Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

Vojera · 28-06-2016 09:17AM

flazio wrote: »

Was there any significance to that stone ring we see Cersei wearing?

She has been wearing Joffrey's ring since he died. This is the first time (afaik) that we've ever seen her without it. Along with losing her Lannister colours I think it points towards Cersei discarding her past and moving forward into full-on crazytown.

28-06-2016 09:21AM

podgemonster wrote: »

Stop presuming that all scenes in each episode occur in chronological order and that each scene is happening at the same time as another scene in another storyline ends.

Let's say Arya's storyline up until ep 10 could have been played out in full in ep 2&3. Then the teleportation remark wouldn't exist. But the flow of the show has been altered and the themes of each episode would be compromised. Add into this using unnecessary screen time of Arya on a ship/Arya on a horse/Arya on the Kings Road. This to me is spoon feeding the viewers and would also ruin the surprise in Ep 10.

The show can't afford anymore to spend precious minutes showing how characters commute or let storylines grow stale because a character is in transit.

Yet we saw plenty of Arya/Hound/Pod/Breann/Tyrion/Bron/Jamie/Catelyn traveling around. While I agree we certainly shouldn't be seeing terribly boring traveling scenes, it isn't consistent.

The timeline in this episode was a mess. It most definitely should be occurring in chronological order. They messed up the order of Olena fleeing to Dorne with Jamie arriving back in KL while the place was still smouldering. It would have been far smoother to see Jamie arriving first then have Olena in Dorne.

PaddyWilliams · 28-06-2016 09:25AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

ok, I totally misunderstood that part. I was under the impression that she released them.

Was it not Tyrion who released them / took off their chains?

flazio · 28-06-2016 09:33AM

PaddyWilliams wrote: »

Was it not Tyrion who released them / took off their chains?

Tyrion took off the chains but they were still locked in that chamber. As seen last week they chose the battle of slavers bay to break through the stone wall and join their mother and Drogon.

secondrowgal · 28-06-2016 09:39AM

J. Marston wrote: »

Dany will want to end the Lannister line (with the exception of Tyrion, hopefully).

I don't think she has any plans to marry into it!

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Could Tyrion also be an option???

But Dany can't have any kids so the line would end anyway?

Enzokk · 28-06-2016 09:42AM

PaddyWilliams wrote: »

Was it not Tyrion who released them / took off their chains?

flazio wrote: »

Tyrion took off the chains but they were still locked in that chamber. As seen last week they chose the battle of slavers bay to break through the stone wall and join their mother and Drogon.

I think he released their chains because they weren't eating and he believed they would eat again if they were unchained.

I would guess the arrival of Drogon and the noise of the attack prompted them to free themselves of their confines. Seems as though it hasn't been explained yet if there is some mental link between the dragons, but logically there would be in this universe of magic.

Dickerty · 28-06-2016 09:48AM

southcentralts wrote: »

PressRun wrote: »

I think the circumstances around the dog's death were unjust though or something. Don't fully remember what happened but I think arya's dog attacked joffrey because he was acting the prick and the dog ran away before anything could happen to her, but cersei demanded that a dog had to be killed to make up for whatever happened to joffrey so they ended up killing sansa's dog instead.

I think the boy who she was playing with (wooden swords) was killed by the hound (earning him a place on her list too) after joffrey tried to fight him with a real sword when the dog attacked. Butcher's son maybe?

Deleted User wrote: »

Wow, what an episode. Cersei Lannister must have watched Aliens before planning that for her opponents.

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

"F*uckin' A!"

Dickerty · 28-06-2016 09:54AM

So next season, it's the Starks led by Jon with their allies against the White Walkers and the undead, and it's Dani, the Dothraki, Unsullied, some Greyjoys, Tyrells and Martells against the Lannisters and Frey's, what's left of them...

StringerBell · 28-06-2016 09:59AM

PressRun wrote: »

I meant with Sam Tarly. But I agree about Jon. I fully expect him to be there at the end, if not the outright "victor", if there can be such a thing in Game of Thrones.

Jon will not make it to the closing credits of the show, the hero never does in this world!

I foresee an ultimate sacrifice death for him, befitting his hero status

Edit: Unless Littlefinger gets him first of course

EagererBeaver · 28-06-2016 10:13AM

Enzokk wrote: »

logically there would be in this universe of magic.

Bit of an oxymoron there.

Cianos · 28-06-2016 10:17AM

One thing starting to bother me is the lack of self reflection Cersei has around her role in bringing about the downfall of her family. She lead and influenced Jeoffrey and accommodated his viciousness and later on she failed as a diplomat to foster any alliances with the Tyrells and other families - her persistent aggression ultimately brought about the death of all of her children, and it doesn't seem she once took a step back to consider what role she might have had in this. Now with her last child gone, the balance will never be there.

Penn · 28-06-2016 10:18AM

secondrowgal wrote: »

But Dany can't have any kids so the line would end anyway?

Why can't Dany have kids? I can't remember that being mentioned

Enzokk · 28-06-2016 10:20AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Bit of an oxymoron there.

If you accept the fighting dead, dragons, assassins changing faces and recovering from a stomach stab wound in a day, then it only makes sense to accept some sort of mental link between the dragons and even Daenerys.

EagererBeaver · 28-06-2016 10:32AM

Enzokk wrote: »

If you accept the fighting dead, dragons, assassins changing faces and recovering from a stomach stab wound in a day, then it only makes sense to accept some sort of mental link between the dragons and even Daenerys.

Accepting that it's perfectly possible, perhaps even likely, in no way makes it "logical"

podgemonster · 28-06-2016 10:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet we saw plenty of Arya/Hound/Pod/Breann/Tyrion/Bron/Jamie/Catelyn traveling around. While I agree we certainly shouldn't be seeing terribly boring traveling scenes, it isn't consistent.

The travelling around you are referring always feature more than one character and the purpose of those scenes is to develop these characters and their relationships with their travelling partner as opposed to "look at them they are travelling, this is consistent for the timelines"

Tyrion's trek to the Wall bonded him with Jon Snow
Tyrion's escort to the Eeyrie aligned him with Bronn
Tyrions kidnapping to Meereen allowed us to see how broken Jorah was.
Jaime and Brienne roadtrip in Season 3, covered the shift of Jaime arrogance to the humbler man you see today.
When Arya travels with the Hound, she witness the almost necessary cruelty of a broken battle worn land and how someone can be consumed by hate and is deeply affected by her time with him.
Brienne and Pod were on a search mission it was necessary to see them camping & scouting etc... They also added a comedic effect.

There is absolutely nothing to be gained in viewing The Queen of Thorns in transit by herself on the way to Dorne likewise Varys on a boat to Dorne/Meereen or Littlefinger sitting in a carriage twirling his moustache.

CMOTDibbler · 28-06-2016 10:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet we saw plenty of Arya/Hound/Pod/Breann/Tyrion/Bron/Jamie/Catelyn traveling around. While I agree we certainly shouldn't be seeing terribly boring traveling scenes, it isn't consistent.

The timeline in this episode was a mess. It most definitely should be occurring in chronological order. They messed up the order of Olena fleeing to Dorne with Jamie arriving back in KL while the place was still smouldering. It would have been far smoother to see Jamie arriving first then have Olena in Dorne.

Olenna left two (or three) episodes ago when Margaery told her to get out. Don't see a timeline issue with that tbh.

BoJack Horseman · 28-06-2016 10:39AM

Dickerty wrote: »

it's Dani, the Dothraki, Unsullied, some Greyjoys, Tyrells and Martells against the Lannisters and Frey's, what's left of them...

Not sure why they bothered with this matchup....

It's so overwhelmingly one sided.

EagererBeaver · 28-06-2016 10:45AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Not sure why they bothered with this matchup....

It's so overwhelmingly one sided.

It won't be so one sided if Euron manages to attack her armada and drown a bucketload of her dothraki.

secondrowgal · 28-06-2016 10:50AM

Penn wrote: »

Why can't Dany have kids? I can't remember that being mentioned

Didn't that come up in Season 1/2? Maybe I have it completely arseways!!

Wasn't there some prophecy about it?

CMOTDibbler · 28-06-2016 10:51AM

Finn Jones (Loras Tyrrell) on finding out he's dead

I got scripts 1 through 9 and read them all and thought, “Cool, cool, cool. This is good. I only got episode 10 to come.” I felt really positive, there’s only one more episode left! Then it was the evening before we got together for the table read and they were holding back the script for episode 10. And I was like, “Why didn’t I get episode 10 yet? That’s really weird. It’s 5 p.m. and we’re doing it tomorrow. Why haven’t I received it?” And just as I was saying that I get a call from [showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss]. And as I’m picking up, I’m staying positive, thinking, “Maybe they’re checking in to say ‘Hi.’” And they were just like [a long pause of dead silence….]. And I was like “Ahhhh, God no! I was so close to season 7!”

Edit: The day after he finished filming season 6, he got an email to audition for 'Marvel's Iron Fist'. He's now got the lead in it, so it all worked out in the end.

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2016 10:58AM

secondrowgal wrote: »

Didn't that come up in Season 1/2? Maybe I have it completely arseways!! Wasn't there some prophecy about it?

I remember when Khal Drogo was sick and Dani was pregnant that she came to some deal with the old woman to save drogos life and that resulted in her baby being deformed. she subsequently burned the old woman in drogos funeral pyre. i dont remember anything it affecting future babies though.

CMOTDibbler · 28-06-2016 11:00AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I remember when Khal Drogo was sick and Dani was pregnant that she came to some deal with the old woman to save drogos life and that resulted in her baby being deformed. she subsequently burned the old woman in drogos funeral pyre. i dont remember anything it affecting future babies though.

She said this about Drogo being in a vegetative state:

"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."

AlanG · 28-06-2016 11:03AM

golfball37 wrote: »

So much going on that what Benjen said is more significant possibly than anything else. The dead cannot pass the wall.

Surely this is major? Or maybe the walkers once south can zombify the newly deceased victims.

If winter is as bad as they say the sea may freeze - walk around it.

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2016 11:06AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

She said this about Drogo being in a vegetative state:

well that is pretty definitive

28-06-2016 11:09AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Not sure why they bothered with this matchup....

It's so overwhelmingly one sided.

Night's King, Winter, etc

CdeC · 28-06-2016 11:18AM

Wow, what an episode. All the slow pacing of the series was made up by the last 2 episodes.

What I love about the series was how they always leave you guessing.

I was probably most shocked at Margery Tyrells death.
They went through all that with the high sparrow and the prison, with her slipping the note to Olenna and then finally for the penny to drop in the Sept and for her to realize that she is in real danger and try and get out. It was very exciting and until the last moment I really believed she d get out.

The scene with Cersei and the Nun was absolutely horrifying,

I think Sansa is going to have to do something terrible next season for the greater good.

Not sure what Cersei is going to do now, she has a lot of enemies. But she has nothing left to lose and Tommens death shut down anything left that might resemble compassion.

I think the Melisandre character is really interesting and when Davos was telling her he d kill her if she returned you could see the look of disinterest on her face. She really believes the Lord of light has a plan.

Finally it seems like the ladies have really taken over the show here. I know feminists complain about a destructive world created by men called a patriarchy. Well if this is the alternative
F**k that!!!!!

Vojera · 28-06-2016 11:29AM

CdeC wrote: »

I think the Melisandre character is really interesting and when Davos was telling her he d kill her if she returned you could see the look of disinterest on her face. She really believes the Lord of light has a plan.

I hope we find out a lot more about her, how old she really is, etc.

She told Arya that they would meet again so I imagine we'll see them together soon.

AlanG · 28-06-2016 11:48AM

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Some people here seem to think that Jon Snow and Danerys will become allies or something because they are related but in the show, neither of them know that. Jon Snow doesn't even know he's a Targeryan. Danerys doesn't know the Jon Snow is her relation.

Bran doesn't know either as he most likely didn't hear who Lyanna was referring to when whispering in Ned's ear.

It's certainly known for us, viewers. But not the characters on the show.

Perhaps Sam will find some sort of record of the marriage of Jon's parents and all will become clear. if they were married then someone must have carried it out.

RoyalMarine · 28-06-2016 12:04PM

Laughed so much when he very calmly jumped out the window.

Priceless

CMOTDibbler · 28-06-2016 12:11PM

AlanG wrote: »

Perhaps Sam will find some sort of record of the marriage of Jon's parents and all will become clear. if they were married then someone must have carried it out.

Rhaegar Targaryen was already married to Elia Martell. Trying to avenge her and her children's deaths is what Oberyn Martell got his head squashed for. So I can't see how there could be a marriage record that would stand up.

Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - "Non book readers"

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