to drink out of those little cups while running!

    I felt ok for the next few km. Tried to keep a good steady pace & watch my posture. The heat and humidity were the main issues. Also, the pollen count must have been quite high, because my nose was going crazy. I started to feel a bit uncomfortable & dehydrated by km 7, and I could have done with the second water station a bit sooner. Tried to swallow as much as I could this time.

    The firebrigade around km 8 were very welcome! Got a nice misting to cool me down. Kept a steady pace up the hill back towards the town. The support on the course definitely helped at this stage. Tried to push it a bit in the last km. Was very happily surprised to turn the corner to the finish and see the clock had not yet reached 46 mins! A short sprint to the line, with a massive smile on my face! Chip time 45.20, an new pb by nearly 2 minutes! Yay!

    But also a bit annoyed, because I really think I could have gone faster. Still, that's not the main thing, right? I think after the marathon is over my next goal will be a sub 45 10k. I really enjoy this distance.

    Hung around the airtricity tent for a while afterwards, but didn't see any boardsies. Hopefully will manage to meet a few of you at the 10 miler, or if we organise an LSR meetup.

    Congrats everyone who did it!


  • #2074
    spaceylou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    aceygray wrote: »
    I didn't feel great in the first km - a bit weak, wobbly legs. Seems to happen me a lot at the start of races. Maybe adrenaline? Anyway, I felt good by the time I passed the 1km mark, and had more space to run at my own pace.

    This happens me at the start of races as well, glad to know I not the only one - I find it very off-putting!

    Well done on your pb, great running.


  • #2075
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    A big step back in milage for me this week with the revised plan for the fingal 10k. It was always my intention to blend into the actualy plan in Fingal 10k week and then do the milage as per plan so thats the plan from here on in.

    Day|miles|pace|Heart Rate|Time Minutes
    Monday Rest|-| - |-| -
    Tuesday Easy|3.2|10:12|135|32:41|
    Wednesday Easy|6:01|10:31|132|63:40
    Thursday rest + Pilates|-|-|-|-|
    Friday 4 mile with strides|4.06|10:00|136|40.37
    Saturday Rest|-|-|-|-
    Sunday Fingal 10k|6.2|8:59|148|55:41
    Totals|||19:47 Miles|03:11:27 Hours


  • #2076
    GOOSEPAUL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭GOOSEPAUL


    Not a good week. Felt exhausted all week and every run was was a battle. First time feeling like this so took more rest days than runs.

    Monday: 8.7 miles
    Tuesday: Rest
    Wednesday: Rest
    Thursday: 10 miles
    Friday: Rest
    Saturday: 16 miles

    I've been getting up at 5am to get my weekly lsr done and to avoid the heat. I had no motivation on Saturday to run. Got up, had a bowel of porridge and just looked at my running gear for 30 minutes before I finally got my ass of the sofa and ran out the door.

    The first 5 miles I kept thinking about turning around and going back to bed. Took a gel and put the head down. After awhile I started to enjoy the run and felt great.

    Thanks for the money tip for stopping at a shop as I had run out of water by mile 10. Stocked up (no twix) and continued on my way.

    Ran 16 miles in the end and could have done another 1 or 2.

    Going to take advantage of the gym in work to get my smaller runs out of the way so I can go to bed earlier.

    Well done to all of you completing the 10km. I really enjoyed reading the race reports. Can't believe we are in week 5 already.

    Best of luck with your runs this week


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  • #2077
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    GOOSEPAUL wrote: »
    Not a good week. Felt exhausted all week and every run was was a battle. First time feeling like this so took more rest days than runs.

    Monday: 8.7 miles
    Tuesday: Rest
    Wednesday: Rest
    Thursday: 10 miles
    Friday: Rest
    Saturday: 16 miles

    I've been getting up at 5am to get my weekly lsr done and to avoid the heat. I had no motivation on Saturday to run. Got up, had a bowel of porridge and just looked at my running gear for 30 minutes before I finally got my ass of the sofa and ran out the door.

    The first 5 miles I kept thinking about turning around and going back to bed. Took a gel and put the head down. After awhile I started to enjoy the run and felt great.

    Thanks for the money tip for stopping at a shop as I had run out of water by mile 10. Stocked up (no twix) and continued on my way.

    Ran 16 miles in the end and could have done another 1 or 2.

    Going to take advantage of the gym in work to get my smaller runs out of the way so I can go to bed earlier.

    Well done to all of you completing the 10km. I really enjoyed reading the race reports. Can't believe we are in week 5 already.

    Best of luck with your runs this week

    Brilliant, Funny how those runs we struggle to start but get into a few miles in can actually turn out be some of the most enjoyable.

    There's a tip that many here have posted for those days when we don't really want to run , and that is to convince yourself to go out for 10 minutes and if you're still not feeling the love after 10 minutes you get to go home, with a 20 minute run under your belt. I've used that a few times myself and have yet to go home after the 10 minutes.


  • #2078
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,652 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Good to hear about the Fingal 10k, saw plenty of t-shirts around Swords on my way to Star Trek Beyond. :) Not long until the FD 10 miler. :eek:

    Week 4, HHN1

    Tues: 3.13 mi. Time: 30:11. 9:38 min/mi, Avg Pace
    Weds: 4.07 mi. Time: 37:22. 9:11 min/mi, Avg Pace
    Friday: 3.04 mi. Time: 28:29. 9:23 min/mi, Avg Pace
    Sat: 9.05 mi. Time: 1:45:49. 11:41 min/mi, Avg Pace - sun started to kick around 10am, bit muggy out there. Legs felt a little stiff on one or two of the runs, Saturday was better for shaking off the cobwebs. Sleep was pretty poor last week.

    Week 3
    Week 2
    Week 1

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  • #2079
    kittyclaws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭kittyclaws


    I went to log my miles and I was missing from the sheet :O
    I think I've patched it up but I'm only on my mobile - can someone with excel knowledge check I've properly fixed it?
    Trying hard not to take this as a bad omen!!! :S


  • #2080
    kittyclaws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭kittyclaws


    I went to log my miles and I was missing from the sheet :O
    I think I've patched it up but I'm only on my mobile - can someone with excel knowledge check I've properly fixed it?
    Trying hard not to take this as a bad omen!!! :S


  • #2081
    FITZA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭FITZA


    kittyclaws wrote: »
    I went to log my miles and I was missing from the sheet :O
    I think I've patched it up but I'm only on my mobile - can someone with excel knowledge check I've properly fixed it?
    Trying hard not to take this as a bad omen!!! :S

    You're there kittyclaws....runs in for the week :)


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  • #2082
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    kittyclaws wrote: »
    I went to log my miles and I was missing from the sheet :O
    I think I've patched it up but I'm only on my mobile - can someone with excel knowledge check I've properly fixed it?
    Trying hard not to take this as a bad omen!!! :S

    Looking at the revision history it appears that The Muppet went to add his 3.2 miles and somehow inadvertently deleted you. :) Your totals were broke but I just fixed it for you.


  • #2083
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Looking at the revision history it appears that The Muppet went to add his 3.2 miles and somehow inadvertently deleted you. :) Your totals were broke but I just fixed it for you.



    :o so sorry , havn't a clue how that happened

    Thanks for fixing it max


  • #2084
    kittyclaws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭kittyclaws


    Sabotage!!
    No worries, usually it's me who breaks forms, I don't get on with excel :D
    Thank you MA!


  • #2085
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    No biggie, you can't break it too bad because all the historical changes are saved anyway.


  • #2086
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    aceygray wrote: »
    Here's a brief race report of my Fingal 10k. Overall very happy. I said beforehand that I would be happy with sub 50, but secretly I really wanted to run a pb. I never run with a watch, so can't tell you what my splits were, just how I felt.

    I had a bad migraine all day Saturday, so I spent most of the day in bed. It was gone by Saturday evening, but then I found it hard to sleep that night. So I woke up fairly tired on Sunday.

    I had the alarm set for 7, got up, had porridge and a pint of water, then went back to bed til 8.30. Got up, had coffee, got ready, and left the house around 9. My boyfriend drove, which was handy, I had someone to meet me at the end with my stuff.

    Between parking and using the toilet, I didn't have a whole lot of time before the start. I never normally bother with much of a warm up anyway, so I just hopped over the barrier near where I thought I should be (towards end of first wave).

    Like a few others said, it was very congested at the start. Also, lots of people running with headphones - clearly not boardsies! I didn't feel great in the first km - a bit weak, wobbly legs. Seems to happen me a lot at the start of races. Maybe adrenaline? Anyway, I felt good by the time I passed the 1km mark, and had more space to run at my own pace.

    Km 2 and 3 absolutely flew by! I would guess this was my fastest part of the course. A nice breeze here, which we lost when we turned into the little country roads. I ran past the start of the first water station, where most of the congestion normally is, and took a cup from near the end. Gulped down a mouthful, and poured the rest over me. It is hard to drink out of those little cups while running!

    I felt ok for the next few km. Tried to keep a good steady pace & watch my posture. The heat and humidity were the main issues. Also, the pollen count must have been quite high, because my nose was going crazy. I started to feel a bit uncomfortable & dehydrated by km 7, and I could have done with the second water station a bit sooner. Tried to swallow as much as I could this time.

    The firebrigade around km 8 were very welcome! Got a nice misting to cool me down. Kept a steady pace up the hill back towards the town. The support on the course definitely helped at this stage. Tried to push it a bit in the last km. Was very happily surprised to turn the corner to the finish and see the clock had not yet reached 46 mins! A short sprint to the line, with a massive smile on my face! Chip time 45.20, an new pb by nearly 2 minutes! Yay!

    But also a bit annoyed, because I really think I could have gone faster. Still, that's not the main thing, right? I think after the marathon is over my next goal will be a sub 45 10k. I really enjoy this distance.

    Hung around the airtricity tent for a while afterwards, but didn't see any boardsies. Hopefully will manage to meet a few of you at the 10 miler, or if we organise an LSR meetup.

    Congrats everyone who did it!

    Awesome, aceygray! Sounds like you toughened it out really well, and I'm pleased to hear you have more in the tank if needed. You're right, it's not the main thing for now, and you'll nail that sub-45 soon after.

    Pity we never got to meet you. Well done again!


  • #2087
    MonkstownHoop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭MonkstownHoop


    Howdy, haven't posted much here but I've decided to move from the HHN1 plan after week 3 effectively, I've decided to use one of the plans from IR magazine, it's a step up from HHN1 but not as rigourous as Boards plan and with long runs on Sundays and a feeling how work schedules are heading it will suit me better, is it possible to change my plans on the log sheet as I'm still going to use it and this thread going forward?

    I also done the Fingal 10k yesterday and it was by far my worst race I've done so far. Saturday afternoon I felt a little unwell and didn't have the greatest nights sleep and was a little groggy all morning, standingat the start I even thought to myself what am I doing here.
    So the race started and on top of my general feeling I was feeling uncomfortable from chafing that occurred on one of my midweek runs in the warm weather, I'd worn compression shorts under my shorts to combat this.
    First 2k where up and down and then I spotted a guy I knew and trailed him knowing if I keep this pace I'll have a decent run if no PB.
    I skipped the water station as I generally do at this distance and when I came to 5k I was along side the guy I was following and really felt alot better, so I kicked on from here and flew the last 5k, the fire brigades hose was a nice cool down.
    Finished in 46.16 and despite all that went wrong I can only think that on a good day there was a sub 45 there for me, but I'll put it in the bank and move forward!


  • #2088
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    GOOSEPAUL wrote: »
    Not a good week. Felt exhausted all week and every run was was a battle. First time feeling like this so took more rest days than runs.

    Monday: 8.7 miles
    Tuesday: Rest
    Wednesday: Rest
    Thursday: 10 miles
    Friday: Rest
    Saturday: 16 miles

    I've been getting up at 5am to get my weekly lsr done and to avoid the heat. I had no motivation on Saturday to run. Got up, had a bowel of porridge and just looked at my running gear for 30 minutes before I finally got my ass of the sofa and ran out the door.

    The first 5 miles I kept thinking about turning around and going back to bed. Took a gel and put the head down. After awhile I started to enjoy the run and felt great.

    Thanks for the money tip for stopping at a shop as I had run out of water by mile 10. Stocked up (no twix) and continued on my way.

    Ran 16 miles in the end and could have done another 1 or 2.

    Going to take advantage of the gym in work to get my smaller runs out of the way so I can go to bed earlier.

    Well done to all of you completing the 10km. I really enjoyed reading the race reports. Can't believe we are in week 5 already.

    Best of luck with your runs this week

    Hey GOOSEPAUL - well done for toughening it out. The Muppet makes a great point - even if you go out for 1 mile, and you need to come back, you've still 2 more miles in the bank. Really glad you managed to turn it around.

    What program are you following? 8, 10, 16M seems a hard way to cover ~25 easy M. Yep, consider running more, shorter midweek stuff like HHN/boards plans? I hope you don't have to run them on a dreadmill. It's okay to feel tired occasionally but it shouldn't be an ongoing state.

    I hope this week is going better for you.


  • #2089
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    MonkstownHoop wrote: »
    Howdy, haven't posted much here but I've decided to move from the HHN1 plan after week 3 effectively, I've decided to use one of the plans from IR magazine, it's a step up from HHN1 but not as rigourous as Boards plan and with long runs on Sundays and a feeling how work schedules are heading it will suit me better, is it possible to change my plans on the log sheet as I'm still going to use it and this thread going forward?

    I also done the Fingal 10k yesterday and it was by far my worst race I've done so far. Saturday afternoon I felt a little unwell and didn't have the greatest nights sleep and was a little groggy all morning, standingat the start I even thought to myself what am I doing here.
    So the race started and on top of my general feeling I was feeling uncomfortable from chafing that occurred on one of my midweek runs in the warm weather, I'd worn compression shorts under my shorts to combat this.
    First 2k where up and down and then I spotted a guy I knew and trailed him knowing if I keep this pace I'll have a decent run if no PB.
    I skipped the water station as I generally do at this distance and when I came to 5k I was along side the guy I was following and really felt alot better, so I kicked on from here and flew the last 5k, the fire brigades hose was a nice cool down.
    Finished in 46.16 and despite all that went wrong I can only think that on a good day there was a sub 45 there for me, but I'll put it in the bank and move forward!

    Hey MonkstownHoop - I hope you're settling into your new plan soon, and that it works out for you. Do settle and stick to it, having the structure of a good training plan is a big advantage. Of course, go ahead and log the miles in the tracker.

    Good job getting through the rough patch in the 10k - it seems a common theme that you all feel there's more and better races to come - but for now, let's focus on the main thing! Well done anyway, that's not a bad time at all under those circumstances.


  • #2090
    Fbjm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭Fbjm


    Well, Saturday's long run went fantastic. I went from Malahide to Connolly Station, a distance of 15.1km. I overshot my goal by ~600m since I really wanted to be able to say I'd run from my front door to Connolly. Getting to town was... surreal honestly. Like, I left Malahide, went through the village, through Kinsealy, Balgriffin, onto Clare Hall, Through Coolock to Coolock Village, to Donnycarney and next thing I knew I was in Clontarf coming into Fareview and just... running, like running through it through East Wall over the bridge and it was right there in front of me. I remember running past Fareview Park trying to wrap my mind around the fact that I hadn't taken public transport to get there, but just run from my house and didn't stop. It was weird. I didn't even tire. Luckily as soon as I hit Connolly a 42 bus came along and I hopped straight on. It was the first time I actually believed I might be able to run this damn thing in October, if I can do 15.1km and feel relatively fine after then what's stopping me from tripling it? A month ago I ran 12km and very nearly died on the way and now look at me. HHN1 is a godsend and come my paycheck this week the first thing I'm buying is my spot on the starting line for the marathon.


  • #2091
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    kittyclaws wrote: »
    Sabotage!!
    No worries, usually it's me who breaks forms, I don't get on with excel :D
    Thank you MA!


    Thats it , well what else could you expect from the muppet.


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  • #2092
    Antodoran136
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 ✭Antodoran136


    Two weeks ago was when the first symptoms came at me after hill sprints pain right through my knee during the night after it pain was gone next morning until my 13.1 mile run two weeks back around the 5 mile mark my knee locked up and there was a real nagging pain in it .i decided to rest for 5 days from the long run and done a nice handy 6mile on Thursday last week felt ok so said I'd head out and try my lsr Saturday .the pain was very bad at the start in the side of my knee and was struggling at times but it eased off and around the 6mile mark I couldn't feel it anymore at all ended up doing 15miles Saturday but I could barely walk after it and on Sunday it was a little better. I went out for a 4 mile jog last night and my worst fear is the pain is now in my right knee too and is so tender this morning I'm like an old man here this morning I'm thinking this is not good maybe I'm not suited to the marathon training I'm a bit guy maybe my body is not suited for it And can't take the strain . Bloody gutted about it to be honest I'm reading online you need 4-5 weeks rest for runners knee to heal sure at this stage that's not possible at all .. Best of luck to all you guys stay injury free and enjoy it all ...


  • #2093
    jameshayes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    Antodoran136 wrote: »
    Two weeks ago was when the first symptoms came at me after hill sprints pain right through my knee during the night after it pain was gone next morning until my 13.1 mile run two weeks back around the 5 mile mark my knee locked up and there was a real nagging pain in it .i decided to rest for 5 days from the long run and done a nice handy 6mile on Thursday last week felt ok so said I'd head out and try my lsr Saturday .the pain was very bad at the start in the side of my knee and was struggling at times but it eased off and around the 6mile mark I couldn't feel it anymore at all ended up doing 15miles Saturday but I could barely walk after it and on Sunday it was a little better. I went out for a 4 mile jog last night and my worst fear is the pain is now in my right knee too and is so tender this morning I'm like an old man here this morning I'm thinking this is not good maybe I'm not suited to the marathon training I'm a bit guy maybe my body is not suited for it And can't take the strain . Bloody gutted about it to be honest I'm reading online you need 4-5 weeks rest for runners knee to heal sure at this stage that's not possible at all .. Best of luck to all you guys stay injury free and enjoy it all ...

    Almost identical story to a lad in work - he threw in the towel.. a few months later it was still bothering him so he went to a physio - turned out to be a really minor issue and he was sorted in no time at all.. Just because you think its bad, it may not be!

    Go to a physio, it could be worth the few quid..


  • #2094
    tailgunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭tailgunner


    I had a very similar problem last year. Went to a physio who diagnosed the issue straight away and had me back running after a week and a half. I've had no issues since.


  • #2095
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    +1 - get yourself seen to, Antodoran136. Good luck and hopefully we'll see you around these parts.


  • #2096
    diego_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Antodoran136 wrote: »
    Two weeks ago was when the first symptoms came at me after hill sprints pain right through my knee during the night after it pain was gone next morning until my 13.1 mile run two weeks back around the 5 mile mark my knee locked up and there was a real nagging pain in it .i decided to rest for 5 days from the long run and done a nice handy 6mile on Thursday last week felt ok so said I'd head out and try my lsr Saturday .the pain was very bad at the start in the side of my knee and was struggling at times but it eased off and around the 6mile mark I couldn't feel it anymore at all ended up doing 15miles Saturday but I could barely walk after it and on Sunday it was a little better. I went out for a 4 mile jog last night and my worst fear is the pain is now in my right knee too and is so tender this morning I'm like an old man here this morning I'm thinking this is not good maybe I'm not suited to the marathon training I'm a bit guy maybe my body is not suited for it And can't take the strain . Bloody gutted about it to be honest I'm reading online you need 4-5 weeks rest for runners knee to heal sure at this stage that's not possible at all .. Best of luck to all you guys stay injury free and enjoy it all ...

    Hi there, rest will not cure the issue (it will more than likely return as soon as you build up mileage again) so you need to get to a physio for assistance on how to deal with it. It could be something very simple like some specific strength work or adjusting your plan a bit.


  • #2097
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    I made the mistake of doing a bit of reading and filling my little head with thoughts and ideas and such. I was reading about lactate threshold and how great running at that pace apparently is for making you race faster and now I'm wondering... should I be concerned that we never run at this pace during marathon training? :eek:


  • #2098
    paddydriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭paddydriver


    diego_b wrote: »
    Hi there, rest will not cure the issue (it will more than likely return as soon as you build up mileage again) so you need to get to a physio for assistance on how to deal with it. It could be something very simple like some specific strength work or adjusting your plan a bit.

    Hey Antodoran.. Sorry to hear about the knees. Myself and Diego discussed knees a bit some weeks back so may be worth looking back on that. My knees are fairly good at the moment but can give trouble at no notice.

    I am taking Glucosamine and Chondroitin Sulphate for some months now and I think it may be starting to help. I take them using Sona Joint Plan, 3 a day. They are pricey but I stock up using the 3 for 2 deals in varying pharmacies and Boots etc. I compared pricing to the Boots own brand etc. and still cannot beat them on price. The key thing for me was to build up my legs around the knee so that knees had more support - I spent whole winter last doing that by way of leg specific weights etc. and lots of low impact stuff - Spinning classes. It seems to be serving me well now and hopefully gets me to the starting line in Oct! My right knee does start to get a little sore on the LSR but nothing major. I used to get knee lockups often when going up or down stairs but have not had that is years now - best thing I did was lose weight! Would have assumed it would get worse with age but things have vastly improved.

    Guess what I am trying to say is that with the right care and exercising you can get around knee issues. Its a catch 22 unfortunately as the best thing for knees is to exercise and if carrying any extra weight then get that off.. via exercise!

    Hopefully all is not over.. give it some rest and see how all goes.


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    FBOT01
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    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    I made the mistake of doing a bit of reading and filling my little head with thoughts and ideas and such. I was reading about lactate threshold and how great running at that pace apparently is for making you race faster and now I'm wondering... should I be concerned that we never run at this pace during marathon training? :eek:

    I suggest you find a Man In Black and ask him to clear your memory and stick to the plan ;)

    The plan will get you there if you stay patient and keep the faith.

    If you have any spare time at this stage is best to get offline and use it to do a bit of stretching or S&C or even get yourself to bed a little earlier :)


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    FBOT01
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    Antodoran136 wrote: »
    Two weeks ago was when the first symptoms came at me after hill sprints pain right through my knee during the night after it pain was gone next morning until my 13.1 mile run two weeks back around the 5 mile mark my knee locked up and there was a real nagging pain in it .i decided to rest for 5 days from the long run and done a nice handy 6mile on Thursday last week felt ok so said I'd head out and try my lsr Saturday .the pain was very bad at the start in the side of my knee and was struggling at times but it eased off and around the 6mile mark I couldn't feel it anymore at all ended up doing 15miles Saturday but I could barely walk after it and on Sunday it was a little better. I went out for a 4 mile jog last night and my worst fear is the pain is now in my right knee too and is so tender this morning I'm like an old man here this morning I'm thinking this is not good maybe I'm not suited to the marathon training I'm a bit guy maybe my body is not suited for it And can't take the strain . Bloody gutted about it to be honest I'm reading online you need 4-5 weeks rest for runners knee to heal sure at this stage that's not possible at all .. Best of luck to all you guys stay injury free and enjoy it all ...
    jameshayes wrote: »
    Almost identical story to a lad in work - he threw in the towel.. a few months later it was still bothering him so he went to a physio - turned out to be a really minor issue and he was sorted in no time at all.. Just because you think its bad, it may not be!

    Go to a physio, it could be worth the few quid..
    tailgunner wrote: »
    I had a very similar problem last year. Went to a physio who diagnosed the issue straight away and had me back running after a week and a half. I've had no issues since.
    nop98 wrote: »
    +1 - get yourself seen to, Antodoran136. Good luck and hopefully we'll see you around these parts.
    diego_b wrote: »
    Hi there, rest will not cure the issue (it will more than likely return as soon as you build up mileage again) so you need to get to a physio for assistance on how to deal with it. It could be something very simple like some specific strength work or adjusting your plan a bit.

    Plus one to all these. There are many potential causes of your issue and as many again potential solutions. Until you get a proper competent diagnosis you are just shooting in the dark. Even if you are calling it a day on DCM get to Physio to ensure you avoid ending up with a lasting niggle that could be easily resolved if treated correctly now.


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    Like a few others (I think) I have the DLR 10k booked for next Monday. Looking for some guidance on how we should approach this week - I am on the Boards Modified plan to date and all going well. I'm thinking of doing the 6M + strides today, 4M easy tomorrow and then possibly pull LSR forward to Thursday or Friday - I like my LSR; don't want missing it..:-)

    Finally, can someone maybe just refresh re the "Strides" and what they involve? I see it down as 6M with 5 x 100M Strides - is that the 100M strides integrated into each mile and are they just a faster segment?

    Any help would be appreciated.
    Thanks


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