Alternative to Eflow as due to dispute cannot be used

keane2097 · 25-07-2016 12:40PM

The animus towards a perfectly effective PAYG with auto-top up system by pompous 'adults' here is pretty laughable.

_Kaiser_ · 25-07-2016 02:17PM

keane2097 wrote: »

The animus towards a perfectly effective PAYG with auto-top up system by pompous 'adults' here is pretty laughable.

Wrong.. if a PAYG system suits you and your usage then fair enough.. work away.

As I've said I prefer a post-pay system without the need to maintain "credit", or have unexpected DD asks on my account if usage that month goes over the balance, and receive a single monthly bill as a result.

I also see no reason why I should have to take a (for my usage inferior) PAYG setup when Easytrip DO offer a post-pay solution as well for some customers.

Foo King Ell · 25-07-2016 02:34PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Wrong.. if a PAYG system suits you and your usage then fair enough.. work away.

As I've said I prefer a post-pay system without the need to maintain "credit", or have unexpected DD asks on my account if usage that month goes over the balance, and receive a single monthly bill as a result.

I also see no reason why I should have to take a (for my usage inferior) PAYG setup when Easytrip DO offer a post-pay solution as well for some customers.

So, there was a voucher on this thread somewhere which gave you €20 free credit when you open an account, so that's not even your money that your worrying about for the "credit" balance of €6. Easytrip are basically giving you the low balance, and some free money for tolling too.
Ring Easytrip, ask them for a post paid account, tell them you are a sole trader. Get the forms filled out for your bank references, send your ID and two utility bills in, get credit checked and get your post pay account. Let us all know how you get on.

keane2097 · 25-07-2016 03:14PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Wrong.. if a PAYG system suits you and your usage then fair enough.. work away.

As I've said I prefer a post-pay system without the need to maintain "credit", or have unexpected DD asks on my account if usage that month goes over the balance, and receive a single monthly bill as a result.

I also see no reason why I should have to take a (for my usage inferior) PAYG setup when Easytrip DO offer a post-pay solution as well for some customers.

I understand that you prefer it one way.

Your idea that PAYG is for kids because you are afraid of unexpected direct debits is bizarre, however.

A kid might be in trouble with an unexpected direct debit because it could be his last €20, I can't see why a grown up would have to worry about it.

The fact is, unless there is something you are not mentioning about how you use tolls your total opposition to a PAYG system is based on one extremely mild irritation that couldn't even be called an inconvenience unless your bank account is regularly at €0 the week before pay day.

_Kaiser_ · 25-07-2016 03:30PM

keane2097 wrote: »

I understand that you prefer it one way.

Your idea that PAYG is for kids because you afraid of unexpected direct debits is bizarre, however.

A kid might be in trouble with an unexpected direct debit because it could be his last €20, I can't see why a grown up would have to worry about it.

The fact is, unless there is something you are not mentioning about how you use tolls your total opposition to a PAYG system is based on one extremely mild irritation that couldn't even be called an inconvenience unless your bank account is regularly at €0 the week before pay day.

You're not going to convert/convince me and my choice is my own.. just as your willingness to deal with PAYG is yours.

It doesn't mean I can't afford an unexpected toll DD.. I just prefer a single bill on a fixed date whenever possible - and preferably without the need to let Irish companies direct access to my account as my experiences there (as I referred to in a previous post) aren't exactly positive either, and I've wasted more than enough hours reclaiming my money when they inevitably screw up without adding another opportunity for it.

Easytrip offer post-pay/single billing to their "business" customers so there's obviously no technical limitation why they can't do so for the rest. The only reason I can infer (and they do have reps on Boards who occasionally post so maybe they'll correct me) is that they don't "trust" ordinary folks to pay the bills - much the same reason for example as why Topaz stopped offering monthly terms on their standard fuel cards previously for example, and while I can understand this to an extent, I resent the implication that I am assumed to be a "credit risk" by default.

Bottom line though is that a deal will be worked out - either before the deadline or shortly thereafter when people who have been caught out (cause you know it'll happen regardless of the emails, tweets and news coverage) start complaining to both sides and others about it.

Until then I'll just use cash or potentially just bypass the affected toll (by my reckoning it'd only add 15 minutes to the trip in question) unless Easytrip decide to open the post-pay option to all in the interim.

keane2097 · 25-07-2016 03:48PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

You're not going to convert/convince me and my choice is my own.. just as your willingness to deal with PAYG is yours.

It doesn't mean I can't afford an unexpected toll DD.. I just prefer a single bill on a fixed date whenever possible - and preferably without the need to let Irish companies direct access to my account as my experiences there (as I referred to in a previous post) aren't exactly positive either, and I've wasted more than enough hours reclaiming my money when they inevitably screw up without adding another opportunity for it.

Easytrip offer post-pay/single billing to their "business" customers so there's obviously no technical limitation why they can't do so for the rest. The only reason I can infer (and they do have reps on Boards who occasionally post so maybe they'll correct me) is that they don't "trust" ordinary folks to pay the bills - much the same reason for example as why Topaz stopped offering monthly terms on their standard fuel cards previously for example, and while I can understand this to an extent, I resent the implication that I am assumed to be a "credit risk" by default.

Bottom line though is that a deal will be worked out - either before the deadline or shortly thereafter when people who have been caught out (cause you know it'll happen regardless of the emails, tweets and news coverage) start complaining to both sides and others about it.

Until then I'll just use cash or potentially just bypass the affected toll (by my reckoning it'd only add 15 minutes to the trip in question) unless Easytrip decide to open the post-pay option to all in the interim.

So long as you aren't labouring under the misapprehension that your discomfort with direct debits makes you an adult while the rest of us are kids who don't pay their own bills I'm happy enough.

_Kaiser_ · 25-07-2016 03:56PM

keane2097 wrote: »

So long as you aren't labouring under the misapprehension that your discomfort with direct debits makes you an adult while the rest of us are kids who don't pay their own bills I'm happy enough.

Oh believe me, I'd much rather let a fully automated online system manage it, but my experience with multiple companies across several industries show that too often this can't be relied on and in each instance it's involved numerous calls, escalations and frustration to resolve while I've been out of pocket in the interim - and I'm not talking about €20 either

The way I do it now in most cases is that a bill arrives, I review, and then process the payment myself via online banking or the An Post MyBills site.. it's more hassle for me, but at least I know that it's been processed correctly.

PAYG is in my opinion an inferior system better suited for occasional use or for those who (for whatever reason) prefer not to have a monthly commitment.. you may disagree and that's entirely your right however all I want in this instance (to bring it back on topic) is the same option from Easytrip that 1) I already have with eFlow and 2) they do already offer some of their customers.

Anyway we're wayy off course and not going to agree so I'll leave it at that

Foo King Ell · 25-07-2016 04:03PM

did you try to ring them and ask for your hearts desire?

Foo King Ell · 25-07-2016 04:04PM

PM Easytrip on Twitter or Facebook with your number. They seem to be all over this switching process at the moment.

Damien360 · 25-07-2016 04:19PM

Alqua wrote: »

Further debating the above..! For those with easytrip, how does it work for you? May be silly questions but - it can't go into minus at all, right? So I need to keep my account topped up very regularly or just top up once a month with the best guess of what I'll use in a month? My bill with eflow usually varies.

I am just off the phone with easytrip and pulled the trigger to dump eflow. Couldn't be arsed waiting anymore.

The top-up amount is set by you. They recommend setting this the same as your monthly usage (use an average - mine goes from 60 to 80 per month). Once it hits 6 euro, they trigger an auto top-up by bank or credit card (your choice again).

Monthly statements online or email as pdf. Paper bills available at a charge.

Choice of 2 tags. One that will fit your existing holder, or their preference is a new tag and holder. I went with the new one. Have to try dig the eflow holder off my windscreen !

Business accounts (post pay option) is only available for users with 500 euro per month usage.

It was straight forward to set up, could have done it online myself but I had some queries to be answered so I set it all up by phone.

_Kaiser_ · 25-07-2016 04:23PM

Foo King Ell wrote: »

did you try to ring them and ask for your hearts desire?

I contacted them and the position (certainly just over a week ago) was that consumers can only have the PAYG option

Foo King Ell · 25-07-2016 06:17PM

hmmm. Not what I heard...I'll get back to you

marno21 · 25-07-2016 09:10PM

SBP: TII and Celtic Roads Group to meet this week over contract dispute

https://www.businesspost.ie/tii-and-celtic-roads-group-meet-this-week-on-contracts-dispute/

Carawaystick · 27-07-2016 01:01PM

markpb wrote: »

The monthly fee is a euro.

Its 1.23 when the vat is added on

garbeth · 27-07-2016 01:36PM

Carawaystick wrote: »

Its 1.23 when the vat is added on

Same as eflow. With easy trip you can buy the tag for a once off of €25 and the monthly fee is reduced to .62 a month

Foo King Ell · 27-07-2016 05:59PM

garbeth wrote: »

Same as eflow. With easy trip you can buy the tag for a once off of €25 and the monthly fee is reduced to .62 a month

That's true, also if you are a two car family, like me, then you get reduced monthly fee on the second tag. €0.92, which is something not offered by any other provider that I can see?

that's 25% off if you have two cars on your account, which I imagine a lot of people do.

Craigevans1985 · 29-07-2016 11:42AM

Update on eFlow announcement now. It's 11am on the 31st August. So you'll get to work on the eFlow tag and then need cash for the way home.

Autosport · 31-07-2016 01:30AM

I see the signs are up at the N25 Waterford. We have until the 31st of August.

Sully · 31-07-2016 02:07PM

Foo King Ell wrote: »

hmmm. Not what I heard...I'll get back to you

I'm with them via o2/Three option to add it onto my phone bill. Switched mobile operators rang to avoid the PAYG option told it's the only option. This was last week

darragh o meara · 02-08-2016 01:56AM

Is anyone else holding out hope that a last minute resolution will be found? To me it seems as though it's in E Flows best interests to keep its customers rather than loose them to another provider.

Personally I'm gonna hold out until it happens and then send back my tags if it does. Unfortunately the roads affected are the ones I got the tag for and I used them 3-4 times a week. If I have to carry change for a week or two it's not gonna be the end of the world..

BTW, does anyone know what the scenario is if you arrive up to the barrier and you have no cash on you at all? Will they let you through eventually?

marno21 · 02-08-2016 02:56AM

darragh o meara wrote: »

Is anyone else holding out hope that a last minute resolution will be found? To me it seems as though it's in E Flows best interests to keep its customers rather than loose them to another provider.

Personally I'm gonna hold out until it happens and then send back my tags if it does. Unfortunately the roads affected are the ones I got the tag for and I used them 3-4 times a week. If I have to carry change for a week or two it's not gonna be the end of the world..

BTW, does anyone know what the scenario is if you arrive up to the barrier and you have no cash on you at all? Will they let you through eventually?

Yes, I'm doing the same, there's another 3/4 weeks to settle this and there is lots of pressure on both sides to do so

I'm fairly sure they take your details and give you a notice saying to pay it the next time you come through or by post. That's what DirectRoute do at the Limerick Tunnel anyway.

Craigevans1985 · 02-08-2016 09:49AM

darragh o meara wrote: »

Is anyone else holding out hope that a last minute resolution will be found? To me it seems as though it's in E Flows best interests to keep its customers rather than loose them to another provider.

Personally I'm gonna hold out until it happens and then send back my tags if it does. Unfortunately the roads affected are the ones I got the tag for and I used them 3-4 times a week. If I have to carry change for a week or two it's not gonna be the end of the world..

BTW, does anyone know what the scenario is if you arrive up to the barrier and you have no cash on you at all? Will they let you through eventually?

Unless the oft spoken about pre-pay vs post pay debate is holding you back, I'd get switching.
Customer is king as they say, and eFlow don't seem to be treating you like they care about your business at all. They care about the profit and the m50 fines and getting the cash in. Was up in Belfast at the weekend, stopped in Apple Green, big eFlow sign at the door threatening court action for not paying three quid on the M50, that's some "customer first" approach. (Their logo says "You First" probably should say "Your money first"

)
Personally, this "money first" approach has done it for me,I wouldn't sit watching someone else make extra money whilst I'm left in limbo waiting for them to announce a better deal for themselves and then swallow them trying to make it feel like they did it for the consumer all along.
That's the kind of passive no-reactions that's got the country into this mess in the first...sorry, felt my dad arriving in the conversation.

_Brian · 02-08-2016 09:50AM

Going to switch today, couldn't be bothered with their messing about and last minute brinkmanship crap.

Damien360 · 02-08-2016 12:23PM

_Brian wrote: »

Going to switch today, couldn't be bothered with their messing about and last minute brinkmanship crap.

There is no notice period. Takes a few minutes and they finalise the bill. Just remember to return the tag or you get a 25 quid extra bill.

ba_barabus · 05-08-2016 01:33PM

A couple of quick questions as the thread seems to be derailed with talk about phone bills.

Which company will allow me to use the express lane at all toll roads in Ireland?

Can I setup an automated system which allows deductions from my account without me having to do anything with that provider on an ongoing basis?

Are Eflow trying to rectify this?

PoolBall · 05-08-2016 01:51PM

I will be switching to Easytrip if this Eflow dispute is not resolved. Does anybody know if the easytrip tag will fit in the eflow holder. Those eflow holders are a right pain to remove cleanly.

slinky2000 · 05-08-2016 02:04PM

PoolBall wrote: »

I will be switching to Easytrip if this Eflow dispute is not resolved. Does anybody know if the easytrip tag will fit in the eflow holder. Those eflow holders are a right pain to remove cleanly.

i removed mine in about 2 minutes. Just twist the unit and it'll pop off just leaving the glue. 2 minutes with an old credit card and it's gone.

guile4582 · 05-08-2016 02:12PM

what a sh1tty little country we live in , seriously

Damien360 · 05-08-2016 02:25PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

A couple of quick questions as the thread seems to be derailed with talk about phone bills.

Which company will allow me to use the express lane at all toll roads in Ireland?

Can I setup an automated system which allows deductions from my account without me having to do anything with that provider on an ongoing basis?

Are Eflow trying to rectify this?

Easytrip are the only provider for that now.

yes you can setup a automatic deduction of your nominated amount. It is a prepay service. Set it to the same as your monthly usage.

No eflow are not going to rectify this

ba_barabus · 05-08-2016 02:27PM

Damien360 wrote: »

Easytrip are the only provider for that now.

yes you can setup a automatic deduction of your nominated amount. It is a prepay service. Set it to the same as your monthly usage.

No eflow are not going to rectify this

Perfect, thanks you.

Alternative to Eflow as due to dispute cannot be used

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