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Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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  • #752
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Going Forward wrote: »
    About this RED VW Beetle in 1977 Donegal.

    Were they commonly seen in red in Ireland at all back then?

    I remember pale blue, white, yellow, orange. All a bit wishy washy apart from the orange one.

    Red seems rare enough. Could be bad memory though.

    this is something I am actively trying to find out .. not getting much luck so far though , i know its an untrue story anyway but it would be good to have the proof


  • #753
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    I wouldn't let them corrupt pack of ******** look for my dog, maybe they were sent in to spoil or distort. Acting under order.

    They have a history of fcuking things up, and if anything is a red herring it's these sent in to continue the cover-up. I've no faith in this latest development, or latest distraction.:mad:


  • #754
    JohnCash0260
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭JohnCash0260


    stuar wrote: »
    I wouldn't let them corrupt pack of ******** look for my dog, maybe they were sent in to spoil or distort. Acting under order.

    They have a history of fcuking things up, and if anything is a red herring it's these sent in to continue the cover-up. I've no faith in this latest development, or latest distraction.:mad:

    It's a fright to God they wouldn't even get her body back for her sisters sake. What kind of sick cūnts are they.


  • #755
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    stuar wrote: »
    I wouldn't let them corrupt pack of ******** look for my dog, maybe they were sent in to spoil or distort. Acting under order.

    They have a history of fcuking things up, and if anything is a red herring it's these sent in to continue the cover-up. I've no faith in this latest development, or latest distraction.:mad:

    I agree , great timing with this march going on tomorrow


    on another note i have some good news which for now i can't share when i know certain people are reading this forum looking ofr info for their rags , as soon as my cousin decides to release this news I will let you know.

    Needless to say it discredits the whole "cold case" story from the star earlier in the week .


  • #756
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    I agree , great timing with this march going on tomorrow


    on another note i have some good news which for now i can't share when i know certain people are reading this forum looking ofr info for their rags , as soon as my cousin decides to release this news I will let you know.

    Needless to say it discredits the whole "cold case" story from the star earlier in the week .

    I don't know why journalists have an agenda on this, the mind boggles, truth is truth is truth, why distort it?


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  • #757
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    stuar wrote: »
    I don't know why journalists have an agenda on this, the mind boggles, truth is truth is truth, why distort it?

    she said bad things about him in her documentary so hes trying to get back at her by discrediting "her" story (which is actually my cousins story) - like i said playground stuff

    Meanwhile a 6 year old lies dumped buried like an animal somewhere whilst these type of people as well as political trolls argue over it online & in print it would make you sick


  • #758
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    she said bad things about him in her documentary so hes trying to get back at her by discrediting "her" story (which is actually my cousins story) - like i said playground stuff

    Meanwhile a 6 year old lies dumped buried like an animal somewhere whilst these type of people as well as political trolls argue over it online & in print it would make you sick

    Well that's a load of b0llox, let them take their petty arguments elsewhere, this isn't about either of them, it's about your 6 year old cousin and people's ego's getting in the way, sickening.


  • #759
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    she said bad things about him in her documentary so hes trying to get back at her by discrediting "her" story (which is actually my cousins story) - like i said playground stuff

    Meanwhile a 6 year old lies dumped buried like an animal somewhere whilst these type of people as well as political trolls argue over it online & in print it would make you sick
    she didn't name him did she?


  • #760
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    stuar wrote: »
    I don't know why journalists have an agenda on this, the mind boggles, truth is truth is truth, why distort it?
    some are garda lackeys who rely on cops for their 'exclusives'


  • #761
    cosanostra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭cosanostra


    Personally I think any search should be carried out by specialist archeologists it's a 6 yr olds remains they're looking for it needs to be carried out delicately, to me a digger churning up bogland is an insane way for a search to be carried out


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  • #762
    JohnCash0260
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭JohnCash0260


    cosanostra wrote: »
    Personally I think any search should be carried out by specialist archeologists it's a 6 yr olds remains they're looking for it needs to be carried out delicately, to me a digger churning up bogland is an insane way for a search to be carried out

    You're right but remember these guys have something to hide. Bringing in archaeologists would possibly find her body and they can't have that.


  • #763
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    JohnCash0260 wrote: »
    You're right but remember these guys have something to hide. Bringing in archaeologists would possibly find her body and they can't have that.

    You have some proof that there were no suitably qualified persons in charge of the search/dig?
    I read something similar about the previous search also and that was completely untrue. There were suitably qualified persons directing operations.

    I have no reason to believe this is any different.
    If you have then please post the information, thank you.


  • #764
    PaddyWilliams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭PaddyWilliams


    stuar wrote: »
    I don't know why journalists have an agenda on this, the mind boggles, truth is truth is truth, why distort it?

    Reminds me of something I heard once. The truth is a set of lies agreed upon.


  • #765
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    Heres 3 diggers being used to search for 'the disappeared' in NI. Seems to be the way of doing things http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-24812052


  • #766
    Going Forward
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    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    And have you contacted the gardai for a reply to his claims. and if so what is their answer?

    The witness has been reported as claiming, amongst other things, that the gardai botched up the investigation.

    For balance I'd be interested in knowing the Garda response to these allegations, even to know if they would respond or not.

    Do they dismiss him out of hand or agree that they covered up his information about the car all those years ago?


  • #767
    cosanostra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭cosanostra


    Search done and dusted and no evidence found, that was quick.....


  • #768
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,270 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Apparently the diggers only scrape the surface of the search site to clear it.
    Then they use x-ray equipment to detect bones or bone fragments.
    All this is overlooked by a forensic anthropologist.

    Nothing found would suggest there was nothing there or if there was it was moved but the x-rays should detect ground disturbance.


  • #769
    Burtman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 ✭Burtman


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    this is something I am actively trying to find out .. not getting much luck so far though , i know its an untrue story anyway but it would be good to have the proof

    Hi, just signed up as I have been following this thread and also been interested in this case for many years....as far as I know and i was a beetle enthusiast in the 70s, they made them in a colour called poppy red but only in convertible type..so if it was a factory paint job it would have been very distinctive, could have been resprayed though as a lot of that went on back then...


  • #770
    JohnCash0260
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭JohnCash0260


    Does anyone have a link to the Cracking Crime programme made by RTE about Mary Boyle. I've been looking for it but can't find it on the web. I think it was broadcast around 2008. I know it's probably RTE bull but I think it would be worth looking at in light of recent developments.


  • #771
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Burtman wrote: »
    Hi, just signed up as I have been following this thread and also been interested in this case for many years....as far as I know and i was a beetle enthusiast in the 70s, they made them in a colour called poppy red but only in convertible type..so if it was a factory paint job it would have been very distinctive, could have been resprayed though as a lot of that went on back then...

    There are lots of 70s VW colour charts on the web, hard to find anything Irish specific though.

    I know they weren't seen in a very wide range of colours here, but on the other hand, red wouldn't be an unheard of colour for a car either....even in '70s Ireland. .

    Purple was more popular as a car colour as I recall.


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  • #772
    Kenny Logins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Burtman wrote: »
    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    this is something I am actively trying to find out .. not getting much luck so far though , i know its an untrue story anyway but it would be good to have the proof

    Hi, just signed up as I have been following this thread and also been interested in this case for many years....as far as I know and i was a beetle enthusiast in the 70s, they made them in a colour called poppy red but only in convertible type..so if it was a factory paint job it would have been very distinctive, could have been resprayed though as a lot of that went on back then...
    Burtman wrote: »
    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    this is something I am actively trying to find out .. not getting much luck so far though , i know its an untrue story anyway but it would be good to have the proof

    Hi, just signed up as I have been following this thread and also been interested in this case for many years....as far as I know and i was a beetle enthusiast in the 70s, they made them in a colour called poppy red but only in convertible type..so if it was a factory paint job it would have been very distinctive, could have been resprayed though as a lot of that went on back then...

    There was Kasan red, Royal red, Iberian red and in the 60s, Ruby red. There's nothing unusual or remarkable about a red beetle at all.


  • #773
    Burtman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 ✭Burtman


    Going Forward wrote: »
    There are lots of 70s VW colour charts on the web, hard to find anything Irish specific though.

    I know they weren't seen in a very wide range of colours here, but on the other hand, red wouldn't be an unheard of colour for a car either....even in '70s Ireland. .

    Purple was more popular as a car colour as I recall.

    Lots of folks respraying back then and living next to a garage that worked mostly at beetles ive seen quite a few being resprayed red over that decade......


  • #774
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Burtman wrote: »
    Lots of folks respraying back then and living next to a garage that worked mostly at beetles ive seen quite a few being resprayed red over that decade......

    Fair enough.

    My recall wouldn't be that good on them!
    70s Ireland was a mix of black and white and beige and purple to me.


  • #775
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Police Ombudsman investigates complaint, at an advanced stage...


    http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2016/07/15/news/police-ombudsman-investigates-mary-boyle-complaint-605813/?param=ds441rif44T


  • #776
    mikeymouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭mikeymouse


    is this the area where mary went missing, does anyone know?



    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.5192191,-8.1017844,924m/data=!3m1!1e3


  • #777
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    You have some proof that there were no suitably qualified persons in charge of the search/dig?
    I read something similar about the previous search also and that was completely untrue. There were suitably qualified persons directing operations.

    I have no reason to believe this is any different.
    If you have then please post the information, thank you.

    can you please post the information you have of previous search ?


  • #778
    Technique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Technique


    mikeymouse wrote: »
    is this the area where mary went missing, does anyone know?



    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.5192191,-8.1017844,924m/data=!3m1!1e3

    I'm guessing that this is the grandparents house?

    https://goo.gl/maps/VTxJgcF28UA2

    And this is the neighbour's house where the ladder was borrowed from?

    https://goo.gl/maps/c1cvbpXkGCR2

    And this was the lake where the poachers were?

    https://goo.gl/maps/ggH6wAojhH72


  • #779
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    mikeymouse wrote: »
    is this the area where mary went missing, does anyone know?



    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.5192191,-8.1017844,924m/data=!3m1!1e3

    it is yeah where lane end on the left is where she left from going to the house on the right, at roughly a 4 0 clock angle from that house ( im no good at degrees etc sorry)

    also if you go into street view up the grandparents house lane you can see her uncle working in the undergrowth, ob#ver a wall, his face is off course blurred as google does


  • #780
    mikeymouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭mikeymouse


    Doesn't look like it from this report.
    http://donegalnews.com/2013/11/ombudsman-investigates-mary-boyle-dig-search/


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  • #781
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    JohnCash0260 wrote: »
    Does anyone have a link to the Cracking Crime programme made by RTE about Mary Boyle. I've been looking for it but can't find it on the web. I think it was broadcast around 2008. I know it's probably RTE bull but I think it would be worth looking at in light of recent developments.

    this is the documentary im pretty sure that the producers of which refused Gemma O D to use , so would be pretty hard to find id wager, if i recall this is the one that had a reconstruction of Marys last moments and was made in conjunction with the garda, no mentions of Red VW beetles in it though


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