The Jobbridge Scandal

23-06-2016 08:33PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What's dreadful about it?
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I too have a mental health problem. So you can imagine my reaction when I came to this thread, read back to the first mention of JobPath and saw about Sheila and human rights abuses. Just great.

fin12 · 23-06-2016 08:34PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There is less employment activity in the Western region (Galway, Mayo and Roscommon), due to people and firms moving to urban areas, but there were 2,228 fewer people on the Live Register in May 2016 than 12 months previously.

Employment is falling, but so is unemployment. It's a sign of a changing economy, and not higher unemployment. Unemployment is still falling there.

You do realise that people who are on all these schemes are not counted in the live register. So just because there is a fall in the live register does not mean these people got jobs.

fin12 · 23-06-2016 08:35PM

There's a show about that crowd on channell 4 player, 4od.

23-06-2016 08:39PM

fin12 wrote: »

You do realise that people who are on all these schemes are not counted in the live register. So just because there is a fall in the live register does not mean these people got jobs.

Not with JobPath. They are on the live register, but may not sign as frequently, or the local office may suspend it.

But they will only come off the Live Register once placed in a job.

Also, as I said, employment is actually up by about 50,000 year-on-year... that's actual jobs. So you can't explain-away the fall in the live register by attributing it to schemes and emigration. There was an increase of 50,000 people in employment in twelve months.

Xenji · 23-06-2016 08:42PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Not with JobPath. They are on the live register, but may not sign as frequently, or the local office may suspend it.

But they will only come off the Live Register once placed in a job.

Also, as I said, employment is actually up by about 50,000 year-on-year... that's actual jobs. So you can't explain-away the fall in the live register by attributing it to schemes and emigration. There was an increase of 50,000 people in employment in twelve months.

You are deemed to be off the live register if you are on any job activation schemes including JobPath, JobBridge, CE, TUS ect.

The live register

The live register is, in short, a measure of those unemployed, looking for work, and registering for some kind of unemployment assistance.

It does not include anyone on a job activation scheme.

http://www.thejournal.ie/ge16-election-2016-ireland-fact-check-job-activation-unemployment-2601799-Feb2016/

23-06-2016 08:51PM

Xenji wrote: »

You are deemed to be off the live register if you are on any job activation schemes including JobPath, JobBridge, CE, TUS ect.

The Journal is, as usual, wrong.

The Department says that during JobPath, signing may be more infrequent, or may be temporarily suspended, depending on local arrangements.

https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/JobPath-Frequently-Asked-Questions-Jobseeker.aspx#5

That means that one is not removed from the register. If you're signing less frequently, you are still signing.

Internships and courses involve removal from the Register.

Not JobPath.

People should direct more time to seeking employment rather than criticising those who are providing their welfare, in my view.

Tasden · 23-06-2016 08:56PM

Xenji wrote: »

You are deemed to be off the live register if you are on any job activation schemes including JobPath, JobBridge, CE, TUS ect.

http://www.thejournal.ie/ge16-election-2016-ireland-fact-check-job-activation-unemployment-2601799-Feb2016/

Nope, jobpath are contracted by dsp to case manage those who are called for "activation" they are not one of the activation schemes. And they actually don't refer people onto all of the activation schemes as they are more concerned with full time jobs.

Sweetemotion · 23-06-2016 09:03PM

How anyone can defend these schemes, saddens me.

23-06-2016 09:06PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

How anyone can defend these schemes, saddens me.

They get you a job. The best anti-poverty device known to our society.

Leo Varadkar says they'll even go out and buy you a suit if it's needed. I think it's the most fantastic scheme I've heard about, and I have zero time for internships and placing people on dead-end courses.

This is not exploitation. It's getting real, paid jobs for the unemployed.

Xenji · 23-06-2016 09:08PM

Tasden wrote: »

Nope, jobpath are contracted by dsp to case manage those who are called for "activation" they are not one of the activation schemes. And they actually don't refer people onto all of the activation schemes as they are more concerned with full time jobs.

The DSP even refer to Jobpath as an activation scheme on its own site https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/JobPath.aspx

Tasden · 23-06-2016 09:10PM

Xenji wrote: »

The DSP even refer to Jobpath as an activation scheme on its own site https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/JobPath.aspx

It is an activation programme. It manages those who have been activated by dsp. It is not the same as employment schemes such as ce and jobbridge or tus.

23-06-2016 09:11PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

They get you a job. The best anti-poverty device known to our society.

Leo Varadkar says they'll even go out and buy you a suit if it's needed. I think it's the most fantastic scheme I've heard about, and I have zero time for internships and placing people on dead-end courses.

This is not exploitation. It's getting real, paid jobs for the unemployed.

Yeah a bunch of ex-sales people hungry for their commission are really well qualified to sort out any employment difficulties you might have. I bet they'll give me a warm welcome on Tuesday and be sensitive to my needs.

Tasden · 23-06-2016 09:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah a bunch of ex-sales people hungry for their commission are really well qualified to sort out any employment difficulties you might have. I bet they'll give me a warm welcome on Tuesday and be sensitive to my needs.

Well tbf it's never going to be a positive experience for you if you go in with that attitude from the get go.

23-06-2016 09:14PM

I'm going in with that attitude after reading about them here and their methods in the UK....what do you expect?

fin12 · 23-06-2016 09:14PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

They get you a job. The best anti-poverty device known to our society.

Leo Varadkar says they'll even go out and buy you a suit if it's needed. I think it's the most fantastic scheme I've heard about, and I have zero time for internships and placing people on dead-end courses.

This is not exploitation. It's getting real, paid jobs for the unemployed.

Have u been in job path or something ? What exactly is so fantastic about it, just because you get a job does not mean you will be better off financially or mentally.

Sweetemotion · 23-06-2016 09:14PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

They get you a job. The best anti-poverty device known to our society.

Leo Varadkar says they'll even go out and buy you a suit if it's needed. I think it's the most fantastic scheme I've heard about, and I have zero time for internships and placing people on dead-end courses.

This is not exploitation. It's getting real, paid jobs for the unemployed.

They pick on the vulnerable and weak off our society.

Not a hope in hell will they go after the real long term unemployed.

Jobsbridge getting reformed because of abuse and now you have a company known for human rights abuse win a tender for another scheme.

fin12 · 23-06-2016 09:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah a bunch of ex-sales people hungry for their commission are really well qualified to sort out any employment difficulties you might have. I bet they'll give me a warm welcome on Tuesday and be sensitive to my needs.

Exactly they will never take into consideration the mental needs of people in unemployment, bottom line for them get them a job at any cost.

23-06-2016 09:21PM

fin12 wrote: »

Exactly they will never take into consideration the mental needs of people in unemployment, bottom line for them get them a job at any cost.

If someone has psychological or psychiatric issues which prevent them from working, they can seek disability supports.

If you are happy to reveive jobseeker transfers, then by implication, you are available for work. These people will help find you work.

I cannot think of any legitimate reason for a legitimate jobseeker, especially one who is long-term, to oppose an offer of work... even whilst they look for a better job.

Surely it's better than doing nothing?

Tasden · 23-06-2016 09:25PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If someone has psychological or psychiatric issues which prevent them from working, they can seek disability supports.

If you are happy to reveive jobseeker transfers, then by implication, you are available for work. These people will help find you work.

I cannot think of any legitimate reason for a legitimate jobseeker, especially one who is long-term, to oppose an offer of work... even whilst they look for a better job.

Surely it's better than doing nothing?

The job needs to be financially beneficial though and when you consider rent supplement being cut and the cost of rent nowadays, it is not always financially feasible to take up work. There is also the risk of getting trapped in a job you hate.

23-06-2016 09:25PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If someone has psychological or psychiatric issues which prevent them from working, they can seek disability supports.

I don't want disability. I'd prefer some support and help to get a good job that will improve my health while contributing to society. In my experience there's two chances of that happening in this country though.

rgossip30 · 25-06-2016 01:20PM

They ask you a lot of questions every 2 months and compare the result to see how truthful you are .
You are shown a graph . I have Vertigo and another tutor said do not say that on a job application form .
I started in March and still have not even made an application for a job yet .
They seem to be just filling in time with those who are old I am 60 .

livedadream · 27-06-2016 09:47AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I cannot think of any legitimate reason for a legitimate jobseeker, especially one who is long-term, to oppose an offer of work... even whilst they look for a better job.

Surely it's better than doing nothing?

this is the fundamental difference between the 2-3% of long term unemployed who will never work and the rest of the world...

5% unemployment is considered full employment in Ireland if 2% of those people are physically or mentally incapable of employment then the rest of that percentage are the ones that will chose to never work. (im guessing the percentage breakdown here in terms of never gunna work and differently abled or disabled people but the 5% is right if anyone knows the split between people who choose not to work and who cants work id actually love to know)

people who work because its a social construct of contributing to society and not expecting handouts 'because i'm entitled to it' are the people who will always work unless something happens to them.

You and I were raised to work and put the effort in and do something with out time, not everyone was. not everyones parents give them the kick up the ass in school to get an education or to bring home some money to pay their own way, some people unfortunately some people parents raise them to get the most they can from the system and teach them a sense of entitlement from the system you and i pay into.

to people who will never work, getting the dole and doing nothing is better than working, some people are perfectly happy with their social housing, a few bob on the dole and just existing.

Kirby · 27-06-2016 05:01PM

livedadream wrote: »

this is the fundamental difference between the 2-3% of long term unemployed who will never work and the rest of the world...

5% unemployment is considered full employment in Ireland if 2% of those people are physically or mentally incapable of employment then the rest of that percentage are the ones that will chose to never work. (im guessing the percentage breakdown here in terms of never gunna work and differently abled or disabled people but the 5% is right if anyone knows the split between people who choose not to work and who cants work id actually love to know)

people who work because its a social construct of contributing to society and not expecting handouts 'because i'm entitled to it' are the people who will always work unless something happens to them.

You and I were raised to work and put the effort in and do something with out time, not everyone was. not everyones parents give them the kick up the ass in school to get an education or to bring home some money to pay their own way, some people unfortunately some people parents raise them to get the most they can from the system and teach them a sense of entitlement from the system you and i pay into.

to people who will never work, getting the dole and doing nothing is better than working, some people are perfectly happy with their social housing, a few bob on the dole and just existing.

We are all just existing. about 0.1% of us make a noticeable contribution to mankind. The rest of just take up space. Don't kid yourself. You aren't a special snowflake. Having a job doesn't change that.

livedadream · 27-06-2016 07:46PM

Kirby wrote: »

You aren't a special snowflake.

yeah i am.

The Raptor · 27-06-2016 08:16PM

Can someone tell me how payments work?

I received a letter today saying i was overpayed on my jobseekers allowance.

I started jobbridge over a year ago. I got my first payment of €250 the week after i started. I presume this includes a day before my jobbridge and it was the end of the jobseekers allowance.

I finished jobbridge on the 15th of January and was taken on after. I started my job on the 18th of January. I signed off online.

I received one final payment of €214 on Thursday 21 of January. Should this not have been for the previous week on jobbridge?

I remember thinking i was a bit short but i wasn't going to bother as i was glad to see the back of them (social welfare).

I received a letter today saying i was overpayed for the days 18th and 19th of January.

But, i don't see how as my final payment was 214 which should have been for the previous week on jobbridge.

I have i got the right thinking? If that's the case don't they still owe me €24 and a jobseekers payment for the Saturday and Sunday after I finished jobbridge and before I started work.

scamalert · 27-06-2016 09:18PM

You finished on 15th last payment on 21st since wf is paid on weekly basis not week behind,thus they might actually overpaid you since would seem you were done with JB scheme and should rcvd under 188e as last payment,then again dont see anything you done wrong since difference is like 3 days that assuming they still paid you with job bridge rate,so that would be where they made mistake.So would cover them 2 days if they ask so.

The Raptor · 28-06-2016 05:08PM

scamalert wrote: »

You finished on 15th last payment on 21st since wf is paid on weekly basis not week behind,thus they might actually overpaid you since would seem you were done with JB scheme and should rcvd under 188e as last payment,then again dont see anything you done wrong since difference is like 3 days that assuming they still paid you with job bridge rate,so that would be where they made mistake.So would cover them 2 days if they ask so.

I was finished the JB scheme but i didn't get the €50 the first week i started. I got it the second week.

So i should have received the €50 in that last payment.

So if i was to take away the 50 from my last payment, i was given 164 since finishing the jobbridge. Is that correct? Or am I wrong?

starlit · 06-07-2016 12:36PM

fin12 wrote: »

I worked in the Department of Social Welfare and they are very odd and suspicious around people doing Voluntary work, you are better off not mentioning voluntary work if you are doing it.

Why is that? You don't get paid doing voluntary work? It should only affect you unless you getting more than 120e a week from paid employment and notify SW department. They can be sticklers for that sort of thing alright.

livedadream · 06-07-2016 12:40PM

doovdela wrote: »

Why is that? You don't get paid doing voluntary work? It should only affect you unless you getting more than 120e a week from paid employment and notify SW department. They can be sticklers for that sort of thing alright.

why wouldn't they be? if you can do voluntary work you can do paid work...

so why not get paid for it and come off welfare?

from my experience people on welfare doing voluntary work frequently have worked out they are better off financially on the dole.

Tasden · 06-07-2016 01:33PM

doovdela wrote: »

Why is that? You don't get paid doing voluntary work? It should only affect you unless you getting more than 120e a week from paid employment and notify SW department. They can be sticklers for that sort of thing alright.

You're spending time working (albeit in a voluntary capacity) and so are not available for full time work. You may also not be genuinely seeking work if you are committed to the organisation you're volunteering with. It also means you're doing work that the organisation could be paying somebody to do (in theory). Plenty of reasons why they don't want people doing it, they have certain rules about it being a registered charity and it not displacing paid employees etc.

The Jobbridge Scandal

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