Where to live?

Tipperary Fairy · 13-07-2016 03:59PM

I can't imagine it's unique to Ireland, but would be interested if there were anyway stats on it.

You don't have to automatically love the country you were born in. Ireland just doesn't suit me and what I want. Maybe when i'm in my forties or fifties or something it will, who knows. For now I'm interested in seeing more.

It's have to be a place where we're likely to get jobs, rather than trying to secure something before going. As there's two of us, it'd be quite difficult.

Realt Dearg Sec · 13-07-2016 04:08PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I guess I meant rich countries

Fair point so...although I've met huge numbers of Spanish and Italians living in Ireland, presume that's replicated often elsewhere. But actually or emigration patterns tend to replicate those of former colonial countries rather than other rich countries. So it's not really some unique mystery of Irish people, it's probably a historical hangover.

Realt Dearg Sec · 13-07-2016 04:15PM

Tipperary Fairy wrote: »

I can't imagine it's unique to Ireland, but would be interested if there were anyway stats on it.

You don't have to automatically love the country you were born in. Ireland just doesn't suit me and what I want. Maybe when i'm in my forties or fifties or something it will, who knows. For now I'm interested in seeing more.

It's have to be a place where we're likely to get jobs, rather than trying to secure something before going. As there's two of us, it'd be quite difficult.

So what kind of work do you want to do? To be honest, you're not going to find a place that fits all of the criteria youre setting out. You want good weather, no negativity (not sure exactly what that means or why you would think negativity in any sense is something particular Ireland, or where you would imagine people are less negative...I think you need to clarify what you mean by negative actually), a place where not having the language isn't going to be an issue, and where it'll be easy to just get a job (again you haven't said in what area of work) once you arrive rather than having to sort one before leaving.

Not to be smart about it, but it's hard to imagine a place that fulfills all these criteria. I can't think of too many places that fulfill any of them, except the weather.

riclad · 13-07-2016 04:22PM

The weather in dublin is fine ,mild, maybe a bit cold in the winter.
As you go west it gets colder and more rainy .
I have no wish to live in the usa where its usually hot and you need air conditioning most of the time .
we don,t get hurricane ,s or earthquakes in ireland .

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/these-are-the-happiest-countries-in-the-world
You don,t need to live in a rich country .
A country with a public health service ,that,s not corrupt is simpler to live in .
i Think people are happy in sweden and finland .
Its cold ,taxes are high .They have long dark winters .
People go to oz,the weather is good, they speak english, they like irish people , its like a warmer version of the uk.
People want to live in a country with a stable economy
where there,s plenty of jobs .

Kev_2012 · 13-07-2016 04:44PM

riclad wrote: »

The weather in dublin is fine ,mild, maybe a bit cold in the winter.
As you go west it gets colder and more rainy .
I have no wish to live in the usa where its usually hot and you need air conditioning most of the time .
we don,t get hurricane ,s or earthquakes in ireland .

I can confirm that this is a total lie. The weather sucks here! Albeit a little more in the west.

I never really bothered too much about the weather before moving abroad but once you experience seasons and nice summers, it becomes hard to forget!

Ireland ain't too bad but the weather is head wrecking, having said that I wouldn't be able for constant 35 degree temperatures either.

Dr Crayfish · 13-07-2016 05:11PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Fair point so...although I've met huge numbers of Spanish and Italians living in Ireland, presume that's replicated often elsewhere. But actually or emigration patterns tend to replicate those of former colonial countries rather than other rich countries. So it's not really some unique mystery of Irish people, it's probably a historical hangover.

Yes, have you ever noticed that Spanish seem to always complain about Ireland, or wherever they are outside of Spain for that matter? The food, the weather, the public transport etc. They tend to think everything is better in Spain. I'd almost agree with them though but then I only holiday there

Dr Crayfish · 13-07-2016 05:14PM

My friend just started a job in Boston, for Harvard. He's a doctor in a very specialised area of science however. It's nigh impossible to get a visa for the USA unless you're highly skilled. So if you work on getting a PhD, in 7 years time you could be enjoying the famous colourful New England seasons

Realt Dearg Sec · 13-07-2016 05:22PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Yes, have you ever noticed that Spanish seem to always complain about Ireland, or wherever they are outside of Spain for that matter? The food, the weather, the public transport etc. They tend to think everything is better in Spain. I'd almost agree with them though but then I only holiday there

Italians as well, never stop moaning that the pasta isn't up to scratch. You often hear Irish folk complain about the way Irish people go on holiday and complain about the Guinness and the lack of a full fry. But that insularity is by no means unique to us. I mean, why would an Italian go all the way to Ireland only to look for Italian food all the time?

Tipperary Fairy · 14-07-2016 03:54AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

So what kind of work do you want to do? To be honest, you're not going to find a place that fits all of the criteria youre setting out. You want good weather, no negativity (not sure exactly what that means or why you would think negativity in any sense is something particular Ireland, or where you would imagine people are less negative...I think you need to clarify what you mean by negative actually), a place where not having the language isn't going to be an issue, and where it'll be easy to just get a job (again you haven't said in what area of work) once you arrive rather than having to sort one before leaving.

Not to be smart about it, but it's hard to imagine a place that fulfills all these criteria. I can't think of too many places that fulfill any of them, except the weather.

It's not that I want to have fantastic weather the whole year round, I just want seasons! And yes generally warmer would be good.

I haven't said much about the work because I've experience in a few areas as does my boyfriend and so it's not such a huge defining factor.

It's hard to explain the negative thing, you don't really notice it until you leave. People talk about normal things, not preoccupied with bad mouthing everyone and everything. People are just generally happier and nicer.

Canada looks like it might work for a year, with the whv. Would have to look at it more, to think about what part.

But in terms of slightly longer term, I think we'd prefer something in Europe anyway. Tbh while France looks good generally (plus I have an intermediate understanding of French), I'm not sure I'd feel terribly at ease with the idea of going there, or Germany, or Belgium tbh.

FTA69 · 14-07-2016 07:30AM

Lyaiera wrote: »

I know a few people who have been to both Iraq and Iran and say there's no shortage of booze if you know where to look. I've read travel blogs that support this.

I was drunk as a lord every day I was in Tehran. Middle class tehrani young people are obsessed with house parties in the suburbs which usually feature wearing the most skimpy outfits possible, booze and loads of drugs. MDMA is hugely popular over there.

Kev_2012 · 14-07-2016 11:41AM

Tipperary Fairy wrote: »

Canada looks like it might work for a year, with the whv. Would have to look at it more, to think about what part.

You get 2 years on the WHV for Canada. Also, as I stated before, Vancouver or in around that general area has the best weather in Canada. It actually has 4 seasons. Otherwise you are looking at extreme heat and cold in the other major population centres. There is a reason half of Toronto is underground

Subcomandante Marcos · 14-07-2016 11:47AM

Lyaiera wrote: »

I know a few people who have been to both Iraq and Iran and say there's no shortage of booze if you know where to look. I've read travel blogs that support this.

All Christian and Jewish restaurants in Tehran are permitted to serve alcohol with meals, true story.

Tipperary Fairy · 14-07-2016 11:59AM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

You get 2 years on the WHV for Canada. Also, as I stated before, Vancouver or in around that general area has the best weather in Canada. It actually has 4 seasons. Otherwise you are looking at extreme heat and cold in the other major population centres. There is a reason half of Toronto is underground

You don't get two years anymore as far as I can see. Not as of 2014.
I'll take a look at Vancouver so

FTA69 · 14-07-2016 12:00PM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

All Christian and Jewish restaurants in Tehran are permitted to serve alcohol with meals, true story.

Very, very of them do in practice and it's nearly impossible to get legally in the country - as a tourist even the people who might technically allowed to possess and sell it won't have anything to do with you.

Subcomandante Marcos · 14-07-2016 12:04PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Very, very of them do in practice and it's nearly impossible to get legally in the country - as a tourist even the people who might technically allowed to possess and sell it won't have anything to do with you.

Ah, you just need to know where to look, being brown helps too. They won't give you more than a few glasses of wine or beer in restaurants though.

That said, in peoples homes in the richer areas of Tehran, alcohol flows freely.

FTA69 · 14-07-2016 12:07PM

My mate's old man kept trying to give me expensive whiskey and then told us to help ourselves when he went off to the Black Sea on holiday. Unfortunately for us he took the whiskey with him and all we had was a jerry-can full of Arak we mixed with some lemonade type yoke from the shop. Absolute palaver, I haven't gawked that much since drinking a load of poitín on New Years Eve in 2006.

Kev_2012 · 14-07-2016 01:44PM

Tipperary Fairy wrote: »

You don't get two years anymore as far as I can see. Not as of 2014.
I'll take a look at Vancouver so

It's definitely 2 years on the WHV. You won't regret Van. Beaches/BBQs/Hiking in the summer, snowboarding in the winter.

Tipperary Fairy · 14-07-2016 03:57PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

It's definitely 2 years on the WHV. You won't regret Van. Beaches/BBQs/Hiking in the summer, snowboarding in the winter.

Yeah it's worded kinda funny now that I look back at it, seemed they no longer did it.
Could you not get sponsored there kev?

Kev_2012 · 14-07-2016 04:15PM

Tipperary Fairy wrote: »

Yeah it's worded kinda funny now that I look back at it, seemed they no longer did it.
Could you not get sponsored there kev?

Yeah CIC stuff can be confusing.
Don't need to, once you have over 1 year of Canadian skilled work experience that is on the NOC list (Type A or 0[managerial] i think) you can apply for express entry (Canadian experience class)

Tipperary Fairy · 14-07-2016 04:45PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Yeah CIC stuff can be confusing.
Don't need to, once you have over 1 year of Canadian skilled work experience that is on the NOC list (Type A or 0[managerial] i think) you can apply for express entry (Canadian experience class)

Yeah that's what I was saying really, my experience wouldn't be something on the skills list, or in managerial things.
But I meant you, why are you back in Ireland?

Joe prim · 14-07-2016 11:18PM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

All Christian and Jewish restaurants in Tehran are permitted to serve alcohol with meals, true story.

I''ve just had a great business idea, an atheist restaurant in Dublin that could serve booze on Good Friday! Crowdfunding anyone?

Realt Dearg Sec · 14-07-2016 11:40PM

Joe prim wrote: »

I''ve just had a great business idea, an atheist restaurant in Dublin that could serve booze on Good Friday! Crowdfunding anyone?

Sorry, buddy, this is not Iran. We take religion a little bit more seriously than that.

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