Michael Jackson. All the rumours were true...

Sheeps · 23-06-2016 05:16PM

His pornography collection was presented as evidence at his trial, and there was nothing illegal. Calling bull**** on this.

ceadaoin. · 23-06-2016 05:18PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I wouldn't necessarily say 'artistic' pictures of nude children have anything to do with sexual gratification. Maybe it has something to do with his childhood and how he sees these children as having more freedom than he did or something.

Also have you ever seen the covers of Led Zeppelins Houses Of The Holy or Blind Faiths album?

The books he had are well known as "child erotica" (ugh) apparently and according to the investigating officer are often found in the homes of paedophiles. The images in them really aren't that innocent at all. The two authors/photographers of these books are convicted paedophiles and had links to NAMBLA.

http://www.mjfacts.com/items-found-in-1993-pedophile-books-and-naked-photos/

23-06-2016 05:22PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

http://www.mjfacts.com/items-found-in-1993-pedophile-books-and-naked-photos/

Lol?!

MJFacts?

You might as well use jihadwatch.org as an authoritative source on Islam.

smash · 23-06-2016 05:25PM

Sheeps wrote: »

His pornography collection was presented as evidence at his trial, and there was nothing illegal. Calling bull**** on this.

Herein lies the problem with it being 'art'. I remember a discussion a few years back on the photography forum about this kind of thing because there's nude photos of Brooke Sheilds when she was 14 and it's such a grey area. I mean, at what point can a collection of art of nude children be reclassified?

Sleepy · 23-06-2016 05:26PM

Dolbert wrote: »

I was a bit on the fence until I heard about the Terry George thing. Michael Jackson fans claim it's a lie but when George talks about it he seems embarrassed, downplaying it even. Jacko's always been into young boys

Interesting article from the same site: http://www.mjfacts.com/mikey-you-let-me-down/

An analysis of his porn collection. Not a fun read and certainly supports the case that he was a paedophile.

23-06-2016 05:26PM

All the damning evidence is right here in this documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Gy-nhmO-M

ceadaoin. · 23-06-2016 05:28PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

NAMBLA was a made-up organisation invented by the satire show The Daily Show in order to mock politicians. Check your sources.

What are you talking about? It's not a made up organisation and did/does exist.

syklops · 23-06-2016 05:28PM

Sleepy wrote: »

Interesting article from the same site: http://www.mjfacts.com/mikey-you-let-me-down/

An analysis of his porn collection. Not a fun read and certainly supports the case that he was a paedophile.

Im going to take anything from a site called "mjfacts" with a lethal dose of salt.

Raging_Ninja · 23-06-2016 05:33PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

What are you talking about? It's not a made up organisation and did/does exist.

You're right, my mistake, was thinking of something else.

twill · 23-06-2016 05:36PM

Can't post links, but google Maureen Orth's Vanity Fair article 'Neverland's Lost Boys' for some grim reading about the treatment of those who made allegations.

smash · 23-06-2016 05:37PM

twill wrote: »

Can't post links, but google Maureen Orth's Vanity Fair article 'Neverland's Lost Boys' for some grim reading.

Copy and paste the important bits.

syklops · 23-06-2016 05:42PM

Ah Vanity Fair. Another bastion of hard hitting journalism.

ScumLord · 23-06-2016 05:45PM

smash wrote: »

Herein lies the problem with it being 'art'. I remember a discussion a few years back on the photography forum about this kind of thing because there's nude photos of Brooke Sheilds when she was 14 and it's such a grey area. I mean, at what point can a collection of art of nude children be reclassified?

Nude photos are one thing, paintings could be viewed as something else. Art did have plenty of naked children in it throughout the centuries. If there's books on artistic study of nudes for men and women I'd be surprised if there isn't something along the same lines for children. It wouldn't have been a big deal in the past and unless they were to completely ignore children exist, the books could well be practical art books. Of course that doesn't mean Jackson didn't use them as pornography.

smash · 23-06-2016 05:53PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Nude photos are one thing, paintings could be viewed as something else. Art did have plenty of naked children in it throughout the centuries. If there's books on artistic study of nudes for men and women I'd be surprised if there isn't something along the same lines for children. It wouldn't have been a big deal in the past and unless they were to completely ignore children exist, the books could well be practical art books. Of course that doesn't mean Jackson didn't use them as pornography.

His books consisted of photography and manipulated imagery. Both in 'artistic' form and supposedly just photographs of children participating in naturism and nudism.

twill · 23-06-2016 05:54PM

Sorry, on a mobile device, can't really cut and paste easily.

syklops wrote: »

Ah Vanity Fair. Another bastion of hard hitting journalism.

Maureen Orth is a respected journalist who has also written about the allegations against Woody Allen - another maligned artiste, no doubt.

B.A._Baracus · 23-06-2016 06:34PM

Not really shocking to hear anything about Michael Jackson and the whole kids thing.

I know a lot of people hate that expression 'when there's smoke... There's fire' but there was just too much against him over the years for it to be not true.

23-06-2016 06:51PM

MJ was a very damaged man who lived in a world removed from the reality the rest of us know. I don't know that he was a pedophile, but it seems to look that way. While all this stuff, when added up, looks very suspect, it doesn't amount to definitive evidence. There's also the issue that this material is seen through the lens of suspicion and not in isolation.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

His "daughter" won't believe a word of it though, and has said as much.

Whether he's her biological father or her adoptive father, she is his daughter. Not his "daughter".

Tasden · 23-06-2016 07:01PM

Candie wrote: »

Whether he's her biological father or her adoptive father, she is his daughter. Not his "daughter".

Exactly. And god forbid a young girl doesn't want to believe that her late father was a paedophile. Don't see why they felt the need to bring her into it tbh.

harry Bailey esq · 23-06-2016 08:07PM

He gave MCCAULEY kulkin,of home alone fame wine and called it jesus juice... Maybe he was safer actually staying alone at home...

RDM_83 again · 23-06-2016 08:22PM

syklops wrote: »

Ah Vanity Fair. Another bastion of hard hitting journalism.

Believe it or not they actually are pretty good, never bought the magazine itself but the articles they have carried on private military security contractors like dyncorp are quality pieces of work.

ToddyDoody · 23-06-2016 08:53PM

Watched a very personal documentary which featured his mother quite prominantly. This doesn't prove innocence but my god how it loads it, as she did speak at length about the allegations.

RobbingBandit · 23-06-2016 10:47PM

I'm starting with the man in the mirror, I'm asking him to change his ways, no message could have been any clearer...

No more glaringly a confession has been uttered since Bob Marley stated I shot the sherif but I did not shoot the deputy.

Sleepy · 24-06-2016 02:52PM

syklops wrote: »

Im going to take anything from a site called "mjfacts" with a lethal dose of salt.

The article is badly written but it references the court documents as the source of the collection it reviews. That collection can't be interpreted in too many ways. Of course it's possible that he never actually molested any children but he certainly seems to have been a paedophile and that he behaved inappropriately with young boys would appear to be beyond question.

unseenfootage · 24-06-2016 03:29PM

Sleepy wrote: »

The article is badly written but it references the court documents as the source of the collection it reviews. That collection can't be interpreted in too many ways. Of course it's possible that he never actually molested any children but he certainly seems to have been a paedophile and that he behaved inappropriately with young boys would appear to be beyond question.

You can have your suspicions but of not proven in a court of law, they remain just that: suspicions.

anitaca · 24-06-2016 04:10PM

1 person on another forum said mj didn't know where most of the "art" came from.

it could be true though. mj said himself (paraphrasing) that fans send him stuff all the time they know he likes. they knew he liked children.

smash · 24-06-2016 04:17PM

anitaca wrote: »

1 person on another forum said mj didn't know where most of the "art" came from.

it could be true though. mj said himself (paraphrasing) that fans send him stuff all the time they know he likes. they knew he liked children.

"I don't know where that art came from that I stored in the triple locked little room off the master bedroom"

Sounds legit.

Dolbert · 24-06-2016 04:22PM

anitaca wrote: »

1 person on another forum said mj didn't know where most of the "art" came from.

it could be true though. mj said himself (paraphrasing) that fans send him stuff all the time they know he likes. they knew he liked children.

"He likes children. He'll definitely like these picture books of semi-nude children then, think I'll send them on."

Mmmmkay then.

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-06-2016 04:25PM

was bubbles the monkey ever found?

ScumLord · 24-06-2016 04:30PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

was bubbles the monkey ever found?

Bubbles went to a chimpanzee reserve once he started to mature. Baby chimps are cute, adult male chimps are stronger than humans and they know it, they simply won't do the whole pet thing.

Sleepy · 24-06-2016 04:36PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

You can have your suspicions but of not proven in a court of law, they remain just that: suspicions.

I suppose you only have suspicions that Hitler was a war criminal so? You know, since he was never tried in a court of law and all?

It beggars belief that people are still trying to make excuses for Michael Jackson's behaviour tbh. The guy was amazingly talented, there's no argument about that. But there can't really be any argument that he had paedophilic tendencies at this stage.

Michael Jackson. All the rumours were true...

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