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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #7052
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,780 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    The regret I have is that I didn't switch to Glanbia to partake in fixed price. I obviously won't change now but as soon as things start to rise I'll be in like Flynn.
    No other company has such a progressive scheme with guys who took some in every scheme breaking 30c every month. I accept they lost marginally on the early schemes. You can't beat the market but you can smooth out the bumps.
    I am in most of the fixed price schemes, I dont know who these lads are who got big allocations in these schemes but what I got in any of them is feck all, in some of the schemes its under 1000 litres per month, not worth talking about.


  • #7053
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Better to go to bank on day one than go for one of these schemes imo. Alot can happen in 10 years, look at what has happened in the last 2 years alone. If some one said in 2014 we would be getting 22cpl off the biggest milk processor in the country we wouldnt have believed it

    Actually worse 19.8


  • #7054
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    The regret I have is that I didn't switch to Glanbia to partake in fixed price. I obviously won't change now but as soon as things start to rise I'll be in like Flynn.
    No other company has such a progressive scheme with guys who took some in every scheme breaking 30c every month. I accept they lost marginally on the early schemes. You can't beat the market but you can smooth out the bumps.

    I wonder has that sales rep in Kenya joined boards .........


  • #7055
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Better to go to bank on day one than go for one of these schemes imo. Alot can happen in 10 years, look at what has happened in the last 2 years alone. If some one said in 2014 we would be getting 22cpl off the biggest milk processor in the country we wouldnt have believed it
    We were getting 22.3c/l when we got back into milk in 1987, 80p/gal.


  • #7056
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,780 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Actually worse 19.8
    True, you would want to think long and hard before signing up to 10 years of that sort of crap


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  • #7057
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,780 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    We were getting 22.3c/l when we got back into milk in 1987, 80p/gal.
    Still better off than us poor Glanbia suppliers :cool:


  • #7058
    OverRide
    Closed Accounts Posts: 665 ✭✭✭OverRide


    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    You may be correct that price won't rise past 30c but I don't believe the that the company is conspiring to do this to steal shares.

    I doubt it's in the minutes alright;) but it is the plan,of that I've no doubt

    They're already openly denying at new public meetings that they said at old public meetings that GiiL would pay a leading price


  • #7059
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭stanflt


    If milk price doesn't rise above 30cpl by next May I have decided to exit milk production- my grandfather won a quality milk award in 1952 and the cows have won various awards over the years but sentiment doesn't keep the kids and wife and lifestyle going- I may as well exit while I am young so I can focus on a different career path-


  • #7060
    Keepgrowing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Keepgrowing


    stanflt wrote: »
    If milk price doesn't rise above 30cpl by next May I have decided to exit milk production- my grandfather won a quality milk award in 1952 and the cows have won various awards over the years but sentiment doesn't keep the kids and wife and lifestyle going- I may as well exit while I am young so I can focus on a different career path-

    Nice and decisive, now that's a plan B. No moaning just decide, refreshing


  • #7061
    White Clover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭White Clover


    It's great to see a couple of previous posters back with new accounts!


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  • #7062
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    stanflt wrote: »
    If milk price doesn't rise above 30cpl by next May I have decided to exit milk production- my grandfather won a quality milk award in 1952 and the cows have won various awards over the years but sentiment doesn't keep the kids and wife and lifestyle going- I may as well exit while I am young so I can focus on a different career path-

    Simillar plan here only I want 35 cent ,if I don't get it by next Feb I'm selling the cows and going to try milk a few goats ......


  • #7063
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭stanflt


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Simillar plan here only I want 35 cent ,if I don't get it by next Feb I'm selling the cows and going to try milk a few goats ......

    I'm serious


  • #7064
    OverRide
    Closed Accounts Posts: 665 ✭✭✭OverRide


    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    Nice and decisive, now that's a plan B. No moaning just decide, refreshing

    There is moaning and rightly so in his post but then you know that
    I'd laugh at Your post only I've no time for the level of disrespect so far displayed for farmers told by GiiL that GiiL must make 30 million with no cutbacks and the farmers must take all the pain
    That's not a free market it state sanctioned aggressive monopoly in action

    That said,Stan is not the only one coming to the it's time to exit view,it's growing out there
    I know of one that's cancelled a 50%expansion and whose son is of Stan's mind and another who is thinking of stopping in his 30's
    In fact I can count 4 in my locality alone who will exit soon
    Not a good vibe for Belvue and one of their own making


  • #7065
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭stanflt


    OverRide wrote: »
    There is moaning and rightly so in his post but then you know that
    I'd laugh at Your post only I've no time for the level of disrespect so far displayed for farmers told by GiiL that GiiL must make 30 million with no cutbacks and the farmers must take all the pain
    That's not a free market it state sanctioned aggressive monopoly in action

    That said,Stan is not the only one coming to the it's time to exit view,it's growing out there
    I know of one that's cancelled a 50%expansion and whose son is of Stan's mind and another who is thinking of stopping in his 30's
    In fact I can count 4 in my locality alone who will exit soon
    Not a good vibe for Belvue and one of their own making



    Tbh Glanbia etc won't get worried about people leaving- the slack will be taking up by existing producers who are just going to work harder and harder for a tiny margin while the processors will continue to make full margin on all the milk they take in


  • #7066
    OverRide
    Closed Accounts Posts: 665 ✭✭✭OverRide


    stanflt wrote: »
    Tbh Glanbia etc won't get worried about people leaving- the slack will be taking up by existing producers who are just going to work harder and harder for a tiny margin while the processors will continue to make full margin on all the milk they take in
    That may be so but the non elected real controllers do need to worry about getting their next CoOp SGM motion passed


  • #7067
    Keepgrowing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Keepgrowing


    stanflt wrote: »
    Tbh Glanbia etc won't get worried about people leaving- the slack will be taking up by existing producers who are just going to work harder and harder for a tiny margin while the processors will continue to make full margin on all the milk they take in

    Not so sure. If this lasts past peak of next year I could be easy talk to what extra milk will be produced. This is a fair tough time on all producers and people aren't stupid enough to keep at it and only covering costs if at all.


  • #7068
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    OverRide wrote: »
    There is moaning and rightly so in his post but then you know that
    I'd laugh at Your post only I've no time for the level of disrespect so far displayed for farmers told by GiiL that GiiL must make 30 million with no cutbacks and the farmers must take all the pain
    That's not a free market it state sanctioned aggressive monopoly in action

    That said,Stan is not the only one coming to the it's time to exit view,it's growing out there
    I know of one that's cancelled a 50%expansion and whose son is of Stan's mind and another who is thinking of stopping in his 30's
    In fact I can count 4 in my locality alone who will exit soon
    Not a good vibe for Belvue and one of their own making

    It won't be next year that will tell the tale but going into 2018 when lads have stopped the heifer replacement train and culled out all the crap along with pulling back on capital investment that you could see a massive drop of in milk.....
    Have half the cows here incalf to good maternal beef bulls and will keep the heifer calves for suckler replacements and scale back the dairying side of things, will see how milk price is going in the back - end of 2017 and if it's still in the doldrums will simply calve down the cows again in 2018 to all beef rear all the calves and clear out the cows, get a job and farm part - time


  • #7069
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Chinese demand could signal green shoots for dairy prices http://bit.ly/29ZfayV

    https://twitter.com/rko2milk/status/757554432078786560?lang=en


  • #7070
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    It's a bad state of affairs when the brightest/best young farmers are eloping. Honestly believe 2 bad years we can take, but after that...


  • #7071
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,780 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    It's a bad state of affairs when the brightest/best young farmers are eloping. Honestly believe 2 bad years we can take, but after that...
    People are not going to stick around and be trodden into the ground. Every one should have a limit set as to what they can take. There is no sharing of the burden the farmer keeps taking the hit.


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  • #7072
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    It's a bad state of affairs when the brightest/best young farmers are eloping. Honestly believe 2 bad years we can take, but after that...
    Something to share, Kev?:pac:


  • #7073
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Chinese demand could signal green shoots for dairy prices http://bit.ly/29ZfayV

    https://twitter.com/rko2milk/status/757554432078786560?lang=en

    If it's to be believed every article in that link was positive. About time. This thread and the milk price one are getting to be very depressing reading.


  • #7074
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    freedominacup wrote: »
    If it's to be believed every article in that link was positive. About time. This thread and the milk price one are getting to be very depressing reading.
    Yeah, it's to be expected really with price on the floor but you can't make decisions on a milk price of 20c, just as you can't make them at a milk price of 40c. It always take time for the rise to take effect just like it takes time for the drop to take effect.

    Milk has dropped before and it has risen before and it will do both again.


  • #7075
    cute geoge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    imo the biggest kick in the hole are our biggest plc processors doing the maggot .Kerry and glanbia will then release press statements that they are supporting the price of milk ,this is really taking the piss .My guess it will take a substantional drop in supply before kerry or glanbia will pay a leading milk price .I have already started my own protest with kerry by boycotting their agri stores and any time i pass seeing no other farmer in co op yard gives me a smile but it will take a lot more then a small drop in sales for kerry or glanbia to see sense


  • #7076
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    We were getting 22.3c/l when we got back into milk in 1987, 80p/gal.

    And at that time it was graaaavy!!


  • #7077
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    stanflt wrote: »
    If milk price doesn't rise above 30cpl by next May I have decided to exit milk production- my grandfather won a quality milk award in 1952 and the cows have won various awards over the years but sentiment doesn't keep the kids and wife and lifestyle going- I may as well exit while I am young so I can focus on a different career path-

    Keep me in mind for a few Bulls...:)

    IF I was to take this post seriously...:)



    I'm OK until base hits 24cpl, if it hits <24cpl I'm out. My problem is that I'm locked up with IBR and the herd would have to be slaughtered...that would be a shame but it's down to economics.


  • #7078
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Keep me in mind for a few Bulls...:)

    IF I was to take this post seriously...:)



    I'm OK until base hits 24cpl, if it hits <24cpl I'm out. My problem is that I'm locked up with IBR and the herd would have to be slaughtered...that would be a shame but it's down to economics.

    Think you'll be milking for a while yet ,with a strong domestic French market I don't think your price will drop that low ,we might come to some arsangement for stans Bulls !!!!


  • #7079
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Cows in second cut aftergrass last night. Nice lift in the tank this morning. It was a suck it and see job. I wasn't sure how good the covers were but we didn't want to allow it get too strong before we went in or it might not all get grazed before quality dipped.

    We're considering not building covers and taking the surpluses that should develop over the next few weeks off as bales. Our girls won't deliver from late Sept without good supplementation so not much point in having big covers. Utilisation is usually poor and they end up getting a big proportion of their feed in a tmr anyway from them on. They delivered over 100kg of ms/hd in the last quarter of last year so there's a reasonable return for the inputs.


  • #7080
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Heifer calved with 4days suffering badly from a snakebite this morning. Must have got bitten in the udder as its falling off. From a good family also.
    Lovely.


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  • #7081
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Keep me in mind for a few Bulls...:)

    IF I was to take this post seriously...:)



    I'm OK until base hits 24cpl, if it hits <24cpl I'm out. My problem is that I'm locked up with IBR and the herd would have to be slaughtered...that would be a shame but it's down to economics.
    Seeing as IBR testing is coming down the road here, how does testing/sales of calves/restrictions/timeframe in the scheme work in France, Dawg?


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