Where to get a dog

Ms Doubtfire1 · 13-07-2016 02:46PM

Knine wrote: »

Ah sure lets just let many vunerable breeds die out or become a nanny state & don't allow anybody to choose a particular breed for it's attributes. I can't believe people are still that naive. I don't make any money from my dogs, in fact they have me constantly broke but they are worth every penny I spend on them or the huge amount of time & effort I go to to improve, produce top class dogs, tge endless emails, phone calls, advice, free grooming I do. You clearly don't have a clue.

you'd think? well, I appreciate your back ground.But when you've seen what I've seen you'd change your mind.I'm not going to have a discussion with someone who clearly has no idea whats going on behind the doors of irish pounds.

Knine · 13-07-2016 02:49PM

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

you'd think? well, I appreciate your back ground.But when you've seen what I've seen you'd change your mind.I'm not going to have a discussion with someone who clearly has no idea whats going on behind the doors of irish pounds.

Ha lol you know nothing about my background or what I have seen or what 'rescues' I have had to clean up after............ seriously naive.

So no you won't change my mind.

tk123 · 13-07-2016 02:56PM

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

you'd think? well, I appreciate your back ground.But when you've seen what I've seen you'd change your mind.I'm not going to have a discussion with someone who clearly has no idea whats going on behind the doors of irish pounds.

You clearly have no experience of responsible breeders and owners though so your opinion is just as skewed. Reputable breeders aren't filling up pounds - it's idiot owners supporting puppy farmers. Banning reputable breeders isn't going to make people default to a pound or rescue. Plenty of people are willing to wait years for the right puppy from the right breeder.

How do you feel about puppy wings in some of the rescues - surely this just ads more pressure to the system and takes homes away from older dogs?

Ms Doubtfire1 · 13-07-2016 03:01PM

sure.that explains all the pure beds in the pounds. And i don't discriminate between puppies and old dogs in the pounds, frankly., if you knew your field, you'd be aware that older dogs get adopted just as frequently as puppies.it's the ones in the middle that have the least chance..and just a quick scan through the pounds brought up a pure bred maltese (with papers-owner surrender, breeder didn't want him back as he was neutered) couple of yorkies, a purebred white american shepherded,a wheaten terrier, a few blond labs and a black one.So, to me-and thats just me..reputable and breeder is an oxymoron.

tk123 · 13-07-2016 03:08PM

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

sure.that explains all the pure beds in the pounds. And i don't discriminate between puppies and old dogs in the pounds, frankly., if you knew your field, you'd be aware that older dogs get adopted just as frequently as puppies.it's the ones in the middle that have the least chance..and just a quick scan through the pounds brought up a pure bred maltese (with papers-owner surrender, breeder didn't want him back as he was neutered) couple of yorkies, a purebred white american shepherded,a wheaten terrier, a few blond labs and a black one.So, to me-and thats just me..reputable and breeder is an oxymoron.

Again you're tarring all breeders with the same brush to push your agenda. A reputable breeder will always take a dog back and won't rehome to the first person who shows up at their door. So listing what breeds are in the pound is useless and doesn't prove your point - if they were from responsible owners or breeders they wouldn't be there in the first place.

Knine · 13-07-2016 03:10PM

tk123 wrote: »

Again you're tarring all breeders with the same brush to push your agenda. A reputable breeder will always take a dog back and won't rehome to the first person who shows up at their door. So listing what breeds are in the pound is useless and doesn't prove your point - if they were from responsible owners or breeders they wouldn't be there in the first place.

+100

VonVix · 13-07-2016 03:25PM

tk123 wrote: »

Again you're tarring all breeders with the same brush to push your agenda. A reputable breeder will always take a dog back and won't rehome to the first person who shows up at their door. So listing what breeds are in the pound is useless and doesn't prove your point - if they were from responsible owners or breeders they wouldn't be there in the first place.

Wish this was more common knowledge. Goes to show how poorly educated the average person is in this country when it comes to how to buy a dog/puppy properly.

muddypaws · 13-07-2016 03:44PM

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

Don't know...reputable or not..as long as there are dogs killed in the pounds breeding should not be allowed.we still kill between 2,500 and 3000 dogs a year and as far as I am aware that does not even include greyhounds. Ireland abandons between 5 and 7000 dogs a year..so no, breeding is just plain wrong at this point in time. Ethical or not, it's done to make money, not to improve any breed. Especially not when you look at the current breed standards..still having nightmares of the GSD I saw on the last crufts...

None of my friends that breed do it for money, they do it because they want to continue a particular line, to improve the breed, or because they want a dog. No matter how many times you say they do it to make money won't actually change that fact. The breeders that keep an entire litter, how are they making money?

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

you'd think? well, I appreciate your back ground.But when you've seen what I've seen you'd change your mind.I'm not going to have a discussion with someone who clearly has no idea whats going on behind the doors of irish pounds.

I have a very, very good idea of what goes on behind the doors of Irish pounds, having been in many of them, and taken dogs out of most of them. But, again, reputable breeders dogs do not end up in pounds. There was one instance when a friend rang me in a panic, knowing I had a relationship with Ashton pound. They had sold a pup from a litter a few years before, kept in touch with the owner, then he had disappeared and they lost contact with him. The pup turned up in Ashton, their name was still on his chip, so they were phoned. The pound refused to return the dog to them because they were the breeder. I vouched for them, they begged but nope, they could not get the dog back. Irresponsible? And before you say they should have been more careful with who they sold the dog to, people lie, and circumstances change, if you know so much about rescue, you will know that. How many rescue dogs end up handed back in, or usually, dumped or strayed, even with homechecks, adoption contract etc?

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

sure.that explains all the pure beds in the pounds. And i don't discriminate between puppies and old dogs in the pounds, frankly., if you knew your field, you'd be aware that older dogs get adopted just as frequently as puppies.it's the ones in the middle that have the least chance..and just a quick scan through the pounds brought up a pure bred maltese (with papers-owner surrender, breeder didn't want him back as he was neutered) couple of yorkies, a purebred white american shepherded,a wheaten terrier, a few blond labs and a black one.So, to me-and thats just me..reputable and breeder is an oxymoron.

Again, those pure breds in the pounds do not come from reputable breeders. Apart from the one that ended up in Ashton, none of my friends that have ever bred their dogs have had one end up in a pound. Just because a dog is registered does not mean it comes from a reputable breeder.

Can you not see that people are the problem here, people who buy pups from bybs and puppy farmers? If there were only reputable breeders out there, with contracts, dogs returned etc etc, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. I used to think the same way as you, not interested in pedigree dogs at all, until I fell in love with a particular breed. It has been my pleasure to meet reputable breeders, people who love their dogs, love seeing how their pups grow up, love meeting those pups at rallies, shows etc as they grow up. And share the grief of the owners when the dogs dies. And I have friends who will be eternally grateful to their breeder for allowing them to have one of their dogs in their lives.

I do agree that it is incredibly easy to call yourself a reputable breeder when you are anything but, get involved with the breed club, even run it, so people think you are in it for the dogs, but then don't take a dog back when asked to, as you have just got a new pup, so don't have any room

There are also reputable rescues, and other rescues that should be avoided at all costs, who also don't give a damn about animal welfare, for them it is all about money and ego.

I also think the IKC need to step up more. In the UK, most, if not all, of the breed clubs affiliated with the KC have a welfare scheme, to take in unwanted dogs of that breed. I don't know how many breed clubs here do, I know the Ridgeback club do, and work very hard to help rehome dogs, not sure if they are the only breed club that does it. That would be a big improvement if the IKC insisted that all breed clubs had to have a properly run welfare scheme.

muddypaws · 13-07-2016 03:57PM

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

sure.that explains all the pure beds in the pounds. And i don't discriminate between puppies and old dogs in the pounds, frankly., if you knew your field, you'd be aware that older dogs get adopted just as frequently as puppies.it's the ones in the middle that have the least chance..and just a quick scan through the pounds brought up a pure bred maltese (with papers-owner surrender, breeder didn't want him back as he was neutered) couple of yorkies, a purebred white american shepherded,a wheaten terrier, a few blond labs and a black one.So, to me-and thats just me..reputable and breeder is an oxymoron.

That has me intrigued, I know the Swiss Shepherd, but not heard of that one before. Is it a registered breed?

andreac · 13-07-2016 04:09PM

Reputable breeders are not in it to make money and that is fact!!

I own 3 Rotties. All pedigree and one a top show dog. I have one female that i bred one litter from, she is now 6. I bred her only because i wanted to keep a son of my top winning dog. So, she had 7 pups, one of which i kept. One was returned to me after a couple of weeks as it didn't work out with the owner and i managed to get her a fab home.

My female is now spayed, as i don't plan on getting another dog for a few years, and by that time she will be too old for a litter, so, as i wasn't planning on keeping a pup in the near future, i wasn't going to be breeding again, so hence she was spayed.

The son has since had Cruciate repair done, so i will not be using him for stud, ever. So again, in it to make money? I think not. I have had millions of calls looking to use my top dog for stud, but 99% of them were not suitable due to one reason or another, mainly health testing not done. So again, if i wanted to make money, i could have just let him be used here, there and everywhere, but no, i didn't. Why? Because im a responsible breeder, who has the breeds best interest at heart, not my pocket.

In it to make money?? Really? I don't think so.

You really need to get your facts right before slating reputable breeders because you clearly don't have a clue.

SingItOut · 13-07-2016 08:08PM

OP - Before even considering a dog you will need to fix the fence or build a dog run to avoid fines if your dog is picked up by the warden or vet bills if the dog hurts itself while it escaped.

My dogs come from both sides of the scale, my terrier was bought on done deal and the other is a rescue pet. If I knew then what I know now about done deal there's no chance I would have bought my dog off that site. She was €60 to buy, when i got her home I discovered she had fleas, was covered in large with ticks in her arm pits and around her bum and was severely dehydrated. She cost me a further €600+ in vet bills and to this day, six years later, she suffers from a bad skin condition and needs special food. I love her to bits and would never change her, but please avoid done deal and trade magazines like the plague!

With my Collie, she's the rescue pet. She and her seven siblings were taken from the pound at 5 weeks of age by a rescue organisation. Their previous "breeder" left them in a vets surgery and wanted them put to sleep. The vet refused and took them to the pound. She's a fantastic dog, quite nervous of new surroundings at first but quickly settles. Almost 3 years later and the rescue regularly checks up on her and how she's getting on. Her rescue Fee was only €100 and she had her microchip, vaccinations and worm doses up to date. As she was only 5 months old, She was too young to be neutered so we were responsible for paying that when she was old enough, but the rescue center gave us loads of vouchers for her health care and neutering for the first year. A rescue pet is the best option as they are most likely neutered, micro chipped and vaccinated, saving you up to €200 or more than if you went to a breeder. Depending on how long the dog has been at the rescue/pound, the staff will be able to give you a profile of the dog and it's personality.

I believe its compulsory for breeders to chip their puppies now? so you shouldn't need to pay for that or vaccinations if you go down the breeder route. As others have suggested please insist on seeing the parents in the breeders house, if you are not happy don't be afraid to walk away.

VincePP · 13-07-2016 08:16PM

Why is it that whenever anyone asks about how to get a dog, the ignorant aggressive keyboard warriers come to fore with all sorts of accusations based on nothing but their own poorly judged tunnel vision.

I look in on this forum now and then, but will rarely comment, because some moronic, agressive, self righteous, so called "animal lover" knocks back any reasonable queries from people.

Sad.

Cherry Blossom · 13-07-2016 08:58PM

VincePP, there are arguements on this thread, yes, but all involved are capable of holding their own. The name calling and personal abuse dished out by you however crosses the line and then some. If you had an issue with any specific posts you should have reported them.

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CB.

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