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When Did U2 Become a Political Party?

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  • #32
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Value of sterling is sitting pretty stable today. Looks like the markets are more confident this week that Britain will remain.


  • #33
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Theres a load of celebs coming out with their opinions, its how the UK does elections, sure look at geldof and his stupid boat, Jeremy Clarkson came out remain as well which was surprising, Beckham has also come out with a call to remain, the weirdest one has to be all the Premiership football clubs making official statements asking their supporters to vote remain

    Cos all those continenatal players would have to apply for work permits :pac:


  • #34
    qrx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 639 ✭✭✭qrx


    seamus wrote: »
    Value of sterling is sitting pretty stable today. Looks like the markets are more confident this week that Britain will remain.

    Or it's already made the adjustment and been devalued as much as it's going to be. In other words the fallout is not going to be as big as everyone says.


  • #35
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    wes wrote: »
    Normally, I would agree, but brexit will have an major effect on us, especially in regards to potential border checks in the North.

    It wouldn't really. Would there even be border checks? Crossing the border was easy enough during the height of the troubles and that's when there was Army checkpoints everywhere and both countries were in the EU.


  • #36
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    qrx wrote: »
    Or it's already made the adjustment and been devalued as much as it's going to be. In other words the fallout is not going to be as big as everyone says.
    It hasn't made the adjustment. In fact, it's been pretty consistent that the value drops when polls suggest leave is going to win and then rallies again when the polls swing the opposite way.

    There was a very strong rally in the last week which coincided with the death of Jo Cox and a swing towards the remain winning.

    No, the fallout won't be world-ending, but pretty quickly euro and sterling with hit parity as everyone starts moving their money out of sterling and into dollar or euro.


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  • #37
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    HensVassal wrote: »
    It wouldn't really. Would there even be border checks? Crossing the border was easy enough during the height of the troubles and that's when there was Army checkpoints everywhere and both countries were in the EU.
    EU rules require robust border checks between members and non-members.

    We'd be obliged to have these.

    Though likely the UK would manage to negotiate a special exemption so that it's a customs and revenue check only and not a full border check.


  • #38
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Ahh i havent seen the ostrich approach in a while

    How the hell would it impact Ireland if the UK left?

    Would they have a new currency that we would have to change to when visiting? Eh..no. Just like it was before the EU existed.

    Would we need passports to visit Britain? Eh...no. Just like it was before the EU existed.

    Would the stop being our biggest trading partner? Eh..no. Just like it was before the EU existed.


  • #39
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    HensVassal wrote: »
    It wouldn't really. Would there even be border checks? Crossing the border was easy enough during the height of the troubles and that's when there was Army checkpoints everywhere and both countries were in the EU.

    That's the thing we don't know what the border will look like cus they won't be in the EU anymore so that's already different to how it used to be, nobody can say for certain what will happen if they leave, anyone who says different is a liar


  • #40
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    HensVassal wrote: »
    How the hell would it impact Ireland if the UK left?

    Would they have a new currency that we would have to change to when visiting? Eh..no. Just like it was before the EU existed.

    This might actually benefit us as the markets arent a fan of them leaving so the exchange rate might be better
    HensVassal wrote: »
    Would we need passports to visit Britain? Eh...no. Just like it was before the EU existed.

    Yes but we may need to now go through customs and border control to enter and vice versa which increases the cost of people moving between the 2 countries at a bureaucratic and security level. Flights might also cost more
    HensVassal wrote: »
    Would the stop being our biggest trading partner? Eh..no. Just like it was before the EU existed.

    No it wouldnt stop trade but tarriffs, increased custom's controls and other restrictions that don't apply cus of the open market will make trade more expensive which ultimately will cost jobs


  • #41
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Nobody is trying to argue they took anyone's job we are just pointing out your argument that nothing will change is ignorant of long term changes.

    The polish who came are actually a benefit to the economy, not matter what some fringe elements will argue, so there that is the change for you.

    Your small view of day to day life change is impossible to measure against these massive changes at an international and continental level as it happens over very long periods of time

    How can you possibly state that the addition of several thousand Polish people has had a positive impact or are a benefit to the economy other than they are decent people? What longterm impact will they have? You're only making things up to back up your flimsy argument. So we'll have a few shops selling perogis and kielbasa and a few extra blonde honeys added to the gene pool. Other than that, what's your big long term change?


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  • #42
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    It might not mean much to you, but there's a hell of a lot of people in this country, myself included, whose livelihoods are hanging in the balance of tomorrow's result. It's the most important referendum in the history of this state, and it's not even being held in this state.

    How is your livelihood "hanging in the balance"?


  • #43
    HensVassal
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    Jayop wrote: »
    Possible negative changed in Ireland if brexit happens.

    1) border. Massive worry both for the border economy and even a greater thread of increased support for dissidents.

    2) another recession could happen. The markets are already volatile and brexit could push them over the edge.

    3) if you are worried about eu migration then the UK being out will make Ireland more attractive for eu citizens.


    Personally 3 doesn't bother me because eu immigration has only benefitted Ireland. Our eastern European neighbors have greatly added to the Irish economy and culture imo. I'd be very worried about 1 and 2 though. Also the UK were a string ally in Europe that we'll lose. Germany and France will become even stronger voices within the union.

    So the 3 things you've just pulled out of a hat a 3 "could happen" bits of nonsense.


  • #44
    ClovenHoof
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Jayop wrote: »
    So basically you're only pissed off that they had a different opinion to you. If u2 and enda campaigned to leave you'd be saying nothing.

    "enda"...

    How did we get to be all personal friends with politicians in this country so we could call them by their first names?

    Oh right. PJ O'Mara the 'Charlie' spin doctor who invented the idea.


  • #45
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    seamus wrote: »
    It hasn't made the adjustment. In fact, it's been pretty consistent that the value drops when polls suggest leave is going to win and then rallies again when the polls swing the opposite way.

    There was a very strong rally in the last week which coincided with the death of Jo Cox and a swing towards the remain winning.

    No, the fallout won't be world-ending, but pretty quickly euro and sterling with hit parity as everyone starts moving their money out of sterling and into dollar or euro.

    Why would people do this if the referendum vote is to remain?


  • #46
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    This might actually benefit us as the markets arent a fan of them leaving so the exchange rate might be better



    Yes but we may need to now go through customs and border control to enter and vice versa which increases the cost of people moving between the 2 countries at a bureaucratic and security level. Flights might also cost more



    No it wouldnt stop trade but tarriffs, increased custom's controls and other restrictions that don't apply cus of the open market will make trade more expensive which ultimately will cost jobs

    In other words none of the above are likely to come to pass.


  • #47
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Like or not, they're in a position to influence far more people to a particular cause than any of us.


  • #48
    ClovenHoof
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Listen to me carefully.

    Any Irish person who defends the 'democracy' of the EU following the announcement of Lisbon Treaty second vote is akin to a cult member who stays with the cult leader even after the date of end time predictions comes and passes.

    Irish people should know more than anyone else, that EU simply does not do the democratic choice thing.


  • #49
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭valoren


    It's a WITH/WITHOUT EU referendum after all.


  • #50
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    HensVassal wrote: »
    In other words none of the above are likely to come to pass.

    Again nobody can know for sure what will happen, yes everything above is a possibility that may or may not happen, but those arguing nothing will happen are literally burying their head in the sand as you cannot have the 3rd largest economy and roughly 8% of the population of the union leave without some kind of ripple effect.


  • #51
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    When they stopped making good music. Somewhere around the mid 1990s.


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  • #52
    HensVassal
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    seamus wrote: »
    EU rules require robust border checks between members and non-members.

    We'd be obliged to have these.

    Though likely the UK would manage to negotiate a special exemption so that it's a customs and revenue check only and not a full border check.


    And when was the last time you drove across the bridge from Sweden to Norway? Not a portacabin, or uniform or speed bump or barrier in sight. Just a sign that reads "Norge"

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@65.681872,14.5373179,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYB3-GYN2wxdFyNBusV9Acw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


  • #53
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭valoren


    All that EU can't leave behind.


  • #54
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    That's the thing we don't know what the border will look like cus they won't be in the EU anymore so that's already different to how it used to be, nobody can say for certain what will happen if they leave, anyone who says different is a liar

    But you're just dreaming up doomsday nonsense that is just not true because the situation existed in the past and proves you completely wrong.

    All you're doing is trying to frighten yourself and others with rubbish.


  • #55
    Old Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 299 ✭✭Old Bill


    VinLieger wrote: »

    The polish who came are actually a benefit to the economy, not matter what some fringe elements will argue, so there that is the change for you.

    I don't see how they benefit the economy when they don't spend money here ? Any poles I know save most of their money. You won't see many poles out in pubs or restaurants here.

    I remember a pole complaining to me that she had to spend 3 Euro on a breakfast roll. They are very tight when it comes to money.

    I can fully understand why they don't want to spend money in rip off Ireland but this does not benefit our economy.

    On average an Irish person will spend more money in the local economy than an East European.


  • #56
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    That's the thing we don't know what the border will look like cus they won't be in the EU anymore so that's already different to how it used to be, nobody can say for certain what will happen if they leave, anyone who says different is a liar

    I would imagine the border will look the same as it did in the 40's 50's and 60's and 70's when neither of us were in the EU either.


  • #57
    ClovenHoof
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    When they stopped making good music. Somewhere around the mid 1990s.


    Yes. When they released Zooropa ironically.


  • #58
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Again nobody can know for sure what will happen, yes everything above is a possibility that may or may not happen, but those arguing nothing will happen are literally burying their head in the sand as you cannot have the 3rd largest economy and roughly 8% of the population of the union leave without some kind of ripple effect.

    Nobody's burying their head in the sand...they're just not falling for the Chicken Little, Sky is Falling Bullshit that is the stock approach of the fearmongers. Notice that those who are in favour of remaining only ever frame their argument in hypothetical scaremongering and horror stories about what would happen if the vote goes against them. That right there tells you all you need to know. They can't argue the pros of their own position so they try to play up to fabicated cons of the other position.

    Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

    Same shit with the same sex marriage referendum. The No side couldn't come up with any good reason to vote NO so they just made up reasons to not vote YES. And used rubbish hypotheticals to boost their hot air campaign.


  • #59
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    HensVassal wrote: »
    But you're just dreaming up doomsday nonsense that is just not true because the situation existed in the past and proves you completely wrong.

    All you're doing is trying to frighten yourself and others with rubbish.

    Were we in a seperate open border union when this situation existed in the past? The very same union the leave campaign are claiming is allowing people into their country unchecked?

    Im not trying to scare myself or others im simply open to the possibility that something can happen, ignoring the possibility that anything at all can happen is just close minded and pig headed.

    Try this, do you go out driving on the road ignoring the possibility that someone might crash into you? No, you are aware of it and so are also then aware of your surroundings so can react accordingly if someone else does something stupid and hopefully then can avoid it or at least try to make sure it causes as little damage to you and your car as possible.


  • #60
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    HensVassal wrote: »
    Nobody's burying their head in the sand...they're just not falling for the Chicken Little, Sky is Falling Bullshit that is the stock approach of the fearmongers. Notice that those who are in favour of remaining only ever frame their argument in hypothetical scaremongering and horror stories about what would happen if the vote goes against them. That right there tells you all you need to know. They can't argue the pros of their own position so they try to play up to fabicated cons of the other position.

    Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

    Same shit with the same sex marriage referendum. The No side couldn't come up with any good reason to vote NO so they just made up reasons to not vote YES. And used rubbish hypotheticals to boost their hot air campaign.

    Fair point.

    Give me a pro for the UK leaving then that benefits Ireland that isn't based on fear or the possibility of something bad happening?


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  • #61
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    HensVassal wrote: »
    I would imagine the border will look the same as it did in the 40's 50's and 60's and 70's when neither of us were in the EU either.

    Curfews, customs levys, identity checks and grocery smuggling, that was the border before the EU. :)


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