11 police shot, 4 officers dead after coordinated sniper fire at Dallas protest rally

08-07-2016 08:18AM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Ah, ****ty reporting from Radio 1 then. They had that speech as his response to the shootings of the cops.

Still doesn't change the fact that he is a crap president. Also, these shootings are pushing Trump closer to the White House.

Give me your reasons, in bullet point form, for why you think he is a crap president?

I mean, given that he's introduced Obamacare, pulled soldiers from a war they shouldn't have been in, and didn't declare any more wars, plus actually did some excellent work on the international stage, then he's been quite good.

namloc1980 · 08-07-2016 08:20AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Can't wait to see how the NRA and its supporters try and spin how people having access to more guns and not restricting gun ownership in any way would have stopped this one

Ah they'll pull out the mental illness excuse.

lawlolawl · 08-07-2016 08:21AM

VinLieger wrote: »

He's not wrong but its not just one problem though that caused this, theres racism, gun control and mental health to name 3 that 2 of which usually can be shown as the source that likely lead up to this and most of the other shootings that have happened in recent years

I question the racism angle.

In most, if not all, of the "racist shootings" the police are found to be completely justified in their actions after an inquest is held because the initial reporting is usually missing key facts to make it look like it was a racist cop shooting an innocent person who was just minding their own business.

Add to that the fact that most of these "innocent" victims usually turn out to have criminal pasts or are found to have actually been in the process of committing a crime at the time and it becomes a bit irresponsible for Obama to come out with statements about racism.

Itssoeasy · 08-07-2016 08:24AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I thought I saw him make that speech earlier today? Before all this

Yeah didn't he make a speech late evening our time yesterday before these shootings happened ? I don't know what to say really. I mean I see all the people on twitter from america saying how awful this is but the common thread here from all these shootings are guns. And the NRA say that guns don't kill people but a guy with a knife can't do as much damage as a guy with a gun.

I understand the way the 2nd amendment is held to be sacred but something has to be done IMO to stop this.

I was listening to a CBS 60 minutes a few weeks ago and a gun maker tried to make a "smart" gun and was subjected to horrible abuse and threats.

The whole thing baffles me is what I'm saying.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 08-07-2016 08:26AM

5 police officers dead now according to skynews

08-07-2016 08:27AM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Add to that the fact that most of these "innocent" victims usually turn out to have criminal pasts or are found to have actually been in the process of committing a crime at the time...

But they are not defences to the act of pulling a gun and shooting, policemen are not Judge Dredds taking out those with criminal records, they can only shoot in limited circumstances, usually involving a threat to their lives or to others.

Junkyard Tom · 08-07-2016 08:31AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The leftists have now found another way to turn the blame on middle class white males. It is now Gun Control Policies that are to blame.

What the hell is going on in your head?

VinLieger · 08-07-2016 08:33AM

lawlolawl wrote: »

I question the racism angle.

In most, if not all, of the "racist shootings" the police are found to be completely justified in their actions after an inquest is held because the initial reporting is usually missing key facts to make it look like it was a racist cop shooting an innocent person who was just minding their own business.

Add to that the fact that most of these "innocent" victims usually turn out to have criminal pasts or are found to have actually been in the process of committing a crime at the time and it becomes a bit irresponsible for Obama to come out with statements about racism.

I question the validity of the inquests as the members performing them invariably consist of ex police officers and union reps that just are covering their members asses.

Theres more problems though anyway than just racism, like the police culture of shoot first and ask questions later

lawlolawl · 08-07-2016 08:40AM

VinLieger wrote: »

I question the validity of the inquests as the members performing them invariably consist of ex police officers and union reps that just are covering their members asses.

And if the inquests had found the officers guilty of wrongdoing you'd be saying: "See! They are so despicable that even their own kind won't defend them!".

VinLieger · 08-07-2016 08:43AM

lawlolawl wrote: »

And if the inquests had found the officers guilty of wrongdoing you'd be saying: "See! They are so despicable that even their own kind won't defend them!".

No I wouldnt and id thank you to stop trying to put words in my mouth or make assumptions about my opinions.

wes · 08-07-2016 08:45AM

Awful news. Responding with violence will just beget more violence. Ultimately in some ways I am surprised it took so long for something like this to happen. There are a lot of guns in the US, and something like this was sadly bound to happen.

08-07-2016 08:52AM

There was something crazy going on where Fox news, I believe (and possibly other agencies) identified someone as one of the snipers. Turns out it was just a random guy that brought his rifle with him, to flaunt the open carry permits I believe they have there, but as soon as the shooting happened, he walked straight to the cops, handed in his gun, and allowed himself to be taken away, yet the news still said he was part of it.

His brother appeared on the news, pleading with them to stop showing it and to stop saying he's a sniper, because it'll destroy his life.

That's some bad luck right there!

Lollipops23 · 08-07-2016 08:52AM

It doesn't matter whether the victims had criminal records or not- unless they're about to kill somone (cop or not), there is NO justification for what the police did to the guys this week.

The first guy was PINNED to the ground, unable to even reach for a firearm if he wanted to. They shot him point blank when nobody was in danger. The second guy made the mistake of trying to comply with the cop's orders, and was attempting to volunteer the info that he had a gun and a permit.

I thought the US police were supposed to be the best and bravest? Seems they pull a trigger the second they get nervous.

ceadaoin. · 08-07-2016 09:03AM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

It doesn't matter whether the victims had criminal records or not- unless they're about to kill somone (cop or not), there is NO justification for what the police did to the guys this week.

The first guy was PINNED to the ground, unable to even reach for a firearm if he wanted to. They shot him point blank when nobody was in danger. The second guy made the mistake of trying to comply with the cop's orders, and was attempting to volunteer the info that he had a gun and a permit.

I thought the US police were supposed to be the best and bravest? Seems they pull a trigger the second they get nervous.

5 INNOCENT police officers were killed tonight. They had nothing to do with those other shootings

sydthebeat · 08-07-2016 09:07AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

5 INNOCENT police officers were killed tonight. They had nothing to do with those other shootings

Lollipop didn't say anything against that??

VinLieger · 08-07-2016 09:09AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

5 INNOCENT police officers were killed tonight. They had nothing to do with those other shootings

Problem is its likely the people who did it honestly believe they were doing the right thing and will blame it on racism.

This was triggered by racism or at least perceived racism if anyone still disagrees that a man restrained still poses a threat and should be shot point blank :rolleyes:
That is then exacerbated by lack of gun control and mental health support which likely enabled these morons to work themselves up enough and gain the weapons to perform this disgusting act

oppenheimer1 · 08-07-2016 09:10AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

5 INNOCENT police officers were killed tonight. They had nothing to do with those other shootings

I think you'll find it had everything to do with the other shootings

ceadaoin. · 08-07-2016 09:13AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Lollipop didn't say anything against that??

Well this thread is about the murder of police officers tonight in Dallas who had absolutely no involvement in the recent shootings

And we don't even know the motives of these shooters yet

08-07-2016 09:13AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

What the hell is going on in your head?

Flashbacks to killing Emily.

Jayop · 08-07-2016 09:16AM

Awful tragedy that sadly probably could have been predicted if not on this scale. So sad that these innocent people have died in what you can only assume is a revenge attack for the actions of others.

America really is just a completely crazy place with regards to its gun laws and the complete disregard for the lives of others.

LeinsterDub · 08-07-2016 09:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some really crazy videos from it.. The police officer getting killed point blank. America has to be one of the most divided nations on Earth and it's getting worse and worse.

Are you aware of Iraq, Syria etc ?

newport2 · 08-07-2016 09:18AM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I think you'll find it had everything to do with the other shootings

It did, but the officers who were shot today didn't, which is what ceadaoin said.

problemnext · 08-07-2016 09:18AM

if only the officers had guns shootings like this wouldn't happen .... oh wait

ceadaoin. · 08-07-2016 09:18AM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I think you'll find it had everything to do with the other shootings

I don't agree with some of the actions of the police in the US. That doesn't mean that every cop is fair game. The police shot tonight were protecting people at the protest.

Plus, we don't know who did this and why

Jayop · 08-07-2016 09:18AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Well this thread is about the murder of police officers tonight in Dallas who had absolutely no involvement in the recent shootings

And we don't even know the motives of these shooters yet

It's a fair assumption they are connected and the three incidents will be discussed will be discussed together until we hear otherwise. You'd probably be as well getting used to it or you'll have to call an awful lot of people out about it.

Jayop · 08-07-2016 09:20AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I don't agree with some of the actions of the police in the US. That doesn't mean that every cop is fair game. Plus we don't know who did this and why

Absolutely no one is suggesting all cops are fair game. I would imagine no one here thinks any cop us fair game.

ceadaoin. · 08-07-2016 09:28AM

Jayop wrote: »

Absolutely no one is suggesting all cops are fair game. I would imagine no one here thinks any cop us fair game.

Seems to me like some people are trying to justify these murders based on recent events. 'Well what do you expect' etc

Jayop · 08-07-2016 09:33AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Seems to me like some people are trying to justify these murders based on recent events. 'Well what do you expect' etc

That's not justifying something. This is an awful tragedy but could you honestly say that in light of the videos that we've seen over the last year or two and in particular this week that you're surprised some nut jobs have decided to take revenge on these poor innocent people for the crimes of some of their colleagues?

Reasoning something isn't the same as justifying it.

conorhal · 08-07-2016 09:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Give me your reasons, in bullet point form, for why you think he is a crap president?

I mean, given that he's introduced Obamacare, pulled soldiers from a war they shouldn't have been in, and didn't declare any more wars, plus actually did some excellent work on the international stage, then he's been quite good.

He has been an abysmal President. Here's a bullet point for you, after eight years of Obama in charge, race relations in the US are at an all time low. It's the one subject that you could argue he election was specifically intended to address and he dodged it at every turn. Shameful man.

suicide_circus · 08-07-2016 09:42AM

conorhal wrote: »

He has been an abysmal President. Here's a bullet point for you, after eight years of Obama in charge, race relations in the US are at an all time low. It's the one subject that you could argue he election was specifically intended to address and he dodged it at every turn. Shameful man.

What should he have done?

11 police shot, 4 officers dead after coordinated sniper fire at Dallas protest rally

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