Explosions and gunfire at Istanbul airport

conorhal wrote: »

And more to the point, they couldn't control large swaiths of a country without the tacit support of a significant portion of the population.

To be fair, the penalties for non compliance were brutal.

The British police are asking for extra powers due to the rise in hate crimes since brexit was voted in. Muslims are the target now the hard right feel validated. This could well get very nasty.

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Stop using the Jo Cox murder as a political football and leave her RIP. The person who did it has severe mental issues. Nobody condones what he did.

If you don't like people pointing out a double standard where you downplay or ignore certain types of terrorism but lose your mind consistently over another kind... Then do yourself a favour and stop downplaying or ignoring certain types of terrorism only to lose your mind over another. He was and is a terrorist, social marginalisation and mental issues or not - just like most Islamic terrorists.

Same goes for you, wakka. Please try harder in future when goading, but nice effort in avoiding telling us why you are so utterly, almost obsessively, disgusted and appalled by every Islamic terrorist attack, but really not all too bothered by other types of terrorist attacks, by the looks of things.

flas wrote: »

It just goes to show how much that part of the world was getting kept under serious pressure until the lads holding it altogether were taken out(saddam,Gadhafi et all),it was like a pressure cooker waiting to pop,and America and Britain's and the rest of Europe's interest led to all this!this will be thought in schools Like the start of ww1 and ww2 in 100 years time!

I've been saying for a long time that we are on about chapter 13 of the history of ww3.

flas wrote: »

It just goes to show how much that part of the world was getting kept under serious pressure until the lads holding it altogether were taken out(saddam,Gadhafi et all),it was like a pressure cooker waiting to pop,and America and Britain's and the rest of Europe's interest led to all this!this will be thought in schools Like the start of ww1 and ww2 in 100 years time!

If we were reading a history of ww3 we would be on about chapter 13. Another couple of years before we get to major hostilities but it's getting closer.

story_teller wrote: »

how come there is no collective responsibility for muslims when it comes to attacks by IS yet apparently the west are a legitimate target due to what the usa , uk , france , does in the mid east

the reason many believe muslims need to be more vocal in condemning the likes of IS is muslims appear to have an inherent connection with other muslims no matter what part of the world they reside , we hear all the time that muslims in bradford are upset due to what is happening in pallestine , syria , iraq , afghanistan , when was the last time christians were said to be upset ( and feeling murderous ) due to what happened to christians living thousands of miles away

muslims very often claim to have extremely close kinship and see themselves as bound through faith , this in itself suggests a strongly collective mentality

Of course, the easy reverse to this is to ask how often you hear Christians in Ireland going out of their way to constantly condemn the Lords Resistance Army, The Army of God, The National Front of Tripura (believed by some to be financed by Christian fundamentalists in the US), and so on. I didn't see widespread condemnation of Tommy Mair from the 'leave' Brexit crowd either, because they were so busy trying to say he didn't represent them, write it off as mental health issues and nothing to do with their messaging, etc - as you hear from Muslims and Christians alike, too in similar situations. It's not the right thing to do, but it is a very human reaction to feel highly embarrassed to be associated with a terrorist or terrorists, and so people often try to avoid tackling the issue head on.

And that's where my issue lies - terrorism is awful, end of story. This attack was awful, as they all are. They all show huge issues in society that have not been addressed correctly, and they likely show a lot of exploitation of people with other underlying issues. Terrorism is terrorism, and it's awful and needs to be stopped. Unfortunately though, some people only want to focus on one type of terrorism and pretend the rest are not happening, and the media are very implicit in this too. Hence why the likes of the LRA were referred to as 'warlords' so often while maiming, displacing and murdering hundreds of thousands, when in fact they were Christian fundamentalist terrorists. What is interesting to me would be, how local media outlets across the middle east treat Islamic terrorists in this regard, and also how they depict attacks on the middle east compared to how our western media does.

It sucks, but newspapers/sites/TV & radio stations/etc are private entities whose #1 objective is to make profit - not to give both sides of the story or try and reach an understanding as to why something happened, as opposed to just reporting on what happened (especially with 24 hours news and social media, where it becomes a race to 'break' the story first).

Terrorism can't typically be beaten with airstrikes or bombs (though they can and do play important strategic roles, the 'head of the snake' analogy applies strongly here). It typically takes time and negotiation - the most radicalised often will not change their minds regardless (in my opinion because their focus is often almost exclusively is on power and not the ideology they are using to get that power), in which case the focus shifts on to younger generations. Pointing fingers and marginalising over 1bn people because of the actions of 00.005% of them will not do anything for those future generations but further ingrain them in that mindset, and is ultimately self defeating.

Calling for constant and widespread condemnation after every attack doesn't really achieve much in that sense, just like a "you're all terrorists or good as unless you apologise and condemn, and tell us all you know, and now!" mentality (not saying this is yours, but it is some peoples' on this thread as they have stated) directed towards Catholics in the north during the Troubles didn't do much to help there, either.