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Michael Jackson. All the rumours were true...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭ClashCityRocker


    ziggy wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    When he died he was booked in for fifty sold out shows in London's O2


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭Barry Badrinath


    Wait, wait, fcuking WAIT!!!

    Michael Jackson is dead?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    McGruber wrote: »
    Wait, wait, fcuking WAIT!!!

    Michael Jackson is dead?!
    That's the official story, I think we collected enough childs blood to shed he's old skin and be reborn the lord of darkness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Jackson worshipped childhood. Cultishly. Weirdly. It doesn't make him a paedophile.
    Sleepy wrote: »
    TBH, it would seem perfectly obvious to me that he was a paedophile but one that was careful enough not to have any illegal materials in his possession and to pay off any child making public accusations.

    Isn't that what every sane person has believed for the past decade?

    There's the two main thoughts on the subject of Michael Jackson there. And really, we don't know which it was.

    My personal take on it is that Jackson was severely mentally damaged by his childhood - or lack of childhood really - and was indeed obsessed with childhood and children, but whether or not it was sexual is a question that's unresolved.

    I am personally Dubious about the moral wotsits of allowing naked photos of children out and about, particularly once they're old enough to be identifiable (a baby is a baby is a baby, they all look pretty much like tiny Winston Churchills, and within even a few months, only the parents would know which pictures were their sprog). I don't think there's anything specifically "dirty" about naked pictures, so long as they're not zoomed in on the genitals, but kids aren't old enough to have informed consent about it all.Not to mention once it's published or at the least on the internet, that's about it, it can't be undone. And there -is- always the possibility of the one paedophile out of a thousand people who see the picture getting their hands on it, and the possibility of the one in a thousand child molesters out of that thousand paedophiles fixiating on it and trying to find the child.

    The chances are low, but I don't agree with putting the photos out there for some point the parents want to make. They can put naked photos of themselves out there if they want to normalise nudity, not other people.

    Edit: I realise my position on babies vs children is hypocritical on the reasons I've specifically given. Maybe it's just that naked babies are more normalised already, although even those tend to avoid the genitalia.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    When I asked "Why? Why?" He replied it was just his human nature.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    I wouldn't necessarily say 'artistic' pictures of nude children have anything to do with sexual gratification. Maybe it has something to do with his childhood and how he sees these children as having more freedom than he did or something.

    Also have you ever seen the covers of Led Zeppelins Houses Of The Holy or Blind Faiths album?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I wouldn't necessarily say 'artistic' pictures of nude children have anything to do with sexual gratification.
    And what about the nudist and naturist images that were recovered?
    Maybe it has something to do with his childhood and how he sees these children as having more freedom than he did or something.
    I think you're looking for an excuse here.
    Also have you ever seen the covers of Led Zeppelins Houses Of The Holy or Blind Faiths album?
    Or Nirvana's Nevermind? I wouldn't consider them pornography, I don't think anyone would. But someone collected stuff like this and the reasons were nothing to do with music then is it normal?


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    smash wrote: »
    Or Nirvana's Nevermind? I wouldn't consider them pornography, I don't think anyone would. But someone collected stuff like this and the reasons were nothing to do with music then is it normal?
    I don't think anyone is gonna try and claim that he was normal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I don't think anyone is gonna try and claim that he was normal.

    There does seem to be a campaign to downplay the content found in his home though.


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    smash wrote: »
    There does seem to be a campaign to downplay the content found in his home though.
    Also a campaign to upplay (am I coining that?) the content found in his home.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    This is ignorant


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Also a campaign to upplay (am I coining that?) the content found in his home.

    Maybe somewhere in the middle we'll find the truth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    I'd give this story a lot more credence if it didn't come from somewhere that had as much journalistic integrity as TMZ. And Buzzfeed.

    Jackson was a damaged individual, but I don't think he was dangerous. Or a child molester.

    He was bad.
    but not dangerous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I said it before and was shouted down on this forum, you don't pay someone $20 million in hush money if you're innocent, if it was me that was accused I would spend every penny proving my innocence.

    As for what was found, S&M stuff while weird is a fetish some are into but pics of kids shows exactly the kind of twisted individual he was.

    His "daughter" won't believe a word of it though, and has said as much.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Dolbert


    I was a bit on the fence until I heard about the Terry George thing. Michael Jackson fans claim it's a lie but when George talks about it he seems embarrassed, downplaying it even. Jacko's always been into young boys :/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Jack Killian


    RobertKK wrote: »
    He always told us he was bad.

    He also said it didn't matter if you were black or white, so it's a bit of a grey area....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    I believe MJ was the subject of a modern day witch hunt. Single man? Not married? Prefers the company of kids and animals to adults? In the public eye? Minted?


    Release the hounds.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I said it before and was shouted down on this forum, you don't pay someone $20 million in hush money if you're innocent
    Court documents indicate that Michael Jackson didn't consent to that payment. It was paid by an insurance firm. The insurance firm was under no obligation to consult with Michael Jackson, and they did not.

    Two grand juries refused to indict Jackson on those charges. The father of that boy had serious issues himself. He tried to kill his son in 2005 - the same son whom he accused MJ of abusing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Court documents indicate that Michael Jackson didn't consent to that payment. It was paid by an insurance firm. The insurance firm was under no obligation to consult with Michael Jackson, and they did not.

    Two grand juries refused to indict Jackson on those charges. The father of that boy had serious issues himself. He tried to kill his son in 2005 - the same son whom he accused MJ of abusing.

    Believe what you want.

    You don't buy a kids silence if you've nothing to hide and going by the information that's coming out now it seems there was indeed a lot to cover up.

    After Savilles death people at first refused to believe the stories and look how that turned out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    You don't buy a kids silence if you've nothing to hide.

    You don't accept a bribe if a man has abused your Son/Daughter. That is, of course, unless your primary motivation was money in the first place rather than justice.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    You don't accept a bribe if a man has abused your Son/Daughter. That is, of course, unless your primary motivation was money in the first place rather than justice.

    Read the thread.

    See what was found and tell me you 100% believe he was innocent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Read the thread.

    I have.

    If your child was abused by a man would you accept a bribe to go away?

    Simple question.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Believe what you want.

    You don't buy a kids silence if you've nothing to hide
    But he didn't. An insurance firm acting for a record company negotiated and paid the money.

    Days before the boy's father supposedly discovered the allegations from his son, he was secretly recorded admitting to being excited about "winning big time" and "getting everything I want" from Jackson. At this stage, the allegations hadn't even arisen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I have.

    If your child was abused by a man would you accept a bribe to go away?

    Simple question.

    I wouldn't.

    But just because they took the money doesn't mean nothing happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭mikeym


    I dont trust content from Fox OP :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Sleepy wrote: »
    TBH, it would seem perfectly obvious to me that he was a paedophile but one that was careful enough not to have any illegal materials in his possession and to pay off any child making public accusations.

    Isn't that what every sane person has believed for the past decade?

    I guess Im not sane then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    I wouldn't.

    So you're saying the payout was indicative of MJ's guilt but the acceptance of a bribe by the parents was not indicative of MJ's innocence or the parents' avarice?

    Okey doke, we'll leave it there so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭valoren


    mikeym wrote: »
    I dont trust content from Fox OP :cool:

    You are not alone. :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭Raging_Ninja


    Believe what you want.

    You don't buy a kids silence if you've nothing to hide and going by the information that's coming out now it seems there was indeed a lot to cover up.

    After Savilles death people at first refused to believe the stories and look how that turned out.

    Problem is that the police and prosecutors are saying that the so-called "evidence" being released to the public has been altered and fabricated.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    You don't accept a bribe if a man has abused your Son/Daughter. That is, of course, unless your primary motivation was money in the first place rather than justice.

    Not necessarily. I'm not sure I would want my child to go through a very public trial where they would have to relive their experience in front of the world and probably be aggressively questioned on the stand.


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