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Any historical stories in your family?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    That's a great piece of history you have there.

    I wonder who the witnesses were?

    Anyway, doesn't matter. It's the real deal. You are lucky to have it in your possession.

    It's kinda sad too isn't it.

    My Great Uncle was in the Dublin Fusiliers too. Died in Gallipoli.

    Have to say the War Graves Commission is excellent.

    There's a reverse side to it but I'd have to search another drive for a copy, but I'm not sure if there's a witness named and just as you say that I'm not sure mine is witnessed either (I've made will's before going overseas, we have to).

    You say your great uncle was killed in Gallipoli, well on that note I'll give you this little story which I love.

    I was in Lebanon and on duty one night with a friend. We got talking about family members who were in the military, it turns out his grandfather and my great grandfather were in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers together. Sadly his grandfather was killed in Solonika (also Turkey) but mine survived the war.

    What I love about the story is that in WWI two Dublin lads went off to fight with the R.D. Fusiliers ~ and almost 100 years later here's their great grandchildren are also serving overseas together (we serve in the same unit at home too) this time in someone else's war.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    A distant relative fought in The Spanish Civil War.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    A lot of "hidden history" on this thread.

    Thanks to all who have contributed. Made fascinating reading.

    It's good to have a nice forum for a change. After Hours and Politics have become quite a downer.

    Some of my relatives served in WW1. Were involved in some of the big battles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    There's a reverse side to it but I'd have to search another drive for a copy, but I'm not sure if there's a witness named and just as you say that I'm not sure mine is witnessed either (I've made will's before going overseas, we have to).

    You say your great uncle was killed in Gallipoli, well on that note I'll give you this little story which I love.

    I was in Lebanon and on duty one night with a friend. We got talking about family members who were in the military, it turns out his grandfather and my great grandfather were in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers together. Sadly his grandfather was killed in Solonika (also Turkey) but mine survived the war.

    What I love about the story is that in WWI two Dublin lads went off to fight with the R.D. Fusiliers ~ and almost 100 years later here's their great grandchildren are also serving overseas together (we serve in the same unit at home too) this time in someone else's war.

    What an interesting story.

    Sad that conflict continues though. But that will be with us forever more I think. Just like before us in history too.

    Hope you stay safe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf



    Hope you stay safe.

    Cheers. I'd like to go to Syria, but I think I'll call it a day with overseas service.

    Done my bit' as they say.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    A distant relative fought in The Spanish Civil War.

    That conflict fascinates me for lots of reasons.

    I spent a lot of time in the Imperial War Museum in London about it. The photographs... OMG.

    Could spend days there really for everything else too if you had the time!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    My grandfather and one other managed to escape from a POW camp in Poland during WW2. Made it to Sweden and eventually back to the UK.

    Family still has the Iron Cross he "acquired" when they were stopped by an German officer who was on his own...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Cheers. I'd like to go to Syria, but I think I'll call it a day with overseas service.

    Done my bit' as they say.

    I think you are very wise not to go to Syria.

    Enjoy your demob (or is that just a war terminology?).

    Thanks, on behalf of myself and others for what you have done in the name of Peace.

    Sounds mawkish, but it is meant well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    I think you are very wise not to go to Syria.

    Enjoy your demob (or is that just a war terminology?).

    Thanks, on behalf of myself and others for what you have done in the name of Peace.

    Sounds mawkish, but it is meant well.

    Thanks but I've a few years left in me (I hope).

    Syria ~ just something you might be interested in.. I've never known a single soldier who has expressed a fear of serving overseas, not one.

    Usually one has a sense of excitement, you're not looking forward to saying goodbye to loved ones. But your training has prepared you well, you're well briefed on the political and operational situation you're going into and honestly danger is the last thing on your mind ~ you feel trained up to deal with any situation.

    And before the usual AH idiots get started about us only serving in peace keeping missions ~ don't bother, you'll only show your ignorance.

    Now its way past my bed time.. Thanks for the chat and dragging some stories out of me :pac:

    A short one re. the Spanish civil war.. There are stories of my great Aunt and the Spanish civil war ~ she used to be called a facist in the family. She's the grand daughter of my great grandfather but she's dead a long time now and the stories are a distant memory ~ but it seems on one side of the family we're always up for a row :P

    Oh, The Clash do a great song about the Spanish civil war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    @Makikomi

    Thank YOU.

    If the thread continues, you might come back with more history for us.

    We will see.

    Best of luck anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭The Royal Scam


    Big Nasty wrote: »
    One of my ancestors was a general in the American Civil War on the Yankee side.
    Great stuff which one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭roosky


    Lad who told me this was also abstaining. His impression was that if you didn't sign up there was no place in the group for him (us).


    My auld lad punched Joe Dolan in the longford arms hotel in 1982 when Joe made a move on the auld wan......and now im here posting on boards at 1 in the morning on a tuesday.....she should have left with joe 😂😂


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    That conflict fascinates me for lots of reasons.

    I spent a lot of time in the Imperial War Museum in London about it. The photographs... OMG.

    Could spend days there really for everything else too if you had the time!

    Unfortunately he never really received the recognition he deserved in our family or the wider community until recently when a plaque was erected in his home village.

    I often heard my late grandfather lament that he would have been better off picking potatoes in Scotland...

    Anyway his name was Thomas Patten, there's a little bit of info on Wikipedia about him if you want to have a look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Unfortunately he never really received the recognition he deserved in our family or the wider community until recently when a plaque was erected in his home village.

    I often heard my late grandfather lament that he would have been better off picking potatoes in Scotland...

    Anyway his name was Thomas Patten, there's a little bit of info on Wikipedia about him if you want to have a look.

    Thanks, I did just that. Fair dues to him, and may he rest in peace.

    From Dooega on Achill.

    I cannot imagine a place further from war in Spain than there.

    And we think we know everything at the touch of a button these days.

    Just goes to show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭discobeaker


    We have Afew historical stories in the family

    My great grandad fought in ww1

    My grandmother on my dads side met my grandad in a safe house for the IRA that her parents owned

    Some of my grandmothers cousins were fighting in the gpo during the rising

    My grandad on my mums side fought for the Canadian army in ww2 and fought in the dieppe raid which was apparently one of the worst battles during the war. He was a medic and met my granny after the war ended when he was working In a hospital in Toronto looking after the wounded and was renting a room in my grandmothers aunts b&b. They met the first day she arrived in Canada and were married within 6 months and were married for 65 years until grandad passed away 2 years ago aged 92.

    Also my granny (the one that married the Canadian) her mum (my great grandmother) changed her mind at the last moment after she arrived in Southampton and decided not to go on the titanic but her best friend did and sadly died.

    Think that's all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    On my mothers side, her dad was adopted so it's tough to find anything for him. It was also hard to find out things about her mothers family because she abandoned her when she was young BUT we did find out that my great great grandmother was mixed race (part African American). We also found some links to the Lee family....of General Robert E. Lee..which is pretty interesting considering the black lineage...I need to invest in some genealogy to get a clearer view.

    My dads side is less uneventful...same auld crap about ties to the IRA that pretty much everybody seems to have.

    Though my grand uncle (I think that's the name for it) fought in WW2. He spent a lot of time in Papa New Guinea!

    My great grandfather worked construction in San Francisco in the early 1900's. My grandmother found a receipt for a grave plot a couple of years ago, signed by my great grandfather. I did some investigating and found out that two young Irish men were buried in the plot. Both died in their early 20's. One from 'exhaustion and other mental issues' while in a mental institution. The state of California now keeps death records sealed even 100 years later so I couldn't find out anything else. I took a trip to San Francisco and visited the cemetery. They were buried in a paupers grave alongside many other young Irish men and other foreign nationals who died trying to work for a better life.

    Ironic twist...the cemetery is in one of the wealthiest areas of the city. They are buried in prime real estate!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭metaoblivia


    My many times back maternal great grandma and grandpa were Pilgrims, met onboard the Mayflower, fell in love and got married. Decades later one of their other descendants (and another distant relative of mine) named Henry Wadsworth Longfellow wrote a poem about it called "The Courtship of Miles Standish."

    During the American Revolution, one of my maternal great grandfathers ran messages for George Washington and later received a loan from good old George to purchase some land. Here's hoping he paid George back eventually!

    My mother's family history basically reads like a highlight (or lowlight) reel of American history: in addition to the above, there are pioneers who went out West in the covered wagons, slave holders in the South, abolitionists in the North. We're related to 5 American presidents. And my 3x great grandparents settled in Dodge City, Kansas in the late 1870s, where they lived alongside some gunslingers like Wyatt Earp and were present during the Dodge City War of 1883.

    Both my grandfathers fought in WWII in the Pacific. My maternal grandfather was lucky enough to be stationed in Hawaii after Pearl Harbor. My paternal grandfather was in the South Pacific and the Japanese torpedoed and sunk his ship. He was lost at sea for several days before being rescued.

    My father's side of the family is the ethnically Irish side. All of his great great grandparents came over in the late 1840s due to the famine and settled in New York City. They lived in Irish-American neighborhoods for generations, a lot like the Kennedys but without the wealth or rise to political power. :) However, my dad was adopted and as it turns out, he's not a shred Irish, biologically. His birth family was Portuguese and settled in Hawaii in the late 1800s to work in the sugarcane plantations. They still live there and we haven't figured out how a Portuguese baby whose parents were from Hawaii got into an Irish Catholic orphanage on the East coast. But in the meantime, Portuguese Hawaiians invented the ukulele.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭metaoblivia


    Oh and forgot one of the best stories:

    Another way back maternal grandfather was a member of a group who got fed up with the Puritans in the Massachusetts colony, left and founded the colony of Connecticut. They drafted up a constitution for the new colony, which was considered the first constitution in the New World. If you ever visit Hartford, the capital of Connecticut (no, I don't know why you would, but if you do), the land the capitol building now sits on was my family's land.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    My Grandad's brother was serving in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers when the Easter Rising kicked off.

    He wrote to my Great Grandmother about it and by all accounts it was a pretty horrific couple of days - the Shinnners, as he called them were shooting anything that moved - man, woman or child!

    He also had 'the pleasure of burying the rebel leaders Pearse and Connolly' after their executions by throwing them in a shallow pit and covering them in lime.

    The letter is the only written record in existence of the burying of any of the leaders. (However, when I was researching it further, it turns out he could have been making it all up!)

    He died in France the following year while serving in WW1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭pajor


    Good thread, some interesting stories.

    Don't have much from my own family. I know my Dad's grandad was in the British military (can't even remember what branch, army I think though) at some point. I have a hunch there's a story there somewhere but I haven't been told much.

    I will poach a story from my girlfriend's Dutch family though. My Gf's grandad was part of a sad but interesting part of history. He was a Dutch soldier at the beginning of WW2. Took part in the short, futile but brave resistance against the Germans in 1941. After capitulation he became a POW like the rest of the Dutch military. But about a year later all Dutch POWs were released as a show of good faith by their "Aryan brothers". However about 2 years later an order was issued by the Germans in NL that all ex Dutch servicemen had to report for labour in the Reich. Her grandad was then sent to Germany to work in a factory until the war ended, in pretty brutal conditions.

    While my Gf and her family were very curious to what happened to him during the war, he didn't tell them. He was very scarred by the experience in Germany. He only told his son (my Gf's Dad) and his wife what happened to him. My Gf's granny is now in a home with very bad Alzheimers, so unfortunately can't share anything. My Gf's Dad was an only child, so AFAIK he is the only person who knows his Dad's story. My Gf really wants her Dad to write down everything at some point, otherwise this bit of history will be lost. Apparently there are letters and other documents stored away somewhere about him, but have yet to be found.

    He died a good few years back but my Gf says he was always still a sweet grandad, so that's something.

    It's one thing I have never actually quite understood about the occupation of any Western European country. Why were only the Dutch military sent to Germany for labour? I've never heard of it happening in Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembourg or France.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭FURET


    Lots of recollections of grandfathers and great-grandfathers who fought 100 years ago.
    Imagine if you could ask them to recall stories of their own grandafthers and great-grandfathers. You could be hearing about Napoleonic battles and details of 1798. Ask that generation, and you might be hearing about the Williamite Wars and possibly even Cromwell.

    So much is lost and never recorded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    I'd love to hear more stories about mothers and grandmothers and great-grandmothers. Maybe the stories are not so dramatic, but are just as interesting.

    I could tell you a few things about my mother's mother, who was a torch singer in Pittsburgh nightclubs (when I was seven or so I found her old publicity stills in a folder in someplace I was exploring, and with childish disregard of social niceties, exclaimed, "Wow, Grandma, you used to be really pretty!", lol). I could tell you something about her mother, who was a celebrated Jewish poetess and lady of great sophistication and also a singer; I'm sad that I can read none of her poems because I don't speak the language or read the Hebrew script in which they are written.

    I'm only now finding out things about my genealogy I never knew before, due to a relative who started making the family her hobby a couple of years ago. I look forward to finding out more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    FURET wrote: »
    Lots of recollections of grandfathers and great-grandfathers who fought 100 years ago.
    Imagine if you could ask them to recall stories of their own grandafthers and great-grandfathers. You could be hearing about Napoleonic battles and details of 1798. Ask that generation, and you might be hearing about the Williamite Wars and possibly even Cromwell.

    So much is lost and never recorded.

    For previous work I've interviewed 'old soldiers' - it is very difficult to get them to talk. I remember one guy who I was writing a profile on (he'd won a community award) and I knew from his family he'd seen service in WW2 - anyway using the bit of info they gave me I started doing some digging to have some background to discuss with him. It turned out he had been evacuated from Dunkirk, fought with the LRDG in the desert, then in Italy - seeing some pretty serious action. His family never knew the exact details of his service (or the background to his DSO) and he became pretty upset when I produced my research (much to my puzzlement) - not being in the habit of upsetting pensioners, I agreed to leave out the detail in the final article and left his astounded family to digest the details!!

    Another guy's family thought their grandfather had something to do with getting the post to soldiers because he'd mentioned being involved (again WW2) with something called the 'Special Air Service' before going on to work as a rural postie after the war - it was only after the Iranian Embassy siege that they realised that the quiet man in the corner who liked nothing better than an afternoon pint while watching the horse racing had been a bit more than a postman before he became an actual postman!!


  • Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My (English) granny was in the Women's Royal Naval Service during World War 2. She was a wireless telegraphist and had to decrypt codes. What she did was kept a secret till the early 90's. She has lots of medals. I really must ask her more about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,220 ✭✭✭maximoose


    My great-uncle was the 8th person to walk on the moon.

    When we were kids we were always told he was disgraced from NASA for selling moon dust to the Russians when he got back, which is a lot more interesting than the truth (he and the other crew members sold off some special edition stamps)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    maximoose wrote: »
    My great-uncle was the 8th person to walk

    Okay, how many people just googled 8th person to walk on the moon?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭PMBC


    PLL wrote: »
    Details of this are hazy as it is my oh's grandmother. She is Dutch and lived through the war, took Jews in and there is some stories that she walked a long way to get food (I think) for her family. Lovely lovely woman. Many times she has been asked to write about it all, she is 88 now. She doesn't like talking about it, but apprently there are lots of stories. Not something I would dig for more info about but would be fascinating to hear all the same. My daughter's are an 1/8 Dutch, which will be a lovely heritage for them to research.

    Maybe you could record her talking about it/telling the stories?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    One of my relatives was "an Irish politician and guerrilla leader".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭indioblack


    Jawgap wrote: »
    For previous work I've interviewed 'old soldiers' - it is very difficult to get them to talk. I remember one guy who I was writing a profile on (he'd won a community award) and I knew from his family he'd seen service in WW2 - anyway using the bit of info they gave me I started doing some digging to have some background to discuss with him. It turned out he had been evacuated from Dunkirk, fought with the LRDG in the desert, then in Italy - seeing some pretty serious action. His family never knew the exact details of his service (or the background to his DSO) and he became pretty upset when I produced my research (much to my puzzlement) - not being in the habit of upsetting pensioners, I agreed to leave out the detail in the final article and left his astounded family to digest the details!!

    Another guy's family thought their grandfather had something to do with getting the post to soldiers because he'd mentioned being involved (again WW2) with something called the 'Special Air Service' before going on to work as a rural postie after the war - it was only after the Iranian Embassy siege that they realised that the quiet man in the corner who liked nothing better than an afternoon pint while watching the horse racing had been a bit more than a postman before he became an actual postman!!
    Most, as you say, don't talk about their experiences.
    My first employer was a plumber who'd been at Arnhem. I was young and naive and thought it was wonderful. He gave me what they used to call an Old Look[!] and said, "Lad, when we got over the drop zone we stood up to jump," [you know the scene from A Bridge Too Far with the paratroopers jumping from the Dakotas], and the line snagged. The aircraft were forbidden to turn back into the stream of planes over the drop zone, so we flew back to England on the return route. I wasn't upset - if I'd jumped I'd probably not be here today!
    On a lighter note, when I was about 7years old a friend of my fathers gave me a spent 303 bullet and told me he'd shot 14 Germans with it - I think he was fibbing!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭indioblack


    This thread is making me remember stuff.
    When I was young, [why do so many things happen when you're young?], I knew this old man at church. Kind, gentle, courteous - someone from a different era. I only knew him for a year and then he died. After his death I discovered he'd served on the western front in WW1 - and had gone "over the top" - apparently with a revolver in one hand and a copy of Homer in the other.


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