Up to 85 civilians killed by mistake

darkpagandeath · 20-07-2016 06:20PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

If you tryna be smart it aint working. You're not capable of critical thinking.

That is a stock image.

Does the article claim that it is from Manbij?

Why actually write the news report when you can stick an emotive picture in it and make it up.

MaroonAndGreen · 20-07-2016 06:27PM

They take 80 French, then the French need to take 800 of them. Only way this is going to be stopped, horrific as it is.

karma_ · 20-07-2016 06:27PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Also, being liberal doesn't mean one abandons one's own critical faculties. You have people here who are beside themselves when it's pointed-out that this airstrike is different in character to an act of terrorism like Nice.

Of course it doesn;t, where did I make the claim that it had and I agree, we can discuss ad nauseum about context and the how's or whys but what is the fundamental difference in the result? 85 innocent people killed in Nice and 85 killed in Syria, one being a mistake will be of scant consolation to the dead or their families.

At least in Nice the attacker was killed in teh act but the guy who dropped the bomb nor the guy who ordered it will face anything more than a potential loss of rank.

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-07-2016 06:27PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

They take 80 French, then the French need to take 800 of them. Only way this is going to be stopped, horrific as it is.

:rolleyes:

MaroonAndGreen · 20-07-2016 06:29PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

What's your alternative?

unseenfootage · 20-07-2016 06:29PM

Another source http://en.alalam.ir/news/1840872 with a video and images of dead babies/children in a mass grave.
Google reverse image checks okay .
Multiple activists are reporting this as well.

unseenfootage · 20-07-2016 06:35PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

They take 80 French, then the French need to take 800 of them. Only way this is going to be stopped, horrific as it is.

speechless.

Virgil° · 20-07-2016 06:37PM

It is obviously awful that 85 innocent civilians died. Somebody in charge made a terrible/horrendous mistake. Somebody in charge should be but probably will not be held accountable and that is heinous if it comes to pass.

However to conflate this disaster with recent acts of terrorism is completely dishonest point scoring. Walking into a concert with kalashnikovs, driving a lorry into crowds of people, suicide bombing an airport terminal, where the intent is to maim and murder innocents ultimately to inspire fear, hatred and divide peoples simply isn't comparible to this in any way.

This is very simple:
I hope everyone here understands the difference between manslaughter and premeditated murder? I should also hope everyone understands why we punish one more harshly than the other? Further to this I hope people understand that pointing this obvious fact out is not the same as condoning or encouraging manslaughter?

karma_ · 20-07-2016 06:39PM

Virgil° wrote: »

This is very simple:
I hope everyone here understands the difference between manslaughter and premeditated murder? I should also hope everyone understands why we punish one more harshly than the other? Further to this I hope people understand that pointing this obvious fact out is not the same as condoning or encouraging manslaughter?

Aye, because bombs aren't designed to kill people see.

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-07-2016 06:41PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

What's your alternative?

Your answer to stopping the deaths of innocent civilians is

They kill 80 of ours

We kill 10x as many of theirs?

Seriously? To stop the deaths of innocent men women and children you want to kIll 10x as many innocent men women and children?

Fcuking keyboard warriors like you make me laugh.

Gatling · 20-07-2016 06:42PM

karma_ wrote: »

Fúcking hell, you are some kind of special hypocrite. How many posts have you on here criticizing Russian airstrikes.....

54 hospitals
40 + schools
8000 + civilians killed

All verified to be done by Russian planes

But let's have circle for the outraged that there not sure what there outraged about yet

suicide_circus · 20-07-2016 06:43PM

^^^^ keyboard flag burners like yourself out there saving lives everyday.

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-07-2016 06:45PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

^^^^ keyboard flag burners like yourself out there saving lives everyday.

Never burned a flag in my life kiddo though I did burn a small hole in my Gucci t-shirt at the weekend #gutted

Virgil° · 20-07-2016 06:45PM

karma_ wrote: »

Aye, because bombs aren't designed to kill people see.

You don't think active ISIS members should be killed?

suicide_circus · 20-07-2016 06:46PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Never burned a flag in my life kiddo though I did burn a small hole in my Gucci t-shirt at the weekend #gutted

Hot rocks was it, stoneman?

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-07-2016 06:50PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Hot rocks was it, stoneman?

:rolleyes:

unseenfootage · 20-07-2016 06:57PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Your answer to stopping the deaths of innocent civilians is

They kill 80 of ours

We kill 10x as many of theirs?

Seriously? To stop the deaths of innocent men women and children you want to kIll 10x as many innocent men women and children?

Fcuking keyboard warriors like you make me laugh.

He asked for an alternative.
As if what he offered was a solution.

darkpagandeath · 20-07-2016 06:58PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Another source http://en.alalam.ir/news/1840872 with a video and images of dead babies/children in a mass grave.
Google reverse image checks okay .
Multiple activists are reporting this as well.

Iran news..... Sure why not just link RT ?

Gatling · 20-07-2016 06:59PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

He asked for an alternative.
As if what he offered was a solution.

Seems your in the know ,

Among the dead were about 44 children, 17 women and eight prisoners, the Observatory said.

Prisoners ???
As in a prison or hostages

unseenfootage · 20-07-2016 07:02PM

Virgil° wrote: »

It is obviously awful that 85 innocent civilians died. Somebody in charge made a terrible/horrendous mistake. Somebody in charge should be but probably will not be held accountable and that is heinous if it comes to pass.

However to conflate this disaster with recent acts of terrorism is completely dishonest point scoring. Walking into a concert with kalashnikovs, driving a lorry into crowds of people, suicide bombing an airport terminal, where the intent is to maim and murder innocents ultimately to inspire fear, hatred and divide peoples simply isn't comparible to this in any way.

This is very simple:
I hope everyone here understands the difference between manslaughter and premeditated murder? I should also hope everyone understands why we punish one more harshly than the other? Further to this I hope people understand that pointing this obvious fact out is not the same as condoning or encouraging manslaughter?

France was also involved in the coalition strikes.
A few days after Nice?
US coalition have been bombing hospitals and universities too.
Saudi's record in Yemen is even worse.
Its not only Russia/Assad that air bomb civilians.

darkpagandeath · 20-07-2016 07:03PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

France was also involved in the coalition strikes.
A few days after Nice?
US coalition have been bombing hospitals and universities too.
Saudi's record in Yemen is even worse.
Its not only Russia/Assad that air bomb civilians.

but if the USA does it it's worse ?

unseenfootage · 20-07-2016 07:04PM

Gatling wrote: »

Seems your in the know ,

Among the dead were about 44 children, 17 women and eight prisoners, the Observatory said.

Prisoners ???
As in a prison or hostages

Don't ask me mate.
Twitter?

Gatling · 20-07-2016 07:05PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Don't ask me mate.
Twitter?

Sounds like there's more to these claims than people are making out,

unseenfootage · 20-07-2016 07:05PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

but if the USA does it it's worse ?

Says who?

Virgil° · 20-07-2016 07:09PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

France was also involved in the coalition strikes.
A few days after Nice?
US coalition have been bombing hospitals and universities too.
Saudi's record in Yemen is even worse.
Its not only Russia/Assad that air bomb civilians.

You've obviously got inside sources and independently verifiable information and documentation to show that the American government is deliberately murdering and bombing innocent civilians.

I can't wait to read them.

BoJack Horseman · 20-07-2016 07:09PM

Virgil° wrote: »

Somebody in charge should be but probably will not be held accountable and that is heinous if it comes to pass

That will probably happen, it's just by the time it does the world has moved on.

If you remember that MSF hospital attack earlier in the year, the crew of the AC-130 involved are all suspended & awaiting further disciplinary actions (probably a court marshal for the senior officers).

In time, there may or may not be a similar situation here... however it will get a couple of column inches as it's yesterdays news.

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-07-2016 07:09PM

Virgil° wrote: »

You've obviously got inside sources and independently verifiable information and documentation to show that the American government is deliberately targeting innocent civilians.

I can't wait to read them.

Na they don't do that, just make mistakes.

Lots and lots and lots of mistakes

My name is URL · 20-07-2016 07:13PM

Meanwhile, US backed and armed rebels 'accidentally' behead boy.

http://us.cnn.com/2016/07/20/middleeast/boy-beheaded-in-syria/index.html

Can't see any mention whatsoever on that site about the 100+ killed directly by the US today. Funny old world, eh?

Gatling · 20-07-2016 07:14PM

Seems Russian media are blaming the French for the deaths .

unseenfootage · 20-07-2016 07:14PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Na they don't do that, just make mistakes.

Lots and lots and lots of mistakes

Not sure if bombing Mosul university was a mistake.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/13/british-hostage-john-cantlie-appears-in-new-isis-propaganda-video

Up to 85 civilians killed by mistake

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