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Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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  • #512
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Also, I can confirm the youtube doc works in the US. Must just be blocked in Ireland.


  • #513
    Sundew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Sundew


    DonegalTech wrote: »
    The documentary I watched didn't name any names of either the suspect or the politician.

    A suspect was named and it was stated what he had done in the "comments section " on the documentary this evening, not on the documentary itself!
    I saw the comment not long after it was posted and it was a really, really stupid thing to do especially as film was up to 80,000 views and gaining momentum. You can't control the trolls on YouTube so I would personally close comments if video was posted again.


  • #514
    jack923
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭jack923


    stuar wrote: »
    Listen, I'm ok, but some teenager on their summer holidays, allowed stay up late shouldn't be allowed provoke people, I realise I reacted, but give that person a break.

    Bush blew up the towers!



    Awaits reaction....


  • #515
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,993 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    "Forget it, Jake Jack. It's Chinatown Donegal."

    Not your ornery onager



  • #516
    Sundew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Sundew


    Video is viewable again....down for a comments cleanup I would imagine!


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  • #517
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,993 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Sundew wrote: »
    Video is viewable again....down for a comments cleanup I would imagine!
    I really hope comments are closed now. The whole issue is too serious to be fup duck by people posting free Can't Get A Fair Trial cards.

    Anyone remember the Harney / Haughey fiasco? I always wondered about that one...

    Not your ornery onager



  • #518
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    There's something that was said during an interview with Gemma O Doherty about the suspect not having been questioned:

    O’Doherty: “I know that, and I completely trust the opinion of the senior gardai that I’ve been working with on this case. But also Ann and Margo and other peopled familiar with the situation and it is their belief that if the killer was brought in and properly questioned, that a confession would be forthcoming. And they believe that this individual has never been questioned properly.”

    Delaney: “Never been questioned.”

    O’Doherty: “That is their belief and certainly not arrested.

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/10/02/if-the-suspect-is-brought-in-a-confession-would-be-forthcoming/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=web&utm_content=related_posts


    In the documentary the suspect was questioned but the gaurd questioning him said he was told to lay off.

    Is there anything to account for this discrepancy, albeit there may be more than one suspect or is it phrasing??


  • #519
    oranbhoy67
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    Going Forward wrote: »
    There's something that was said during an interview with Gemma O Doherty about the suspect not having been questioned:

    O’Doherty: “I know that, and I completely trust the opinion of the senior gardai that I’ve been working with on this case. But also Ann and Margo and other peopled familiar with the situation and it is their belief that if the killer was brought in and properly questioned, that a confession would be forthcoming. And they believe that this individual has never been questioned properly.”

    Delaney: “Never been questioned.”

    O’Doherty: “That is their belief and certainly not arrested.

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/10/02/if-the-suspect-is-brought-in-a-confession-would-be-forthcoming/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=web&utm_content=related_posts


    In the documentary the suspect was questioned but the gaurd questioning him said he was told to lay off.

    Is there anything to account for this discrepancy, albeit there may be more than one suspect or is it phrasing??

    he was questioned but never formally arrested


  • #520
    K-9
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    DonegalTech wrote: »
    Who has filed a defamation case against the video, I didn't think the video named anybody.

    Did I see a different version of the video or what?

    May well be a comment that was posted on the video.

    Shows you why boards has to be careful about what is said on here. The odd thing is, more is expected of us because it's a moderated site, less so if it was a free for all!

    Anyway boards has consistently gone on about this for years...

    The other side of it is unfounded allegations can gain ground, people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5 and that isn't fair at all either.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #521
    K-9
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    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    he was questioned but never formally arrested

    Aye, not formally questioned which is basically worthless.

    The new investigation needs to be done properly and if that takes months to do, so be it.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #522
    evancostello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭evancostello


    I find that the idea of a gigantic conspiracy involving senior gardai and polititians completely irrational and unsupported by anything I have seen. Is there something else in the public domain that I am not aware of ? I know there were two investigations into Complaints of Garda handling of this case and the Gardai were exonerated. ( Frances Fitzgerald) Are we saying the conspiracy extends to GSOC? It is telling , in the documentary that neither detectives say there was a cover up. This charge is made by the maker , Margo and Ann Doherty but there is no basis for this that I could ascertain anyway.
    Very confusing


  • #523
    evancostello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭evancostello


    Just one other issue that is troubling. The documentary does not say that the suspect was NOT questioned but that he was not arrested. I would imaging he was questioned on numerous occasions but I think the detectives are saying that he did not endure the rigours of being arrested. The follow on from this is that if he was , he may have cracked? Hightly speculative. Also isnt it the case the you can only arrest someone when you have sufficient evidence rather than for the purposes of shaking him down and hope that he would "crack".


  • #524
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,993 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Coughs. Coughs gigantically again. Rinse and repeat.

    Not your ornery onager



  • #525
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    Michael O Toole on Drivetime

    scroll down


  • #526
    evancostello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭evancostello


    mmmm check out the front page of the Donegal Post . Looks like the documentary is in unravelloing mode.


  • #527
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    evancostello wrote: »
    I find that the idea of a gigantic conspiracy involving senior gardai and polititians completely irrational and unsupported by anything I have seen. Is there something else in the public domain that I am not aware of ? I know there were two investigations into Complaints of Garda handling of this case and the Gardai were exonerated. ( Frances Fitzgerald) Are we saying the conspiracy extends to GSOC? It is telling , in the documentary that neither detectives say there was a cover up. This charge is made by the maker , Margo and Ann Doherty but there is no basis for this that I could ascertain anyway.
    Very confusing
    In an interview on ocean FM after the doc was shown Margo said she had no evidence only what she knew and was told. That may be good enough for her but not a court. She also said the other stations would not show it unless certain parts were cut. Probably they did not want to get sued. The video had to be take off facebook last night due to defamation threat but is back. That may have been a comment rather than content


  • #528
    Going Forward
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    evancostello wrote: »
    I find that the idea of a gigantic conspiracy involving senior gardai and polititians completely irrational and unsupported by anything I have seen. Is there something else in the public domain that I am not aware of ? I know there were two investigations into Complaints of Garda handling of this case and the Gardai were exonerated. ( Frances Fitzgerald) Are we saying the conspiracy extends to GSOC? It is telling , in the documentary that neither detectives say there was a cover up. This charge is made by the maker , Margo and Ann Doherty but there is no basis for this that I could ascertain anyway.
    Very confusing

    What do you make of what the two retired Gardai did say in the documentary?

    Also, I wouldn't read too much into the gaurds exonerating themselves.

    As for GSOC, their remit is very limited.

    http://www.gardaombudsman.ie/complaints/complainhow.html

    An "inadmissible" complaint won't be investigated to the best of my knowledge.


  • #529
    Going Forward
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    jenny smith wrote: »
    In an interview on ocean FM after the doc was shown Margo said she had no evidence only what she knew and was told. That may be good enough for her but not a court. She also said the other stations would not show it unless certain parts were cut. Probably they did not want to get sued. The video had to be take off facebook last night due to defamation threat but is back. That may have been a comment rather than content

    What a court would make of what Margo claims is completely irrelevant.

    It is not for a court to make anything of her claims at this stage.

    Before anything can get near a court it is up to the Gardai to investigate the claims if they decide to do so and try to gather evidence, statements witnesses etc.

    It is not Gemma O Doherty's or Margo's job to do the guards work for them.


  • #530
    Going Forward
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    evancostello wrote: »
    mmmm check out the front page of the Donegal Post . Looks like the documentary is in unravelloing mode.

    Can you elaborate?


  • #531
    Sundew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Sundew


    jenny smith wrote: »
    The video had to be take off facebook last night due to defamation threat but is back. That may have been a comment rather than content

    I would say video was definitely taken down for a short while because of a certain comment which I personally saw. The comment mentioned a name and what a certain person may have done. The comments had to be wiped after that. It was really stupid and uncalled for, but then again you can't control trolls :-(


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  • #532
    evancostello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭evancostello


    Appears from the Donegal Post that one of the Detectives, a Martin Collins, is saying that he never stated that there was a cover up by the Gardai, in fact he says the case was investigated without any interference from his superiors, which the Documentary suggested. Further that the phone call made no difference whatsover to the investigation. Worth reading.


  • #533
    Macca07
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    Sundew wrote: »
    I would say video was definitely taken down for a short while because of a certain comment which I personally saw. The comment mentioned a name and what a certain person may have done. The comments had to be wiped after that. It was really stupid and uncalled for, but then again you can't control trolls :-(

    The comments section had been completely removed now from the YouTube page. Probably better off.


  • #534
    Merkin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,230 ✭✭✭Merkin


    jenny smith wrote: »
    Michael O Toole on Drivetime

    scroll down

    The link is a discussion on Angela Merkel?


  • #535
    Macca07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Macca07


    evancostello wrote: »
    Appears from the Donegal Post that one of the Detectives, a Martin Collins, is saying that he never stated that there was a cover up by the Gardai, in fact he says the case was investigated without any interference from his superiors, which the Documentary suggested. Further that the phone call made no difference whatsover to the investigation. Worth reading.

    The thing is, I don't think he mentions once about a cover up, or interference from his superiors, it was the other retired Garda that says this.

    However, Collins blatantly says that the suspect is definitely from the area, and still lives there. Which means he knows who it is...

    How one could argue that a phone call from a politican didn't affect the investigation of this is pure tripe though...

    BTW, I haven't read the article.


  • #536
    BubbleBuddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭BubbleBuddy


    Merkin wrote: »
    The link is a discussion on Angela Merkel?

    http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_drivetime.xml
    As of 2.55pm Second Link Down:
    Mary Boyle
    A specialist garda unit is to take a fresh look into the disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle, who was last seen almost 40 years ago in Co Donegal. We spoke to Michael O'Toole.


  • #537
    Going Forward
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    evancostello wrote: »
    Appears from the Donegal Post that one of the Detectives, a Martin Collins, is saying that he never stated that there was a cover up by the Gardai, in fact he says the case was investigated without any interference from his superiors, which the Documentary suggested. Further that the phone call made no difference whatsover to the investigation. Worth reading.

    If you could link it or scan it?

    Collins must have changed his mind then.
    Last week he was reported to have said there was a cover up:


    “A phonecall was made to Ballyshannon station, it was a politician. The gist of the conversation was that none of a particular family should be made a suspect for Mary’s disappearance,” retired sergeant Martin Collins tells the documentary.

    Another former garda, retired detective sergeant Aidan Murray, says that he too was told by a now deceased former garda to lay off a particular suspect:




    http://www.thejournal.ie/mary-boyle-the-untold-story-2868438-Jul2016/


  • #538
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    Merkin wrote: »
    The link is a discussion on Angela Merkel?
    sorry was it ?. try
    http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_drivetime.xml

    you have to scroll down. I said that. it is showing second down for me


  • #539
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    Going Forward wrote: »
    If you could link it or scan it?

    Collins must have changed his mind then.
    Last week he was reported to have said there was a cover up:


    “A phonecall was made to Ballyshannon station, it was a politician. The gist of the conversation was that none of a particular family should be made a suspect for Mary’s disappearance,” retired sergeant Martin Collins tells the documentary.

    Another former garda, retired detective sergeant Aidan Murray, says that he too was told by a now deceased former garda to lay off a particular suspect:




    http://www.thejournal.ie/mary-boyle-the-untold-story-2868438-Jul2016/

    http://www.donegalnow.com/news/rte-ignored-desperate-efforts-for-justice-in-mary-boyle-case-alleges-odoherty/104437 is all i can see on donegal post


  • #540
    Merkin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,230 ✭✭✭Merkin


    Thanks Jenny, my bad. Neither link works for me so I think it's an issue this end!


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  • #541
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    Merkin wrote: »
    Thanks Jenny, my bad. Neither link works for me so I think it's an issue this end!
    i can upload the mp3 here if you want or is that against the rules?


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