Is the world spiraling out of control.

Cheerful Spring · 21-07-2016 04:55PM #1

Just the news today.

Counter-terror cops arrest 20 in raid of mosque and Islamic bookstore
ANTI-terror cops have swooped on two properties just outside Paris – and found explosives and weapons thought to be prepared for an attack – just days after events in Nice.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/531760/Paris-terror-ISIS-property-weapons-explosives

Brazilian police arrest 10 suspected of planning terrorist acts during Olympics
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/21/americas/brazil-olympics-terror-arrests/index.html

Isis ideology is spreading to other countries.

Florida police shoot black man lying down with arms in air
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/21/florida-police-shoot-black-man-lying-down-with-arms-in-air

Its less then a week and this stuff seems like a daily event now?

The_Valeyard · 21-07-2016 04:59PM

No its not. Just thanks to technology we are all more interconnected and we hear about horrors and atrocities a lot more.

me_irl · 21-07-2016 04:59PM

*looks out window*

No.

kupus · 21-07-2016 05:00PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Just the news today.

Counter-terror cops arrest 20 in raid of mosque and Islamic bookstore
ANTI-terror cops have swooped on two properties just outside Paris – and found explosives and weapons thought to be prepared for an attack – just days after events in Nice.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/531760/Paris-terror-ISIS-property-weapons-explosives

Brazilian police arrest 10 suspected of planning terrorist acts during Olympics
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/21/americas/brazil-olympics-terror-arrests/index.html

Isis ideology is spreading to other countries.

Florida police shoot black man lying down with arms in air
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/21/florida-police-shoot-black-man-lying-down-with-arms-in-air

Its less then a week and this stuff seems like a daily event now?

thats the whole point...
its to destabilize the western world.
more is coming.
lefties get your excuses ready.
youre going to need a lot of them by the years end.

FortySeven · 21-07-2016 05:00PM

Yes. World needs a war sadly.

Cheerful Spring · 21-07-2016 05:02PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

No its not. Just thanks to technology we are all more interconnected and we hear about horrors and atrocities a lot more.

We have been connected to the internet since the late 80s and late 90s it got worse if anything.

Think about all the stuff thats has just happened in last two weeks, its nuts.

The_Valeyard · 21-07-2016 05:06PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

We have been connected to the internet since the late 80s and late 90s it got worse if anything.

Think about all the stuff thats has just happened in last two weeks, its nuts.

This has always been happening. Just thanks to the interweb we talk and see about it a lot more.

You forgetting the massive wars and terrors in the 80s,90s, the hijackings, slaughters, famines, genocides, etc. Its just more published today. Groups like CNN were only making there name in the late 80s. Compare that to the Vietnam war which became really the first 'TV war' with Walter Kronkite.

Its dead Jim · 21-07-2016 05:09PM

Despite what people think, things arent getting worse. Any news spreads a lot quicker and the current flavour of the month terrorist group isn't as local as the others.

Maximus Alexander · 21-07-2016 05:12PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

We have been connected to the internet since the late 80s and late 90s it got worse if anything.

Think about all the stuff thats has just happened in last two weeks, its nuts.

Yeah this is all new, the world used to be a calm an peaceful place.

Snapshot from 1999

NATO launches air strikes on Serbia to end attacks against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo (March 24)
Two Colo. students go on shooting spree in Columbine High School, killing 15, including themselves (April 20).
NATO bombs mistakenly hit Chinese embassy in Belgrade (May 7)
White supremacist goes on shooting spree in Midwest, killing three including self and wounding eight (July 2–5)
Day-trader kills 9 and wounds 13 in two Atlanta brokerage offices before committing suicide (July 29)
Islamic militants declare independence for Dagestan and announce holy war against Russia (Aug. 10)
White supremacist opens fire at Jewish community center in LA, wounding five and killing one as he flees (Aug. 10)
Larry Gene Ashbrook goes on rampage in Tex. church, killing seven and himself (Sept. 15)
Russia sends ground troops to Chechnya as conflict with Islamic militants intensifies (Oct. 1)
World Trade Organization conference disrupted by violent protests in Seattle (Nov. 29 et seq.)
Muslim terrorists hijack Indian Airlines jet with 189 on board (Dec. 24)

Worth noting there were in excess of a billion fewer people around to do all this shite back then too.

pragmatic1 · 21-07-2016 05:13PM

No. This is the safest time in human history. Even in the 90s we had wars in Yugoslavia, the first Iraq war and genocide going on in Rawanda. On your own doorstep we had paramilitaries murdering people in N.Ireland every day.

21-07-2016 05:18PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

This has always been happening. Just thanks to the interweb we talk and see about it a lot more.

That's an often-quoted cognitive bias in relation to child abductions and air accidents, but the statistics don't support its application to terrorism

Since the beginning of the 21st century, there has been over a nine-fold increase in the number of deaths from terrorism, rising from 3,329 in 2000 to 32,685 in 2014. (see link below)

The threat posed by terrorism has also changed in its character, particularly in relation to suicide bombing, which has become more widespread, as well as the globalised nature of terrorism (cross-border flows of people and international networks). In the same vein, we are also seeing transnational 'sectoral' ideologies, such as violent extremists uniting across jurisdictions, and even across continents.

This report outlines the increased intensity, scale and spread of global terrorism

http://economicsandpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Global-Terrorism-Index-2015.pdf

Politically, I think the western world is more polarised than it has been for many years, too. I don't believe this is all in our imagination.

Cheerful Spring · 21-07-2016 05:20PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

This has always been happening. Just thanks to the interweb we talk and see about it a lot more.

You forgetting the massive wars and terrors in the 80s,90s, the hijackings, slaughters, famines, genocides, etc. Its just more published today. Groups like CNN were only making there name in the late 80s. Compare that to the Vietnam war which became really the first 'TV war' with Walter Kronkite.

You not wrong, but i do think we seeing lot more instability in our neck of the woods. Black men ambushing American cops is new and we seeing more terrorists attacks in Europe. Last then two weeks we have already seen three terrorists attacks in Europe and two other attacks that where planned where stopped. Hopefully all this just a rare occurrence and it be back to normal soon.

FalconGirl · 21-07-2016 05:22PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

No its not. Just thanks to technology we are all more interconnected and we hear about horrors and atrocities a lot more.

Definitely is to some degree. There is more frequency now in attacks than there was 2 years ago when we also had technology.

daveharnett · 21-07-2016 05:24PM

First of all, the world was never "under control".

We no longer die by the millions from famine, typhoid, cholera or war. We haven't even had a six-figure genocide in the last decade. If you're alive today, there's an 85% chance you're literate, up from 55% in 1980. This is the best time in human history to be alive.

If your question is more local in scope, I'll remind you that the main street of an Irish town was blown up by terrorists 18 years ago. While it's far from settled, the landscape looks considerably better today.

As we eliminate the really big dangers, we don't get less fearful, we just fixate on smaller dangers. If anything, the world is spiraling into control.

RDM_83 again · 21-07-2016 05:27PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That's an often-quoted cognitive bias in relation to child abductions and air accidents, but the statistics don't support its application to terrorism

Since the beginning of the 21st century, there has been over a nine-fold increase in the number of deaths from terrorism, rising from 3,329 in 2000 to 32,685 in 2014. (see link below)

The threat posed by terrorism has also changed in its character, particularly in relation to suicide bombing, which has become more widespread, as well as the globalised nature of terrorism (cross-border flows of people and international networks). In the same vein, we are also seeing transnational 'sectoral' ideologies, such as violent extremists uniting across jurisdictions, and even across continents.

This report outlines the increased intensity, scale and spread of global terrorism

http://economicsandpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Global-Terrorism-Index-2015.pdf

Politically, I think the western world is more polarised than it has been for many years, too. I don't believe this is all in our imagination.

Obviously I didn't live through it but isn't it likely that today is similar to the 1970's, economic stagnation, polarizing society, the "alternatives" have lost their halo.

Cheerful Spring · 21-07-2016 05:33PM

daveharnett wrote: »

First of all, the world was never "under control".

We no longer die by the millions from famine, typhoid, cholera or war. We haven't even had a six-figure genocide in the last decade. If you're alive today, there's an 85% chance you're literate, up from 55% in 1980. This is the best time in human history to be alive.

As we eliminate the really big dangers, we don't get less fearful, we just fixate on smaller dangers. If anything, the world is spiraling into control.

Not really i think the world is lot more dangerous today then it has been since the cold war

Russia and United States, they have a toxic relationship right now. Nato is surrounding the Russian border with troops. We have not seen relations this bad since the cold war.

Then you have Isis attacking the West and killing civilians inside France and elsewhere

Then you have China threatening war with the United States because of the china south seas.

Black men ambushing cops two weeks in a row.

Trump presidency is he the right person for the job?

If this is a stable world to some of you i want to go elsewhere.

Dr Crayfish · 21-07-2016 05:35PM

It's a finite planet and were consuming and multiplying more and more, it's only heading in one direction

ScumLord · 21-07-2016 05:36PM

If you compare Europe today to Europe a thousand years ago things are infinitely better. Back then the Vikings were terrorising Europe and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do about it.

Junkyard Tom · 21-07-2016 05:41PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Since the beginning of the 21st century, there has been over a nine-fold increase in the number of deaths from terrorism, rising from 3,329 in 2000 to 32,685 in 2014. (see link below)

The term 'terrorism' is problematic. The numbers used in that study have been taken from the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START) which has received funding from the US Department of Homeland Security.

Would it include the terrorism 'we' engage in and fund?

Would it consider the terrorism that is a consequence of blow-back?

FortySeven · 21-07-2016 05:43PM

ScumLord wrote: »

If you compare Europe today to Europe a thousand years ago things are infinitely better. Back then the Vikings were terrorising Europe and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do about it.

Isis are doing similar and there is nothing we can do about it. Right now there are thousands of men across Europe planning attacks.

Gbear · 21-07-2016 05:43PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That's an often-quoted cognitive bias in relation to child abductions and air accidents, but the statistics don't support its application to terrorism

Since the beginning of the 21st century, there has been over a nine-fold increase in the number of deaths from terrorism, rising from 3,329 in 2000 to 32,685 in 2014. (see link below)

The threat posed by terrorism has also changed in its character, particularly in relation to suicide bombing, which has become more widespread, as well as the globalised nature of terrorism (cross-border flows of people and international networks). In the same vein, we are also seeing transnational 'sectoral' ideologies, such as violent extremists uniting across jurisdictions, and even across continents.

This report outlines the increased intensity, scale and spread of global terrorism

http://economicsandpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Global-Terrorism-Index-2015.pdf

Politically, I think the western world is more polarised than it has been for many years, too. I don't believe this is all in our imagination.

On the other hand, it's still a tiny proportion of accidental or violent deaths, and all the other ones are going down, as far as I know.

We could probably just ignore terrorism.
For the same cost that's spent fighting terrorism, you'd probably get better health yields by throwing money at combating heart disease, diabetes, other weight-related diseases and cancer.

People's fear means that they cannot possibly ignore it though. Even if they intellectually know that they're probably safe, they're going to be warier of public gatherings, transport, muslims and anything else that reminds them of the attacks.

ScumLord · 21-07-2016 05:48PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Isis are doing similar and there is nothing we can do about it. Right now there are thousands of men across Europe planning attacks.

They're nowhere near as effective or dangerous as the Vikings where. Pretty much all of northern Europe was overrun by vikings. I don't think anyone actually mounted an effective retaliatory strike at the Viking homelands.

ISIS are picking away at the fringes of society, they make pathetic attacks that do nothing more than sicken the general public and injure a few innocent people. They're doing more harm to their own people than they are to us in the west. Vikings didn't hide out in the shadows, if you saw a viking you knew you where ****ed, they had no ideals to spread, all they wanted was to take all your stuff and turn you into a slave.

21-07-2016 05:49PM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

No. This is the safest time in human history. Even in the 90s we had wars in Yugoslavia, the first Iraq war and genocide going on in Rawanda. On your own doorstep we had paramilitaries murdering people in N.Ireland every day.

What about when it was just your man Adam chilling there in that garden? That sounded pretty sweet.

Cheerful Spring · 21-07-2016 05:49PM

http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/merrylands-police-station-terror-attack-man-drives-car-filled-with-gas-cylinders-into-underground-car-park/ar-BBuBfPk?li=BBr5KbJ&ocid=mailsignout

You can add this to list from today, a attempted terrorist attack.

lawlolawl · 21-07-2016 05:56PM

ScumLord wrote: »

They're nowhere near as effective or dangerous as the Vikings where. Pretty much all of northern Europe was overrun by vikings. I don't think anyone actually mounted an effective retaliatory strike at the Viking homelands.

ISIS are picking away at the fringes of society, they make pathetic attacks that do nothing more than sicken the general public and injure a few innocent people. They're doing more harm to their own people than they are to us in the west. Vikings didn't hide out in the shadows, if you saw a viking you knew you where ****ed, they had no ideals to spread, all they wanted was to take all your stuff and turn you into a slave.

So we basically need to resurrect some Vikings to fight ISIS is what you are saying?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 21-07-2016 06:01PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You not wrong, but i do think we seeing lot more instability in our neck of the woods. Black men ambushing American cops is new and we seeing more terrorists attacks in Europe. Last then two weeks we have already seen three terrorists attacks in Europe and two other attacks that where planned where stopped. Hopefully all this just a rare occurrence and it be back to normal soon.

I think you are probably at a stage in your life when you are more conscious of such things. Believe me, in my 70+ years, I've seen phases like this regularly.

24 hour news and speedy communications bring it all to us so much quicker and in greater detail than before. Vreater press freedom combined with 'citizen' reporting on social media publicises more of it too.

Nothing new in the episodes themselves though.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 21-07-2016 06:07PM

Omackeral wrote: »

What about when it was just your man Adam chilling there in that garden? That sounded pretty sweet.

Lasted no length though only days until mayhem, evil tempter angry overseer, exile followed by hardship, fratricide that killed 20% of the world's population...

ScumLord · 21-07-2016 06:07PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

So we basically need to resurrect some Vikings to fight ISIS is what you are saying?

Yeah, I wouldn't send the modern Dutch, Swedes, Fins, or Norwegians, they've gone soft.

LDN_Irish · 21-07-2016 06:08PM

I'm not even joking, I'm infinitely more worried about the creaking in my suspension than I am about black people shooting police in America (not unprecedented btw. Google Black Panthers) or whether ISIS are as big a threat as the Vikings were. (They're not. They can't even adequately secure their territory in 2 war torn **** holes let alone rampage through Europe.)

Renegade Mechanic · 21-07-2016 06:11PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Yes. World needs a war sadly.

A billion extra people in little over the last decade, probably a billion and a half in the next.

As it stands, after death around 9 million join our ranks every month.

But it's ok, we can save the environment by taxing about 2 million of them in the hopes they use a little less......

Sad reality is, there are going to be some sad answers to some sad questions very soon.
"Western" way of life is completely unsustainable - government funded green tax breaks are never going to change that. We're going to lose quite a few privileges in favour of sustainability.
Veggies are going to have to re-tip the scales on meat consumption and that dissapoints me..
Equally unsustainable is eastern and southern population growth.

People say the world is good for 10 billion people. They're wrong. It's good for 10 billion mud-hut dwellers.

It's barely good for two billion electricity intensive, thrice-daily+ car driving, Netflix binge watching, obesity courting, convenience store using, monthly clothes buying, nutrient-intensive-land-production people.

http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/3_times_sustainable

Renegade Mechanic · 21-07-2016 06:13PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

I'm not even joking, I'm infinitely more worried about the creaking in my suspension than I am about black people shooting police in America (not unprecedented btw. Google Black Panthers) or whether ISIS are as big a threat as the Vikings were. (They're not. They can't even adequately secure their territory in 2 war torn **** holes let alone rampage through Europe.)

I would be too. You lose a steering joint or something along those lines and you'll join them.

Is the world spiraling out of control.

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