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Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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  • #902
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    This is not about any opinion ..... this is about a statement of grievous wrongdoing being attributed to one of very few people.
    That is completely different to stating that there is a 'cover-up' or even a 'political cover-up'. That you apparently see no distinction does you no favours.

    there was no one person named on the placard or else i would agree with you


  • #903
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    there was no one person named on the placard or else i would agree with you

    No one claimed one person was named on the placard. Did you somehow miss this?
    this is about a statement of grievous wrongdoing being attributed to one of very few people.


  • #904
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    JohnCash0260 wrote: »
    Can you tell us why the Gardai arrested a man that there was no evidence whatsoever against in relation to this case, I.e. Brian McMahon, and won't at the same time arrest the main suspect that Mary's sister Ann and others know killed her and who have given this information to the Gardai?
    No I cannot.
    Does that mean this is correct or factual?
    that the cops and politicians cover it up


  • #905
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I think it's fair to say that anybody (on here) who wants to protect the suspect are either trolling or are just very immature and naive as to how the establishment work.


  • #906
    evancostello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭evancostello


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think it's fair to say that anybody (on here) who wants to protect the suspect are either trolling or are just very immature and naive as to how the establishment work.

    How does the establishment work, in your world?


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  • #907
    evancostello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭evancostello


    JohnCash0260 wrote: »
    Can you tell us why the Gardai arrested a man that there was no evidence whatsoever against in relation to this case, I.e. Brian McMahon, and won't at the same time arrest the main suspect that Mary's sister Ann and others know killed her and who have given this information to the Gardai?

    Maybe they have no evidence. This, I understand is usally required.


  • #908
    evancostello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭evancostello


    UsedToWait wrote: »
    As your first post on this thread was in relation to the (now discredited) story in the local paper, it seems reasonable to assume you are from the locality.

    Given your antipathy to the campaign for justice for Mary, it seems reasonable to ask:

    Do you have any connection to the protagonists in this case?

    That is not reasonable to ask and you know that. Stop trying to marginalise criticism and answer the real question. If justice is being sought for Mary , why? I may be obtuse , but i sure would like to know , like the Guildford four, who is guilty of this injustice.

    to bed


  • #909
    Giacomo McGubbin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Giacomo McGubbin


    evancostello wrote: »
    Maybe they have no evidence. This, I understand is usally required.

    They've been given evidence by Mary's sister. And you don't need evidence to arrest someone for proper questioning, only suspicion is required.


  • #910
    evancostello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭evancostello


    UsedToWait wrote: »
    Indeed - there certainly was an injustice, in that the poor girl was never given a proper burial, and that nobody served time for what happened to her.

    It has been suggested that there has been a cover up - that the main suspect in the case has never been questioned under caution is indisputable, the only possible reasons for that are:
    a) Garda incompetence
    b) something more sinister

    You didn't answer the question, though.

    You know that the main suspect was questioned, dont you. ? I believe many times and all questioning is under caution in this country. He was not arrested, is that what you mean? So if he was never arrested but questioned plenty, are you possible conclusions the same?


  • #911
    evancostello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭evancostello


    Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »
    They've been given evidence by Mary's sister. And you don't need evidence to arrest someone for proper questioning, only suspicion is required.

    maybe I dont know. I always thought you had to have evidence before you can arrest anybody, especially for murder.


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  • #912
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    evancostello wrote: »
    You know that the main suspect was questioned, dont you. ? I believe many times and all questioning is under caution in this country. He was not arrested, is that what you mean? So if he was never arrested but questioned plenty, are you possible conclusions the same?

    Are you making this up?

    Show me where the gardai have officially said they've questioned the "suspect".

    I don't believe they've ever stated that they ever had one, much less that they've questioned him, "many times" as you're now claiming.

    The last time I checked they were still handing out age progressed portraits of Mary.


  • #913
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    evancostello wrote: »
    should have kept the crazies away.They are entitled to free expression but with that come responsibility to do so in a fair way. Thats is not remotely fair. You cannot ask for justice for Mary by visiting injustice on someone els. Shame on you
    evancostello wrote: »
    free sxtressing Oran . Play the ball not the man
    evancostello wrote: »
    There you are , I just knew I could keep prodding and the bully would appear couldn't contain yourself. I have said that I just felt the Doc was off. I dont trust what I as presented with. I am in camp one way or the other, but I do hate bullies.

    What do you mean constructive? Oran? If it does just fall in line with your view. I am not abusing you but I am contesting your view , I would hope in a civilised way.
    evancostello wrote: »
    It says something about you that you actually look for pattens in posts. If I'm negative in your view, tough. Get over it and respond to the post. I am critical of the documentary, I have said that day 1. Its deceptive. But you dont and there you are thats healthy debate. I could say there are patterns to all posts if I had the time or inclination to read them from that perspective.

    User/Account permabanned.


  • #914
    JohnCash0260
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭JohnCash0260


    evancostello wrote: »
    maybe I dont know. I always thought you had to have evidence before you can arrest anybody, especially for murder.

    Then why did they arrest an innocent man that had absolutely nothing unto do with this case and try to get a confession out of him?


  • #915
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    JohnCash0260 wrote: »
    Then why did they arrest an innocent man that had absolutely nothing unto do with this case and try to get a confession out of him?

    He won't be answering you, he's gone, thank God (and Overheal)


  • #916
    JohnCash0260
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭JohnCash0260


    stuar wrote: »
    He won't be answering you, he's gone, thank God (and Overheal)

    Good riddance


  • #917
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,769 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    The mother of missing Mary Boyle has slammed the ‘Justice for Mary’ campaign march, which is scheduled to be held this weekend.
    Donegal woman Anne Boyle lost her daughter in 1977 when little Mary walked across a field in Cashelard, near Ballyshannon, never to be seen again.

    Anne told the Donegal Democrat that she didn’t support the ‘Justice for Mary campaign march organised by Ballyshannon woman Naomi Brady .

    When asked by the paper to explain why Anne said:

    “It has nothing to do with the people most affected – Mary’s family.”
    https://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/justice-for-mary-campaign-has-nothing-to-do-with-family-anne-boyle

    Amazing how a mother of a missing child doesnt want to seek justice, the mind truly boggles


  • #918
    Burtman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 ✭Burtman


    JohnCash0260 wrote: »
    Then why did they arrest an innocent man that had absolutely nothing unto do with this case and try to get a confession out of him?

    This fact is one of the things that really worries me in the mary boyle case, AGS were actively trying to stitch up a patsy in this case very recently, to me thats worrying as it shows there an active and ongoing effort to keep this case and the can of worms closed...


  • #919
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    Burtman wrote: »
    This fact is one of the things that really worries me in the mary boyle case, AGS were actively trying to stitch up a patsy in this case very recently, to me thats worrying as it shows there an active and ongoing effort to keep this case and the can of worms closed...

    Two officers turning up at the door of her sister's home in a remote part of Co. Offaly, stating they 'just happened to be in the area', was seen as very intimidating by Ann Doherty.
    Understandably so.


  • #920
    Burtman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 ✭Burtman


    brooke 2 wrote: »
    Two officers turning up at the door of her sister's home in a remote part of Co. Offaly, stating they 'just happened to be in the area', was seen as very intimidating by Ann Doherty.
    Understandably so.

    Yeah, the combination of those facts doesnt auger well for any kind of transparency in any investigation imo...this cold case team is gonna be the same as operation grange imo, they sent a team of scotland yard investigators to portugal to investigate the madeleine mc cann case and they looked at everythying but ignored the obvious..same things gonna happen here I fear..


  • #921
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Burtman wrote: »
    Yeah, the combination of those facts doesnt auger well for any kind of transparency in any investigation imo...this cold case team is gonna be the same as operation grange imo, they sent a team of scotland yard investigators to portugal to investigate the madeleine mc cann case and they looked at everythying but ignored the obvious..same things gonna happen here I fear..

    The force has as much as denied anything about anything new happening in the way it's being investigated, stressing that the case has been under review since 2011.

    "This evening gardaí dismissed reports that a new investigation is underway, saying the case has never been closed."


    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/garda-confirm-mary-boyle-cold-case-review-34878309.html


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  • #922
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    https://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/justice-for-mary-campaign-has-nothing-to-do-with-family-anne-boyle

    Amazing how a mother of a missing child doesnt want to seek justice, the mind truly boggles

    I can't understand this.

    2016: “It has nothing to do with the people most affected – Mary’s family.”


    2007: After being asked if the truth would destroy the family:
    "But I wouldn't like to think it would destroy our family. I wouldn't like it to end that way."

    A priority that it seems the various 40 year investigation teams agree with.

    Hoping it will go away.

    In a different context it might be understandable, but not over a child.


  • #923
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    I haven't been here in a few day's, fair play to all that those involved in the march, good stuff.

    The fella that signed up to take this down has been removed, which is right, fair play Overheal, I don't really have much input into this as I'm a spectator like most, but I'm very happy it's getting the publicity it deserves, 1 more view is one more person that knows about this case.

    Oranbhoy your an ugly oul fecker but I saw the pic's before I knew who you were, but I suspected you were who you are, just from looking, your brother was a throw off but even an uglier fecker....haha....joke


    Fair play lads and don't let anybody or anything take you's down or point yiz in the the wrong direction, people will and have tried, fcuk them, the truth is always stronger than a lie, never back down.

    The truth shall prevail, if only through people power because I don't have much faith in the gardai or the cold case team, they had their chances all these years, but unfortunately for the truth, they fcuked up, how can anybody seeking truth ever rely on liar's?,

    I've loads to say but saying nothing.


    If this latest push get's nowhere, then people should push.


  • #924
    jack923
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭jack923


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    https://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/justice-for-mary-campaign-has-nothing-to-do-with-family-anne-boyle

    Amazing how a mother of a missing child doesnt want to seek justice, the mind truly boggles

    Maybe she had something to do with it


  • #925
    DonegalTech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 ✭DonegalTech


    39 years ago, A little girl dissapeared, and was most likely murdered. And for 39 years the one person deemed by many who know the full detail's of the case to be the main suspect, has never been arrested and questioned as a suspect.
    And that is something that nobody can hide, a truth that the record will always show.

    At the very least this suspect should be arrested and questioned as a suspect, or else an explanation as to why they refuse to question the suspect should be offered to those leading the fight for justice for Mary Boyle. I believe strong reasons exist as to why this suspect should be questioned, and it is frankly upsetting that Gardai still feel reluctant to question the person.

    I was born in the early 1980's, and I am very proud to be a Donegal man and an Irish man. I don't believe that any person should be loyal to any political party, especially when they all lack any kind of core principles to define themselves. Sadly a huge amount of older people still vote for the party their parents voted for, and this creates a rock solid foundation for established Parties, regardless of how they actually perform in office, as they figure "A few potholes filled around our strongholds, and we keep the party faithful onside". This has also created a level of arrogance within these parties, an arrogance which makes them feel they are above the law and very people they serve.


  • #926
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    DonegalTech wrote:
    At the very least this suspect should be arrested and questioned as a suspect, or else an explanation as to why they refuse to question the suspect should be offered to those leading the fight for justice for Mary Boyle. I believe strong reasons exist as to why this suspect should be questioned, and it is frankly upsetting that Gardai still feel reluctant to question the person.
    There is no way that any such comment or explanation can be forthcoming from the Gardai or anyone else involved in an open investigation.


  • #927
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    jack923 wrote: »
    Maybe she had something to do with it

    I don't think she was initially involved but after time she's saving her skin.


  • #928
    DonegalTech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 ✭DonegalTech


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    DonegalTech wrote:
    At the very least this suspect should be arrested and questioned as a suspect, or else an explanation as to why they refuse to question the suspect should be offered to those leading the fight for justice for Mary Boyle. I believe strong reasons exist as to why this suspect should be questioned, and it is frankly upsetting that Gardai still feel reluctant to question the person.
    There is no way that any such comment or explanation can be forthcoming from the Gardai or anyone else involved in an open investigation.

    Surely after 39 years they might feel an explanation is necessary, like it seems like they are waiting on the main players to pass on.


  • #929
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    There is no way that any such comment or explanation can be forthcoming from the Gardai or anyone else involved in an open investigation.

    Johnboy1951 do you have any feeling's or inclination's about this case, why not question a suspect, or anybody hiding him, if that is the case, if not ask them simple questions like:

    "are you a murderer?", (to suspect)

    "are you a politician that protected a person that some people thought was a murderer?" (to politician)

    Garda haven't done this (to the best of my knowledge)


  • #930
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    There is no way that any such comment or explanation can be forthcoming from the Gardai or anyone else involved in an open investigation.

    There is no way the facts as they are should remain as they are.

    The clear reluctance to arrest and interrogate, possibly originating from some misplaced loyalty and perpetuated by generations in charge of the force who don't want to discredit their predecessors.

    We should not even be discussing it.

    It should have happened years ago.




    http://www.donegaldaily.com/2013/03/27/american-cops-know-exactly-who-killed-little-mary-claim/


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  • #931
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    stuar wrote: »
    Oranbhoy your an ugly oul fecker but I saw the pic's before I knew who you were, but I suspected you were who you are, just from looking, your brother was a throw off but even an uglier fecker....haha....joke
    .


    MODS!!!!!


    :)


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