Tour de France Stage 12: Montpellier-Mt.Ventoux 184KM Spoilers

MrMischief · 14-07-2016 10:05PM

Not an easy call but certainly the wrong one....If this was Dimension Data today it wouldn't have even got a mention!

PeadarCo · 14-07-2016 10:08PM

retalivity wrote:

So if say on another day quintana cannot follow a froome attack, can he turn into the fans or a moto, manufacture a crash, mosey on up the hill after and get the time difference nullified??

Or another way of looking at it is that one day Quintana/x rider can't follow Froome/x competitor, what's to stop one of their fans from bumping into Froome. Its not like fans haven't deliberately inferred with the race before. It happened in the tours earliest years. Still the whole situation was a mess.

For anyone who compares the incident to diving in football have a look at the accident. It's not as if he caused it on purpose. With regard to Froomes earlier stop that was a peloton decision. Its not as if the other teams were forced to slow down. Its not like what Cancellara did a few years ago when he got the commisare to neutralize a stage because the Shlecks didn't like cobbles.
Some rider's always have more influence. If you read sean kellys autobiography you'll get an idea of the control hinault had at times.

Pudsy33 · 14-07-2016 10:09PM

neris wrote: »

Giro 2014 on the Zoncalon. The 2nd on the road was pushed into the rear wheel of michael rodgers and lost touch with him.

Frencesco Bongiorno. Was only talking about that today with my dad. He was shafted

Kaisr Sose · 14-07-2016 10:10PM

Burial. wrote: »

They are taking the times from 1km away apparently. Sad day for cycling, to see spectators and bikes create so much havoc as well as favouritism being given to some teams. Gutted for the likes of Mollema. Contador and the group he was in in '11 didn't get the same treatment when they were taken out

He is much further down the mountain than that...he retired on Sunday

Pudsy33 · 14-07-2016 10:12PM

C3PO wrote: »

So every time a crazy fan doesn't fancy a race leader he just knocks him off his bike?
I think todays solution is the fairest under the, very difficult, circumstances!

As Cosmo Catalano said on twitter. Either the race was fair for all, or not. All gaps stand, or stage neutralised. Can't have a jury inventing hypothetical finishing times.

Kaisr Sose · 14-07-2016 10:20PM

nee wrote: »

Gerrans out of the tour with a broken collarbone

https://twitter.com/simongerrans/status/753647209615327232?lang=en

Now that is BAD LUCK!

carltonleon · 14-07-2016 10:20PM

Just as well for Dan that the stage was shortened or else he could have lost 3/4 mins.

Burial. · 14-07-2016 10:23PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

He is much further down the mountain than that...he retired on Sunday

Read my post again. The 2011 tour. Contador would have podiumed that year had he received the same treatment Froome did today. And more significantly was Cadel Evans in the Vuelta of 2009 where a blockage more than less f*cked up his GC hopes deep into the GT...again nothing done about it. Evans himself said it cost him overall victory.

odyssey06 · 14-07-2016 10:25PM

They must be estimating the finishing times using a pools panel decision, or some sort of Duckworth-Lewis method... neutralisation would have been a more reasonable response to exceptional outside (human - not act of god) intervention.

07Lapierre · 14-07-2016 10:25PM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Would this not be similar to Porte taking a wheel from one of the Orica boys last year ...

I reckon Froome should be penalised for not completing the entire stage on the bike. Expultion would be ridiculous, but surely a time penalty is called for.

Some might say he did it in the heat of the moment, wasnt thinking clearly. Same could be said for Porte last season ... he still had to take the penalty.

Careful now...you don't want to be accused of being dense for mentioning penalties! 😄

Kaisr Sose · 14-07-2016 10:25PM

Daroxtar wrote: »

Anyhoo...
Poor old Chris, he spends the past few days winning over everyone with mental descending and getting in the break with Sagan, and now everyone hates him again through no fault of his own. I loved that "WTF did you just say?" moment when the interviewer said his legs seemed to be working fine

Yea, Chris dos not get the sarcasm in the question!

retalivity · 14-07-2016 10:26PM

Weepsie wrote: »

Have they adjusted times again? Quintana is now in 3rd at 54 seconds behind and Mollema in 4th at 56? Did they possibly take into account that Yates, Quintana and their group were apparently closing the gap?

Yup, for soem reason Quintana, valverde and tvg got the same time as aru et al, although they were initially 6 seconds behind them. Equally ridiculous and no explanation yet as to why

MrMischief · 14-07-2016 10:27PM

carltonleon wrote: »

Just as well for Dan that the stage was shortened or else he could have lost 3/4 mins.

If the stage wasn't shortened, Movistar/Sky wouldn't have attacked as early and the steeper inclines up to Mont Ventoux would have actually suited Dan so I don't agree! He looked like he was getting back in anyway prior to the crash.....

Burial. · 14-07-2016 10:28PM

Is there anything to be said for another mass Ventoux stage

xxyyzz · 14-07-2016 10:33PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

There was no devastating kick in Quintannas two attacks. Knew he had not got it at that stage. Don't thing Froome was on a flier of a day either - he was not tight in his team mates wheels at that point but he is going well-just not super well!

Yeah, I though he was having a few digs to thin out the sky riders who looked like they were tiring but then... nothing. He seems to be well out of form.

GT_TDI_150 · 14-07-2016 10:37PM

How was Froome just able to get up and run? I cant make 2 threads of a stairs after a bike ride ... No Jello legs for froome after hours on the bike?!

GT_TDI_150 · 14-07-2016 10:38PM

Burial. wrote: »

Is there anything to be said for another mass Ventoux stage

Cancel the TT ... up Ventoux again instead!

PeadarCo · 14-07-2016 10:41PM

MrMischief wrote:

Not an easy call but certainly the wrong one....If this was Dimension Data today it wouldn't have even got a mention!

Froome got the decision because he was in the yellow jersey. While not ideal I'm for anything that encourages rider's particularly the big GC rider's to throw a bit of caution to the wind and go for it earlier in the race.

cunavalos · 14-07-2016 10:45PM

Spectator video here showing the immediate response from Froome, it looks like the crash may also have damaged the rear wheel which is not spinning freely and dragging on the road. Probably why he dumped it a bit further up.
https://twitter.com/11uisagusti/status/753661716815314944

Again interesting to see the number of vehicles that ended up between the Froome/Porte/Mollema group and the Yates/Quintana chase

dastardly00 · 14-07-2016 10:47PM

cunavalos wrote: »

Spectator video here showing the immediate response from Froome, it looks like the crash may also have damaged the rear wheel which is not spinning freely and dragging on the road. Probably why he dumped it a bit further up.

A motorbike ran over it and broke/snapped a chainstay. There was a photo posted earlier in this thread. So the bike was of no use.

Kaisr Sose · 14-07-2016 10:54PM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

How was Froome just able to get up and run? I cant make 2 threads of a stairs after a bike ride ... No Jello legs for froome after hours on the bike?!

"Corporal Dan - you got a pair of Magic Legs"

Will Christopher be known as Forest from now on?

"Run Forest Run"

cunavalos · 14-07-2016 10:54PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

A motorbike ran over it and broke/snapped a chainstay. There was a photo posted earlier in this thread. So the bike was of no use.

I know, i posted the photo of the bike earlier but in response as to why he discarded the bike completely and ran which is where the question about further penalties / disqualification are arising from. He was literally dragging the bike up Ventoux

secman · 14-07-2016 10:58PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

A motorbike ran over it and broke/snapped a chainstay. There was a photo posted earlier in this thread. So the bike was of no use.

Will the groupset and other parts be up on cycling adverts on boards.ie ?

GT_TDI_150 · 14-07-2016 11:08PM

cunavalos wrote: »

I know, i posted the photo of the bike earlier but in response as to why he discarded the bike completely and ran which is where the question about further penalties / disqualification are arising from. He was literally dragging the bike up Ventoux

My ask about penalties was due to the fact he kept running even without the bike ... He could have waited where he was or 20-30m up the road to prevent blocking the road... he went a few 100ms up the road. the rule posted earlier today clearly indicates there is a rule against not completing the entire race on a bike.

carltonleon · 14-07-2016 11:09PM

MrMischief wrote: »

If the stage wasn't shortened, Movistar/Sky wouldn't have attacked as early and the steeper inclines up to Mont Ventoux would have actually suited Dan so I don't agree! He looked like he was getting back in anyway prior to the crash.....

I don't think he was getting back at all. He held it at 30secs for a couple of km but once the attacks started he drifted back and finished over a minute behind

terrydel · 14-07-2016 11:16PM

DominoDub wrote: »

Well what a crazy afternoon ..spent it watching the stage in the extra coolness in what is the Rapha Cycling Club in London .

A very nice spot for food , coffee and beer with big screens with Eurosport live , a nice mix of hard core bikers and suits in for the buzz.

Had a great chat with an 72 year old cyclist who watches all the live races at Rapha CC . Two seconds before the uphill crash we agreed that Steel and Ti bikes where still the best .."That's why do don't have full carbon !" We said ..as the loyal english crowd clapped for Froome as he ran up the Mt. ..

So if your in London during a big stage race I recommend you drop in ....Leave the Credit card behind too much expensive nice Rapha gear.

Suits are never nice, especially London types.

Inquitus · 14-07-2016 11:17PM

I think the Race Comms took a common sense decision today, Froome was clearly blameless in the Moto / Crowd chaos of the ASO's making and given the following Moto also made shíte of his bike I think the adjusted times are fair. Looked like he would have taken more time on the other GC rivals, Molema and Porte aside had the race reached its natural conclusion.

Beasty · 14-07-2016 11:24PM

secman wrote: »

Will the groupset and other parts be up on cycling adverts on boards.ie ?

Would only buy it complete - wouldn't want his bike just for spares - it would have pride of place in the museum I'm contemplating.....

Sinbad_NI · 14-07-2016 11:24PM

What a mess. Think the decision was all they could do really.

Looks like NQ didn't have it today, could be a good battle for 2nd now.

StevieGriff · 14-07-2016 11:26PM

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

How was Froome just able to get up and run? I cant make 2 threads of a stairs after a bike ride ... No Jello legs for froome after hours on the bike?!

Implying something?

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

My ask about penalties was due to the fact he kept running even without the bike ... He could have waited where he was or 20-30m up the road to prevent blocking the road... he went a few 100ms up the road. the rule posted earlier today clearly indicates there is a rule against not completing the entire race on a bike.

The rule does not "clearly" state that, it states a ride must cross the line with a bike.

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Tour de France Stage 12: Montpellier-Mt.Ventoux 184KM Spoilers