Top Spanish matador Victor Barrio gored to death in arena live on TV

Donnielighto · 10-07-2016 02:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't pretend to be a fan of bullfighting, but think it's a bit more nuanced then that. If people wanted to simply watch animals being killed, they'd visit the abattoir. It's a culture, a spectacle, probably an element of machismo, pitting a man against tons of animal flesh and the whole unpredictability. I watch pro bull riding the odd time, and while I sneer at a lot of posturing and the whole Conor McGregor look at me narcissism around these days, those guys are pretty tough and they put their bodies on the line.

None of the bolder bit justifies it. And regarding witnessing suffering simply going to an abattoir there is much more suffering for the animal in the ring you're being obtuse if you don't acknowledge that.

Donnielighto · 10-07-2016 02:19PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

"Free range" - LOL. That can be anything from a small opening in a 70ft shed to Farmer Giles aul hen.

You haven't a clue. Anyone I know who has been in an environment where chickens have been reared, killed or processed has said it was off-putting!

We rear and kill our own, they're fine but you've hit on something with the vagueness. The you haven't a clue bit was either unwarranted or else applies to you as you are just going on second hand knowledge yourself.

Donnielighto · 10-07-2016 02:23PM

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8916880/To-the-Spanish-bullfighting-is-much-more-than-a-sport.html

Is that reason to justify something?

steddyeddy · 10-07-2016 02:30PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

All the high and mighty brigade should spend an afternoon in an abatoir to see what animal suffering is. Or go to a chicken production plant.

Food VS suffering for entertainment.

10-07-2016 02:34PM

Donnielighto wrote: »

None of the bolder bit justifies it. And regarding witnessing suffering simply going to an abattoir there is much more suffering for the animal in the ring you're being obtuse if you don't acknowledge that.

You spectacularly missed the point.

I was not comparing the suffering at all. Someone suggested people go to bullfighting to see animals killed, and I merely pointed out that if that was their only motivation than they'd be queuing up at the slaughterhouse.

10-07-2016 02:37PM

Donnielighto wrote: »

Is that reason to justify something?

Again, you missed the point.

Someone said it wasn't a sport. I linked an article by someone who claimed it was more than a sport, and whose book on bullfighting was nominated as best sports book. I didn't claim that particular book justified anything...I haven't even read it!

Dempsey · 10-07-2016 02:40PM

I dont understand why animals are put down when their exploitation backfires on the people that are trying to make money out of their misery.

Shenshen · 10-07-2016 02:40PM

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You spectacularly missed the point.

I was not comparing the suffering at all. Someone suggested people go to bullfighting to see animals killed, and I merely pointed out that if that was their only motivation than they'd be queuing up at the slaughterhouse.

Or at cock fights, or at dog baiting.

At the end of the day, many people do enjoy a bit of blood and gore. Perosnally, I'm not sure howmuch society should accommodate that in order to keep them entertained.

timthumbni · 10-07-2016 02:50PM

To those that defend bull fighting in Spain it is a ridiculous stance. I am no shrinking violet but I would draw the line at taunting a bull and then killing it in front of a baying crowd ffs.

There is no comparison with factory farmed animals. That is another topic but has no relation to some dopey spaniard trying to provoke a bull.... None at all.

10-07-2016 02:54PM

timthumbni wrote: »

There is no comparison with factory farmed animals. That is another topic but has no relation to some dopey spaniard trying to provoke a bull.... None at all.

Well certainly the bulls in bullfighting seem to have a better existence than factory farmed animals.

I'm not sure about the dismissal of bullfighters as "some dopey spaniards". The bullfighters in Mexico, France etc. might not like it for starters!

Discodog · 10-07-2016 02:57PM

We don't chase cows across a field lobbing spears into them. You can't compare farming & bullfighting. Ireland is in the perfect position to promote Freedom Food & export it, if the government had any sense.

10-07-2016 03:33PM

Donnielighto wrote: »

Been in an abattoir, have you? I have a few times as we get our own animals slaughtered. The bullfighting is definitely more stressful for the animal than when they are slaughtered for meat, the butcher/slaughterman doesn't take pleasure in making the making the suffer unlike bullfighters.

He probably saw one of those videos of an abattoir that PETA put up and assumed that Irish abattoirs are also the same.

Irelands abattoirs are relatively more humane compared to a lot of other countries and I don't think eating chicken is the same as jizzing in my pants over a bull being tortured.

Jawgap · 10-07-2016 06:36PM

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He probably saw one of those videos of an abattoir that PETA put up and assumed that Irish abattoirs are also the same.

Irelands abattoirs are relatively more humane compared to a lot of other countries and I don't think eating chicken is the same as jizzing in my pants over a bull being tortured.

Anyone who knows anything about slaughtering knows the animals need minimal stress before hand. Any stress depletes their glycogen stores which means pretty sh1tty meat (because the glycogen converts to lactic acid post mortem which tenderises the muscle/meat naturally), meaning poor prices. The market rewards humane slaughter because it yields higher quality.

Discodog · 10-07-2016 07:00PM

Hopefully Ireland will follow the UK & have more free range farms. A friend of mine rears pigs, in big fields & covered in lovely mud. They slaughter them on the farm & the free range pork sells for a really good price. Most of it goes to restaurants & he can't keep up with demand.

The consumer gets a first rate product & the pigs get a great life followed by a stress free end.

timthumbni · 10-07-2016 07:03PM

Discodog wrote: »

Hopefully Ireland will follow the UK & have more free range farms. A friend of mine rears pigs, in big fields & covered in lovely mud. They slaughter them on the farm & the free range pork sells for a really good price. Most of it goes to restaurants & he can't keep up with demand.

The consumer gets a first rate product & the pigs get a great life followed by a stress free end.

Does he wear tight matador type leggings whilst he tends to these pigs?

Discodog · 10-07-2016 07:05PM

timthumbni wrote: »

Does he wear tight matador type leggings whilst he tends to these pigs?

He would happily shoot a matador :pac:

NikoTopps · 10-07-2016 07:05PM

I have absolutely no sympathy for this idiot.

He got exactly what was coming for him taunting an animal for "entertainment".

gctest50 · 10-07-2016 07:06PM

Discodog wrote: »

Hopefully Ireland will follow the UK & have more free range farms. A friend of mine rears pigs, in big fields & covered in lovely mud. They slaughter them on the farm & the free range pork sells for a really good price. Most of it goes to restaurants & he can't keep up with demand.

The consumer gets a first rate product & the pigs get a great life followed by a stress free end.

Discodog wrote: »

.....followed by a stress free end.

How do you know ? Pigs are very intelligent

Discodog · 10-07-2016 07:19PM

gctest50 wrote: »

How do you know ? Pigs are very intelligent

Well I know that he used the services of a Vet & an animal behaviourist in the design of the slaughterhouse. I haven't been there at the time but I have been told that the pigs are killed individually & with minimal stress. Ok it may not be perfect but it's one hell of a lot better than what most pigs experience.

gctest50 · 10-07-2016 07:48PM

Discodog wrote: »

Well I know that he used the services of a Vet & an animal behaviourist in the design of the slaughterhouse. I haven't been there at the time but I have been told that the pigs are killed individually & with minimal stress. Ok it may not be perfect but it's one hell of a lot better than what most pigs experience.

Discodog wrote: »

I haven't been there at the time but..

but ?

Zurich University :

Anne (the pig ) would rather starve for three full days than enter the room that caused her so much suffering

10-07-2016 07:54PM

Discodog wrote: »

Well I know that he used the services of a Vet & an animal behaviourist in the design of the slaughterhouse...

Ha!

That sort of feel good nonsense plays to the same gallery that the Happy Pear Twins exploit.

Discodog · 10-07-2016 08:28PM

Are people suggesting that it's better to herd pigs together & drive them to an abattoir ? I said that his system isn't perfect but it's way better than what most pigs experience.

The same old argument is about to rolled out. If you oppose Bullfighting then you have to be a vegetarian :rolleyes:

Farming can be more compassionate & still be economically viable.

wakka12 · 10-07-2016 09:39PM

lazybones32 wrote: »

And the bull has been culled for his troubles...

lose-lose situation. Some mama and papa are distraught tonight and are probably still awake, unable to sleep because their baby boy is lying on a mortuary slab and some dickheads are mourning the loss of a bull.

I feel sorry for his parents. But really, they captured an animal against its will and used it for sports and it was killed for doing what its meant to do, charge when provoked. This man chose to enter the arena, knowing full well the risks involved. Mess with the bull and all...

Summer wind · 10-07-2016 10:22PM

Sad day for both man and bull. I think bull fighting is horrible and disgusting. I would be delighted if it was outlawed.

10-07-2016 10:33PM

Summer wind wrote: »

Sad day for both man and bull. I think bull fighting is horrible and disgusting. I would be delighted if it was outlawed.

It seems it was in Catalonia...which had no big tradition anyway, and the response in other areas in Spain and in other countries was to list it as a protected sport...

Summer wind · 10-07-2016 10:36PM

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It seems it was in Catalonia...which had no big tradition anyway, and the response in other areas in Spain and in other countries was to list it as a protected sport...

I guess it's hard to get rid of something that's been going on so long. We can always hope though.

we'llallhavetea · 10-07-2016 11:58PM

haven't read the thread but presume most people have feck all sympathy for him. i dont know how this torture is allowed still. dicks

timthumbni · 11-07-2016 12:42AM

Surely this goes back to the Roman arena. Why would they still do this nowadays?

As I said I like the Spanish. Surely there must be a big movement to stop this crap. It is moronic and cruel. Though I suppose ufc is all the rage here too......

we'llallhavetea · 11-07-2016 12:45AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Though I suppose ufc is all the rage here too......

how is this remotely the same? two consenting adults does not = man torturing a bull to death

timthumbni · 11-07-2016 12:50AM

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

how is this remotely the same? two consenting adults does not = man torturing a bull to death

I agree with you. I was taking the piss. Imo taunting and the killing a bull in front of a baying moronic crowd has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever seen or heard.

I think we are on the same side..

Top Spanish matador Victor Barrio gored to death in arena live on TV

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