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Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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  • #2852
    coniosumadre
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭coniosumadre


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Fermanagh away is the only one of those that would cause Mayo even the slightest bit of trouble.

    Mayo should be cruising into the next round.

    If they don't then the rot has well and truly set in.
    Hello there. Have you been follow Mayo at all this year?


  • #2853
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    coniosumadre wrote: »
    Hello there. Have you been follow Mayo at all this year?

    Yes they a bad outing v Galway and a bad league.

    But they are still a legitimate top 4 team and an All Ireland cotender.

    If they lose to anyone in Round 2 then so be it they are done, but I don't expect it.

    If you do expect it them I assume you will be putting large amounts of money on their opponent first thing Monday morning.


  • #2854
    coniosumadre
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭coniosumadre


    "Yes they a bad outing v Galway and a bad league."

    Instead of phrasing it like this you could also say, they've been rubbish in every game they've played this year and the year is now half over.( actually the GAA year is 3/4 over)


    They'll struggle and grind out one or two point wins for a round or two i'd imagine, before limping out spineless like they did against Galway probably just before the quarter final stage. They've had enough wake up calls this year already but haven't responded to any in the slightest. A summer to re think is the best solution anyway. Lets hope we can get a manager with more than club experience to start with anyway, then new (u21) faces are needed. This team tried their best and we should all be grateful, But that time is long up.


  • #2855
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,431 ✭✭✭✭km79


    coniosumadre wrote: »
    "Yes they a bad outing v Galway and a bad league."

    Instead of phrasing it like this you could also say, they've been rubbish in every game they've played this year and the year is now half over.( actually the GAA year is 3/4 over)


    They'll struggle and grind out one or two point wins for a round or two i'd imagine, before limping out spineless like they did against Galway probably just before the quarter final stage. They've had enough wake up calls this year already but haven't responded to any in the slightest. A summer to re think is the best solution anyway. Lets hope we can get a manager with more than club experience to start with anyway, then new (u21) faces are needed. This team tried their best and we should all be grateful, But that time is long up.
    Hello there
    My season ticket attendance tells me I have been following mayo all year as does Fr Tod. I am in agreement with him. I won't give up on this team yet. Just to be clear you want another managerial change ? Any suggestions on who that should be based on available candidates with intercounty managerial experience ?
    Every single one of your posts in mayo forum have been negative . Enjoy this team they won't go on forever


  • #2856
    coniosumadre
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭coniosumadre


    km79 wrote: »
    coniosumadre wrote: »
    "Yes they a bad outing v Galway and a bad league."

    Instead of phrasing it like this you could also say, they've been rubbish in every game they've played this year and the year is now half over.( actually the GAA year is 3/4 over)


    They'll struggle and grind out one or two point wins for a round or two i'd imagine, before limping out spineless like they did against Galway probably just before the quarter final stage. They've had enough wake up calls this year already but haven't responded to any in the slightest. A summer to re think is the best solution anyway. Lets hope we can get a manager with more than club experience to start with anyway, then new (u21) faces are needed. This team tried their best and we should all be grateful, But that time is long up.
    Hello there
    My season ticket attendance tells me I have been following mayo all year as does Fr Tod. I am in agreement with him. I won't give up on this team yet. Just to be clear you want another managerial change ? Any suggestions on who that should be based on available candidates with intercounty managerial experience ?
    Every single one of your posts in mayo forum have been negative . Enjoy this team they won't go on forever
    The truth can be a hard thing to accept my friend, especially when we dont want to.


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  • #2857
    naughto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭naughto


    How's the gangland craic going for u theses days


  • #2858
    coniosumadre
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭coniosumadre


    naughto wrote: »
    How's the gangland craic going for u theses days
    HaHa... Nothing like a bit of Sunday stalking.. Don't you have a girlfriend?


  • #2859
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    coniosumadre wrote: »
    "Yes they a bad outing v Galway and a bad league."

    Instead of phrasing it like this you could also say, they've been rubbish in every game they've played this year and the year is now half over.( actually the GAA year is 3/4 over)


    They'll struggle and grind out one or two point wins for a round or two i'd imagine, before limping out spineless like they did against Galway probably just before the quarter final stage. They've had enough wake up calls this year already but haven't responded to any in the slightest. A summer to re think is the best solution anyway. Lets hope we can get a manager with more than club experience to start with anyway, then new (u21) faces are needed. This team tried their best and we should all be grateful, But that time is long up.

    A majority of, not all, players decided last year that they knew better than the managers.

    A new manager was appointed, with a player rep involved in the process.

    This year the players have to prove they were right.

    This year Rochford has a free pass, next year it's his team, whatever form it may take.

    Oh, and Horan was only a club manager when he took over, and a far less succeeone at national level than Rochford.


  • #2860
    seligehgit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    coniosumadre wrote: »
    "Yes they a bad outing v Galway and a bad league."

    Instead of phrasing it like this you could also say, they've been rubbish in every game they've played this year and the year is now half over.( actually the GAA year is 3/4 over)


    They'll struggle and grind out one or two point wins for a round or two i'd imagine, before limping out spineless like they did against Galway probably just before the quarter final stage. They've had enough wake up calls this year already but haven't responded to any in the slightest. A summer to re think is the best solution anyway. Lets hope we can get a manager with more than club experience to start with anyway, then new (u21) faces are needed. This team tried their best and we should all be grateful, But that time is long up.

    What's with all the negativity?Yes the form line is not particularly encouraging but one supports their county team through thick and thin.They have an opportunity to put things right.So we sack another manager?Give poor Stephen Rochford a break,he's only in the job a wet week and has very high expectations to fulfill and cut the lads a bit of slack,they are amateur players after all and they evidently don't get paid to take the amounts of unconstructive criticisms that are put forth.


  • #2861
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,431 ✭✭✭✭km79


    seligehgit wrote: »
    What's with all the negativity?Yes the form line is not particularly encouraging but one supports their county team through thick and thin.They have an opportunity to put things right.So we sack another manager?Give poor Stephen Rochford a break,he's only in the job a wet week and has very high expectations to fulfill and cut the lads a bit of slack,they are amateur players after all and they evidently don't get paid to take the amounts of unconstructive criticisms that are put forth.
    The same lads saying we are finished , "so and so" is useless and the manager is clueless will be mouthing about not being able to get a ticket when we meet the Dubs in August and for the final in September ;)


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  • #2862
    Oldtree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    coniosumadre wrote: »
    They'll struggle and grind out one or two point wins for a round or two i'd imagine,

    Your imagination runs away with you ;)

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  • #2863
    naughto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭naughto


    coniosumadre wrote: »
    HaHa... Nothing like a bit of Sunday stalking.. Don't you have a girlfriend?

    I have two


  • #2864
    Audioslaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    pure bollox with the talk give rochford a break/free pass, give players a break... Rochford needs to grow a pair and stop the rot. There is only one way to do this and put a certain few players on the bench and let them see the other side... stop the media whoring from certain players....bring in a few of the winners from the U21/other panel players and let them have a crack.

    There should be only one guy calling the shots and that is the manager.


  • #2865
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Audioslaven wrote: »
    pure bollox with the talk give rochford a break/free pass, give players a break... Rochford needs to grow a pair and stop the rot. There is only one way to do this and put a certain few players on the bench and let them see the other side... stop the media whoring from certain players....bring in a few of the winners from the U21/other panel players and let them have a crack.

    There should be only one guy calling the shots and that is the manager    .

    Unfortunately that may not be the case.
    Lots of catter about strife etc.

    If they fail in 2016 its on their own heads, not souch on the managers, he can start with a clean slate in 2017


  • #2866
    Audioslaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Unfortunately that may not be the case.
    Lots of catter about strife etc.

    If they fail in 2016 its on their own heads, not souch on the managers, he can start with a clean slate in 2017

    I disagree. What the players did is nothing to do with him. its should be about the present for Rochford. He should be nipping this now as the chances are the panel will be very similar next year. He can make an first impression and then nobody is under any illusion on what they will get from him now and for the period he is the manager. He is goosed if he lets it continue and his credibility is shot.

    Would Horan have let this happen... not in a million years.. he took one player and gave him a root out the door... that set the standard and no BS was accepted.


  • #2867
    washman3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Audioslaven wrote: »
    pure bollox with the talk give rochford a break/free pass, give players a break... Rochford needs to grow a pair and stop the rot. There is only one way to do this and put a certain few players on the bench and let them see the other side... stop the media whoring from certain players....bring in a few of the winners from the U21/other panel players and let them have a crack.

    There should be only one guy calling the shots and that is the manager.

    Top post. 100% correct.
    At least there are people in your county willing to take their heads out of the sand and admit that a rot exists. well said.


  • #2868
    seligehgit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    washman3 wrote: »
    Top post. 100% correct.
    At least there are people in your county willing to take their heads out of the sand and admit that a rot exists. well said.

    I'm not sure where you are getting the impression that Mayo supporters are in denial that all is not well in the camp?


    It is extremely disappointing the rumours of discontent in the camp.The agitators if the reason for the aggro are proven true need have it communicated to them in no uncertain terms who's in charge.They are underperforming as things stand.Star quality or not.If necessary a change of personnel should be considered.As mentioned there are I am sure members of the victorious under 21 team chomping at the bit to see some championship action.The management decisions must be respected.The players are in danger of giving an already disgruntled section of their support another stick to beat them with.

    I am certain nobody is giving Stephen Rochford a free pass ditto the players,they've a chance to redeem themselves,in Rochford's case reassert his authority.

    However I am aware as I keep saying Stephen Rochford is carrying out a thankless task for little reward.He has a family and friends,nice parents whom I've met at an FBD match who don't deserve same individual to be subjected to at times unconstructive criticism after a few months in the job by many of us so called expert keyboard warriors.I will reserve my judgement on his tenure until at least the end of the championship year,possibly even next year.He is bedding things in,hopefully refining his tactical nous.The same applies for our amateur players who are putting in the hours for little reward.Media seeking inclinations should be kept in check as they can be a distraction.However they would not be human,as lad(s) in their mid twenties with a high profile were'nt slightly affected by the expected attention.I am hopeful that Stephen Rochford will deal with this inclination.

    The nostalgia for the James Horan era is misplaced,James Horan was an excellent manager in many ways but was'nt faultless..there were tactical issues which contributed to our failure to win the ultimate prize.


  • #2869
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Audioslaven wrote: »
    I disagree. What the players did is nothing to do with him. its should be about the present for Rochford. He should be nipping this now as the chances are the panel will be very similar next year. He can make an first impression and then nobody is under any illusion on what they will get from him now and for the period he is the manager. He is goosed if he lets it continue and his credibility is shot.

    Would Horan have let this happen... not in a million years.. he took one player and gave him a root out the door... that set the standard and no BS was accepted.

    But the point the poster was making was that Rochford should not continue beyond his year.

    I disagree, he should be given a chance next year to get the house (back) in order.


  • #2870
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    washman3 wrote: »
    Top post. 100% correct.
    At least there are people in your county willing to take their heads out of the sand and admit that a rot exists. well said.

    Well looking at it as optimistic as I can I'm not giving up hope until the day they are knocked out.
    If that's head in the sand then so be it, I'd prefer to believe that the players have the hunger required to get back on track than not.

    I'd like to think Offaly/Longford/Limerick/Fermanagh are a stroll in the park for these guys.

    But as I have said before, its going to get harder with each round after that.


  • #2871
    PressRun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    seligehgit wrote: »
    The nostalgia for the James Horan era is misplaced,James Horan was an excellent manager in many ways but was'nt faultless..there were tactical issues which contributed to our failure to win the ultimate prize.

    This seems to be driving a lot of the recent criticism, in my experience. I even had someone tell me around the time of the Rochford appointment that the only manager they'd ever be happy with was Horan. I have a lot of respect for Horan and where he brought Mayo, but he made mistakes too (both during matches and behind the scenes) and in the end, he walked away of his own volition. Pining for him now is of no use to anyone and frankly, people need to just get over it.


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  • #2872
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    PressRun wrote: »
    This seems to be driving a lot of the recent criticism, in my experience. I even had someone tell me around the time of the Rochford appointment that the only manager they'd ever be happy with was Horan. I have a lot of respect for Horan and where he brought Mayo, but he made mistakes too (both during matches and behind the scenes) and in the end, he walked away of his own volition. Pining for him now is of no use to anyone and frankly, people need to just get over it.

    Yes, in the aftermath of the H&C ousting the story was that they all wanted Horanl back, and that H&C did not do things the way Hiran did.

    But Horan had no intention of coming back, maybe he will again in the future, but I don't think many of his original group from '11 to '14 will be around by the time he does.


  • #2873
    Audioslaven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    Look guys, I still think we have a great chance to redeem our season but hard decisions need to be taken. I am optimistic but we need to be realistic as well. I have heard the stories like everyone else and who knows they could be ****, but you cannot get away from what you see on the pitch.

    At the Galway game, i seen a bad attitude to playing as a team. I actually hate the hands on the air **** like our old friend "Micheal Jackson" used to do, when things don't go our way. There is no i in team ...there is no place for team selection dictation by players.

    Dublin would kick us out the gate at the moment and that is the standard that these guys should be aiming for if they want to deliver otherwise they will end up like all the rest that have gone before them.


  • #2874
    seligehgit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Mayo v Fermanagh at home,toughest probable opponents.


  • #2875
    cocoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭cocoman


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Mayo v Fermanagh at home,toughest probable opponents.

    At least it's at home.
    No harm to have a tough game.


  • #2876
    yop
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    cocoman wrote: »
    At least it's at home.
    No harm to have a tough game.

    I agree, lets see what we are made of now.

    When will that be lad, roughly?


  • #2877
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Mayo v Fermanagh at home,toughest probable opponents.

    Yea but still should be straight forward enough.

    Other draw is
    Donegal/Monaghan v Longford
    Kildare v Offaly
    Cork v Limerick.

    So you could imagine a round 3 v one of Donegal/Monaghan, Kildare or Cork.


  • #2878
    glack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭glack


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Mayo v Fermanagh at home,toughest probable opponents.

    I agree but I think that's a good thing. If we win we'll have earned it. If we loose we'll know we weren't good enough this year. They'll have had a few weeks to get their house in order. A reaction is needed!!


  • #2879
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    yop wrote: »
    I agree, lets see what we are made of now.

    When will that be lad, roughly?

    Saturday 9th


  • #2880
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    cocoman wrote: »
    At least it's at home.
    No harm to have a tough game.

    In all seriousness Fermanagh should not be tough for Mayo, if they are the game is up.


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  • #2881
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,431 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Home draw so happy with that !
    Will there be reserved seating in the stand :D:D


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