Belfast as a U.I Capital

_Brian · 09-07-2016 11:12PM

The north is a time bomb.

The British are sick of pouring money into it and have been scaling it back, look at all the public service redundancies they have had.
It's been getting bye on a steady stream of cross border initiave money from Europe which is about to dry up.

The republic itself has little to no ability to Govern or manage the 26 counties, give it 6 more with more baggage that the rest am area that will be in free fall from funding deficits and the whole island would be broke - plane broken.

Reuniting with the six counties is a pipe dream one that would be far too costly and more trouble than it's worth. The British have ****ed it over. Leave it with them.

timthumbni · 09-07-2016 11:16PM

nullzero wrote: »

I sincerely hope there is never a United Ireland. The idea in vague terms is nice, but the reality of the DUP and UUP and all their baggage is something our still young republic is I'll equipped to deal with. Maybe in 2116 Ireland may be in a position to be a United island, right now it is a horrible idea. And as for Belfast potentially being the capital of a United Ireland ; it would be pure tokenism, but with the superiority complex of the aforementioned DUP and UUP we would effectively be crowning them as de facto rulers of the country, at least in their minds at least.

The whole term "united Ireland" is a misnomer anyway. If a sizeable number of unionists can be persuaded of the merits of a UI (so called) then it's possible but otherwise it would just be current NI situation controlled and financed by Dublin as opposed to London. There would be nothing United about it.

Of course with Gerry at the helm the chances of a UI are zero. Bravo SF, bravo.

getzls · 09-07-2016 11:55PM

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

Yeah I for one would love multiple giant annual sectarian bonfires in our capital where the National flag is burned at the top. .

The only time the National flag is burned is on Republican bonfires.

The National flag of Northern Ireland that is.

getzls · 10-07-2016 12:05AM

Northern Ireland got three billion from the EU in the last 7 years.
The Republic got 1.6 billion euro in 2014.

Shows who relys on European money.

saywhatyousee · 10-07-2016 12:20AM

getzls wrote: »

Northern Ireland got three billion from the EU in the last 7 years.
The Republic got 1.6 billion euro in 2014.

Shows who relys on European money.

Ireland is a net contributor to the eu budget and when broken down on a per person basis is the largest contributor

Iwasfrozen · 10-07-2016 12:31AM

saywhatyousee wrote: »

Ireland is a net contributor to the eu budget and when broken down on a per person basis is the largest contributor

The United Kingdom is also a net contributor.

Northern Ireland is not a member.

timthumbni · 10-07-2016 12:41AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The United Kingdom is also a net contributor.

Northern Ireland is not a member.

Neither is Scotland. And maybe they should consider that.

getzls · 10-07-2016 12:45AM

saywhatyousee wrote: »

getzls wrote: »

Northern Ireland got three billion from the EU in the last 7 years.
The Republic got 1.6 billion euro in 2014.

Shows who relys on European money.

Ireland is a net contributor to the eu budget and when broken down on a per person basis is the largest contributor

Short look on Google tells different.
Ireland receives more.

saywhatyousee · 10-07-2016 01:00AM

getzls wrote: »

Short look on Google tells different.
Ireland receives more.

Pre 2013

10-07-2016 01:34AM

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

Northern Ireland needs to become it's own independent country and sort it's **** out before we consider reunification.

Alternatively the English could remove their £5.2 billion plus subsidy per annum that gives Unionists their incentive to want to be under British rule, and there'll be a mass return by the self-declared "British" to Britain. Money talks.

timthumbni · 10-07-2016 01:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Alternatively the English could remove their £5.2 billion plus subsidy per annum that gives Unionists their incentive to want to be under British rule, and there'll be a mass return by the self-declared "British" to Britain. Money talks.

The problem you have with that warped theory is that many unionists in NI now consider themselves British.

I wouldn't count on a "mass return". Unless you are supporting some form of ethnic cleansing. Even then it wouldn't work.

10-07-2016 01:59AM

timthumbni wrote: »

The problem you have with that warped theory is that many unionists in NI now consider themselves British.

Er, hence the 'self-declared "British"'.

timthumbni wrote: »

I wouldn't count on a "mass return". Unless you are supporting some form of ethnic cleansing. Even then it wouldn't work.

Whether you'd support it or not is irrelevant. Take £5.2 billion (@ £8billion when defence and other spending is included) out of this last remnant of England's Irish colony and all ambitious, money-focused, career-focused Unionists will follow that money back to the United Kingdom of England and Wales. Watch the pressure grow in England when their suffering economy thinks of what it could do with that £100 million plus subsidy they give to Unionists each week. Well done to the DUP on the own goal of supporting Brexit

timthumbni · 10-07-2016 02:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Er, hence the 'self-declared "British"'.

Whether you'd support it or not is irrelevant. Take £5.2 billion (@ £8billion when defence and other spending is included) out of this last remnant of England's Irish colony and all ambitious, money-focused, career-focused Unionists will follow that money back to the United Kingdom of England and Wales. Watch the pressure grow in England when their suffering economy thinks of what it could do with that £100 million plus subsidy they give to Unionists each week. Well done to the DUP on the own goal of supporting Brexit

It was a uk wide vote. Simply reported by areas or in the NI case by Westminster voting constituencies. We are all out now. That is that. Even If the DUP had have supported the remain campaign it would be irrelevant within the total uk vote.

Vic_08 · 10-07-2016 12:22PM

A United Ireland with these fukkwits?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/euro-2016-unionist-councillors-refuse-to-back-congratulations-letter-to-northern-ireland-and-republic-of-ireland-because-england-werent-included-34858049.html

Good luck with that.

NIMAN · 10-07-2016 12:24PM

The best thing for a UI would be rather than make Belfast the capital of it, would be to detach it from the rest of the country and push it out into the sea.

NIMAN · 10-07-2016 12:26PM

timthumbni wrote: »

It was a uk wide vote. Simply reported by areas or in the NI case by Westminster voting constituencies. We are all out now. That is that. Even If the DUP had have supported the remain campaign it would be irrelevant within the total uk vote.

Even if every single person eligible to vote in NI had actually voted for REMAIN, the UK still would have left.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-07-2016 12:28PM

mohawk wrote: »

This is what Cork had been waiting for. In the Dublin versus Belfast debate Cork will swoop in and offer themselves as a compromise.

Cork only wants to be the capital of Cork. It's the Texas of Ireland.

Iwasfrozen · 10-07-2016 01:19PM

timthumbni wrote: »

Neither is Scotland. And maybe they should consider that.

When Scots learn the EU would cost them £1.5 billion they may not be so pro EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/a-second-scottish-referendum-is-not-inevitable/

An independent Scotland would be £16.5 billion less well off.

Iwasfrozen · 10-07-2016 01:26PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Alternatively the English could remove their £5.2 billion plus subsidy per annum that gives Unionists their incentive to want to be under British rule, and there'll be a mass return by the self-declared "British" to Britain. Money talks.

Fiscal redistribution is the norm in modern countries. Northern Ireland is part of the UK, not some external "colony" and as such the redistribution will not stop.

kowloon · 10-07-2016 02:43PM

Given the inevitable unionist bombing campaign that goes with a united Ireland, I vote Limerick for capital.

10-07-2016 09:01PM

timthumbni wrote: »

It was a uk wide vote.Simply reported by areas or in the NI case by Westminster voting constituencies. We are all out now. That is that. Even If the DUP had have supported the remain campaign it would be irrelevant within the total uk vote.

But the majority of the population of Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU and under the NIC in 1973 the wishes of the majority in NI, not in the UK as a whole, are paramount.

Will this sudden Brexit-inspired Unionist support for the entire UK determining the future of NI extend to allowing them to vote to stop subsidising NI/voting to end NI's position in the United Kingdom of England and Wales? I doubt it very, very much. What a decidedly à la carte understanding of democracy you have.

10-07-2016 09:04PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Fiscal redistribution is the norm in modern countries. Northern Ireland is part of the UK, not some external "colony" and as such the redistribution will not stop.

Dream on. The UK as it currently exists can only be dated to 6 December 1922, which would make it younger than any of my four grandparents had they been alive today. It's 94 years old, but you speak of it as if it's some ancient unchanging political entity - rather like British nationalists speak about it actually. The United Kingdom of today is a temporary little arrangement - as the Scots will make crystal clear over the course of the next few months (for those people who are slow to engage with reality).

And NI is of course the last remnant of England's Irish colony, no matter how much you might huff and puff at this reality. Had you been au fait with the dirty counter-revolutionary war carried out by the British state and its settler-colonial Pied Noir paramilitary allies since 1969, the British state's torture chambers in Castlereagh, Ballykelly and elsewhere, the shoot-to-kill policies, the assassination of native Irish defence lawyers, the legalisation of rubber/plastic (from 1973) bullets to "control" a riot in Northern Ireland (125,000 baton rounds of which were fired at the Irish up to 2005) but the outlaw of rubber/plastic bullets to "control" a riot over in Britain, the existence of an extraordinary 380,000 legally-held firearms in Northern Ireland, and an armed policeforce - two things which are rarities in Britain, the 50,000 armed British personnel patrolling the streets and roads where 700,000 Irish nationalists live, the internment without trial of said Irish, the juryless courts - indeed the entire paraphernalia of a repressive state that would never, ever, ever be allowed exist over in Britain. The fact that many Irishmen who were born in Northern Ireland have been banned from entering Britain just adds to the comedy of Thatcher's "Northern Ireland is as British as Finchley" claims that you love to engage in.

Dyr · 10-07-2016 09:07PM

Belfast is an unmitigated kip, as are portlaoise, athlone and all those other holes in the midlands

Dublin is the only candidate

Cork..too far south, too cork. Galway too far wesht

10-07-2016 09:56PM

Galway isnt fit to be galway as it is.

timthumbni · 10-07-2016 10:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Will this sudden Brexit-inspired Unionist support for the entire UK determining the future of NI extend to allowing them to vote to stop subsidising NI/voting to end NI's position in the United Kingdom of England and Wales?

No. Don't be silly. Are you suggesting a referendum for allocation of the U.K. Budget?

I don't know how many times this has to be said but this was a uk wide referendum. The results were announced by region/area or in NIs case by Westminster constituencies.

It was the tally of all votes within the entire uk that determined the result. Being butt hurt about this is pointless. Was it Manchester that voted slightly in favour of remaining? Are you suggesting that Manchester will go it alone. Not a chance.

We are out. That is that. SF like to make a lot of noise like most empty vessels they are loud. However the differerence between NI and Scotland for example is that the first minister and leader of the largest political party in NI (arlene) was for the exit and had already dismissed a border poll.

As has the NI sos btw and the U.K. Pm so I would say th chances of a UI are precisely zero. And if fact aside from the first few post Brexit hysteria days I haven't heard much from them about the whole UI issue again.

I don't really think they are that serious. They risk losing too many cushy "community worker" roles. Best leave NI alone lads.

timthumbni · 10-07-2016 10:25PM

Bambi wrote: »

Belfast is an unmitigated kip, as are portlaoise, athlone and all those other holes in the midlands

Dublin is the only candidate

Cork..too far south, too cork. Galway too far wesht

Belfast is certainly not a kip. I have no idea nor care about the other places you mention in the republic.

Belfast is actually quite a nice wee city. I stress the wee part. You can dander around it in half an hour. Pretty safe to walk around as long as you avoid going into the republican and /or loyalist districts. (And you would have to be going out of your way to wander into them)

If you want a kip of a city in NI then Londonderry is a candidate. Newry would win hands down as a dreary kip of course but it and Lisburn are cities only in name. Joke cities if you will. In fact I would also include doire in this category. A horrible atmosphere about the place where everyone seems to be inbred hills have eyes style.

diomed · 10-07-2016 11:12PM

If you want some place bombed to the ground, make that the capital.
They will be attracted to it, like bees to nectar.

11-07-2016 11:16AM

timthumbni wrote: »

No. Don't be silly. Are you suggesting a referendum for allocation of the U.K. Budget?

I'm suggesting that if it's OK for Unionists to reference "the wishes of the majority in the United Kingdom" as the reason why NI should leave the EU, then it's equally legitimate to maintain the same political unit, the United Kingdom, when it comes to deciding whether NI should remain in the UK. Of course, you know "the wishes of the majority in the United Kingdom" would be to kick NI out (and save English taxpayers at least £5.2 billion per year), so you want us to accept "the wishes of the majority in Northern Ireland" for that little vote.

There's a dedicated democrat, right there.

Dyr · 11-07-2016 11:23AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Belfast is actually quite a nice wee city. I stress the wee part. You can dander around it in half an hour. Pretty safe to walk around as long as you avoid going into the republican and /or loyalist districts. (And you would have to be going out of your way to wander into them)

"It's not a kip, just don't walk down the streets where they'll kill you for having the wrong accent"

NIMAN · 11-07-2016 12:10PM

timthumbni wrote: »

Belfast is certainly not a kip. I have no idea nor care about the other places you mention in the republic.

Belfast is actually quite a nice wee city. I stress the wee part. You can dander around it in half an hour. Pretty safe to walk around as long as you avoid going into the republican and /or loyalist districts. (And you would have to be going out of your way to wander into them)

If you want a kip of a city in NI then Londonderry is a candidate. Newry would win hands down as a dreary kip of course but it and Lisburn are cities only in name. Joke cities if you will. In fact I would also include doire in this category. A horrible atmosphere about the place where everyone seems to be inbred hills have eyes style.

At least we can all get on with each other in Derry.

I look forward to the news reports in the next week or so, where youse will all be fighting with each other and each side claiming "it was them that started it".

Where we have childrens playgrounds moved to accommodate huge death traps in the name of 'culture'.

Where the fire service have to come in and spray peoples homes for hours to stop them catching fire.

Where scores of police officers have to stand around a makeshift camp and get paid tens of millions in overtime each year just because some people aren't allowed to fly enough flegs.

Where money is wasted to placate each side equally. "We want our street names and every single printed piece of paper also printed in Irish too", for the handful of people who actually speak it in NI.

Oh yeah, Derry is a kip ok compared to all that. Maybe you should visit it sometime and have a look around. Perhaps when we were UK City of Culture a couple of years back might have been an ideal time. Or perhaps it has too many Catholics there for your liking?

Belfast as a U.I Capital

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