Asexual Pride movement is growing fast

smash · 22-06-2016 02:13PM

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

Asexuality has always been in included in any kind of LGBT activism I've been involved in but it could definitely do with being more talked about.

It is also in fact possible to be both asexual and gay. Not all asexual people are aromantic and continue to have romantic feelings towards one gender or both and could identify as gay, straight or bi (or perhaps another label).

There are also all varieties of grey or demi asexuals who experience limited sexual desire and would also have a preference.

Oh ffs. Can we quit it with these stupid phrases please.

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

It's not as simple as saying they're two separate groups.

They are two separate groups. LGB are a separate group from T too. Sure there's an overlap, but as demographics they're different entirely and I fail to see why that can't be noted by activists. It's ok to be a member of two groups you know. Whoever decided to start adding groups to the pile is doing only one thing; diluting their cause!

pl4ichjgy17zwd · 22-06-2016 02:31PM

smash wrote:

Oh ffs. Can we quit it with these stupid phrases please.

Why are you so offended about people having a way to describe themselves? There are middle grounds between sexual and asexual.

smash wrote:

They are two separate groups. LGB are a separate group from T too. Sure there's an overlap, but as demographics they're different entirely and I fail to see why that can't be noted by activists. It's ok to be a member of two groups you know. Whoever decided to start adding groups to the pile is doing only one thing; diluting their cause!

It's called intersectionality.

tigger123 · 22-06-2016 02:34PM

seamus wrote: »

You'd be surprised just how often people feel like they have a right to pass comment or judgement. And how hilarious they think they're being by taking the piss out of people.

Look at this thread - full of jokes about limp cocks and virgins.

Ten years ago that was jokes about taking it up the arse, being really effeminate and dressing up in women's clothes.

The jokes in this thread are the same kind of negative nonsense from immature morons, just with a different focus.

Which is basically exactly what an "asexual pride" event is designed to counter - to show to everyone that not having any sexual desire is not wrong, that declaring oneself to be asexual shouldn't something that makes anyone think of them as defective or "not full human".

If you step back and examine the massive focus that sex gets in society - not just advertising, but how much everyday conversation revolves around it. It's completely invasive. Now imagine not being able to relate to people.

For me, it would be like the rest of the world (and I mean like 95% of it) talking about fashion for all or part of every day. Every second ad, TV programmes and radio shows, every magazine, 24/7, all the time. I would feel completely lost and probably a bit crazy that I was so unable to relate to everyone else.

Couldn't agree with this more.

The lack of irony shown earlier in the thread is unbelievable; 'sure what do they want pride for, sure asexuality is just plain weird'.

smash · 22-06-2016 02:36PM

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

Why are you so offended about people having a way to describe themselves? There are middle grounds between sexual and asexual.

I'm not offended, I just think it's bullshít.

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

It's called intersectionality.

And it's getting beyond ridiculous at this point.

drunkmonkey · 22-06-2016 03:03PM

seamus wrote: »

The jokes in this thread are the same kind of negative nonsense from immature morons, just with a different focus.

Get down off that horse Tayto, your equating the struggle LGB people had to go through to the struggle Asexuals have to go through today. Far from the same thing and the struggles while there may be parrells I haven't heard any of them getting lynched or thrown off buildings.
Next you'll tell us about the struggle being aromantic in a romantic world.

Permabear · 22-06-2016 03:07PM

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pl4ichjgy17zwd · 22-06-2016 03:25PM

smash wrote:

I'm not offended, I just think it's bullshÃt.

And I think it isn't. Which is why you're free not to identify as such and I am.

smash wrote:

And it's getting beyond ridiculous at this point.

Why? Is it really so hard just to be respectful to someone's identity when it doesn't harm anyone else and helps them feel more comfortable in their skin? No one is asking you to attend pride or go out campaigning, they're just asking you not to sneer at them.

smash · 22-06-2016 03:35PM

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

Why? Is it really so hard just to be respectful to someone's identity when it doesn't harm anyone else and helps them feel more comfortable in their skin? No one is asking you to attend pride or go out campaigning, they're just asking you not to sneer at them.

Because what started out as a cause with a purpose has somehow managed to transform to the point where it is adopting every little niche demographic that has either through reality or fantasy been persecuted in some shape or form. Along the way, the cause have also managed to create new terminology (cis) for anyone who isn't 'with them', whatever the hell there is to be 'with' these days. The messages are so diluted now that I have no idea what's actually being campaigned for because the spread is so wild and the issues seem mostly delusional.

pl4ichjgy17zwd · 22-06-2016 03:53PM

smash wrote:

Because what started out as a cause with a purpose has somehow managed to transform to the point where it is adopting every little niche demographic that has either through reality or fantasy been persecuted in some shape or form. Along the way, the cause have also managed to create new terminology (cis) for anyone who isn't 'with them', whatever the hell there is to be 'with' these days. The messages are so diluted now that I have no idea what's actually being campaigned for because the spread is so wild and the issues seem mostly delusional.

Cis is just the opposite of trans. It was used in chemistry long before it was used for gender proposes. It makes sense if we have a word for one thing that we also have a word for the opposite.

The LGBT does (or should) take on these 'niche demographics' because each of those <<letters were once 'niche' too. It doesn't mean it's all the same cause with the same goals, it just recognises that there's shared issues and members of each group that also fall into the other, who could use support.

asexuality.org is a good resource if you'd like to learn more about it. If not, I'm not really sure why you're getting so bent out of shape.

smash · 22-06-2016 04:02PM

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

Cis is just the opposite of trans. It was used in chemistry long before it was used for gender proposes. It makes sense if we have a word for one thing that we also have a word for the opposite.

And now it's used for gender purposes and peddled by the LBGT community so what's your point?

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

The LGBT does (or should) take on these 'niche demographics' because each of those <<letters were once 'niche' too. It doesn't mean it's all the same cause with the same goals, it just recognises that there's shared issues and members of each group that also fall into the other, who could use support.

Like I said... diluted. I know a lot of gay people who are on the fence about it all so I'm not just making this up all by myself. What LGB/LGBT have done is that they've become unionised. You have the equivalent of teachers striking in support of bus drivers because they're both with SIPTU.

pl4ichjgy17zwd · 22-06-2016 04:08PM

smash wrote:

And now it's used for gender purposes and peddled by the LBGT community so what's your point?

That the word wasn't invented in some kind of us v them battle like you seemed to imply

smash wrote:

Like I said... diluted. I know a lot of gay people who are on the fence about it all so I'm not just making this up all by myself. What LGB/LGBT have done is that they've become unionised. You have the equivalent of teachers striking in support of bus drivers because they're both with SIPTU.

There are asexual people who are LGBT. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging those cross sections and working together.

smash · 22-06-2016 04:10PM

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

That the word wasn't invented in some kind of us v them battle like you seemed to imply

Adapted. That better?

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

There are asexual people who are LGBT. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging those cross sections and working together.

And there are plenty who aren't. So how does a group of people who enjoy sex manage to weasel their way in to being the face and voice of those who don't?

Fleawuss · 22-06-2016 04:11PM

xabi wrote: »

Is this like being Aethiest, you don't do something but still feel the need to label it.

I don't feel the need. It's a label applied in a society where the assumption was that everyone was a theist. If I hear religious bullshyte being spouted I'll take it on but otherwise you wouldn't know I'm here.

Fleawuss · 22-06-2016 04:18PM

Permabear wrote: »

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It's when people hear the personal story that they move beyond the label. The label is only there to make others aware that the world is more complicated than we think.

pl4ichjgy17zwd · 22-06-2016 04:23PM

Not really because you're still implying it's anything but a descriptive word. It's no different to 'straight'

They're not. It's about representation for everyone. It's about access to resources. There are groups for asexual people only even within the community like there might be for bisexual or trans people or women's nights. We're a bigger voice together. Even if we're not all the same there's a shared experience of feeling othered regarding relationships and it can be helpful to engage with that.

It's not fur everyone and I'm all for individual resources for asexual people but it doesn't hurt to be part of the community too.

22-06-2016 04:26PM

I'm just thinking.. LGBTQQIA+ sounds like a Sim City cheat code.

22-06-2016 04:40PM

why is it all these new groups are popping up in this generation? hhhmmm trendy eh!:cool:

Little CuChulainn · 22-06-2016 04:44PM

seamus wrote: »

You'd be surprised just how often people feel like they have a right to pass comment or judgement. And how hilarious they think they're being by taking the piss out of people.

Look at this thread - full of jokes about limp cocks and virgins.

Ten years ago that was jokes about taking it up the arse, being really effeminate and dressing up in women's clothes.

The jokes in this thread are the same kind of negative nonsense from immature morons, just with a different focus.

Which is basically exactly what an "asexual pride" event is designed to counter - to show to everyone that not having any sexual desire is not wrong, that declaring oneself to be asexual shouldn't something that makes anyone think of them as defective or "not full human".

If you step back and examine the massive focus that sex gets in society - not just advertising, but how much everyday conversation revolves around it. It's completely invasive. Now imagine not being able to relate to people.

For me, it would be like the rest of the world (and I mean like 95% of it) talking about fashion for all or part of every day. Every second ad, TV programmes and radio shows, every magazine, 24/7, all the time. I would feel completely lost and probably a bit crazy that I was so unable to relate to everyone else.

Why does joking about something have to be considered a negative?

smash · 22-06-2016 04:47PM

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

Not really because you're still implying it's anything but a deceptive word. It's no different to 'straight'

It is constantly used in a derogatory way to try and shut down debate and belittle people.

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

They're not. It's about representation for everyone. It's about access to resources. There are groups for asexual people only even within the community like there might be for bisexual or trans people or women's nights. We're a bigger voice together.

Here's the thing; if you're shouting about everything then you're really just doing it to appear relevant. I mean, have the people you're representing exclusively asked as a whole that you represent them? Because the now LBTGQQI lobbyists are beginning to look like a bunch of bandwagon jumpers.

Albert Fluffy Mouthpiece wrote: »

Even if we're not all the same there's a shared experience of feeling othered regarding relationships and it can be helpful to engage with that.

It's not fur everyone and I'm all for individual resources for asexual people but it doesn't hurt to be part of the community too.

You might think it doesn't hurt, but it does because like I've said over and over, you've diluted your message.

22-06-2016 04:51PM

What am I if I think asexuality is silly? Asexualphobic?

Grayditch · 22-06-2016 04:52PM

Are Asexual people marginalised?

pl4ichjgy17zwd · 22-06-2016 04:53PM

smash wrote:

It is constantly used in a derogatory way to try and shut down debate and belittle people.

Well there's assholes in every group. People use trans and gay in the same way, but I wouldn't assume the whole straight community use them as a slur.

smash wrote:

Here's the thing; if you're shouting about everything then you're really just doing it to appear relevant. I mean, have the people you're representing exclusively asked as a whole that you represent them? Because the now LBTGQQI lobbyists are beginning to look like a bunch of bandwagon jumpers.

I don't really care if people think that tbh. I care that people get the support they need.

smash wrote:

You might think it doesn't hurt, but it does because like I've said over and over, you've diluted your message.

My only message is all are welcome and you're not alone. If it stops one person hating or hurting themselves, the message isn't diluted.

super_furry · 22-06-2016 04:55PM

I thought at one stage as a society we were moving away from labels and defining ourselves as what we do or don't do with our genitals but now it seems it's even more prevalent, except it's people self-labelling. Not sure if it's from a desire to belong to a certain group or what's going.

NikoTopps · 22-06-2016 05:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wait, what's the + for?

The + is for people who identify with something outside of the LGBTQQIA umbrella.

NikoTopps · 22-06-2016 05:59PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I'm gay and had no idea there were any other letters than LGBT.

Who has time to learn all that? :L

L, Lesbian.
G, Gay.
B, Bi.
T, Trans.
Q, Queer.
Q, Questioning.
I, Intersex.
A, Asexual.
+, Other.

Simple really.... /s

smash · 22-06-2016 06:12PM

NikoTopps wrote: »

The + is for people who identify with something outside of the LGBTQQIA umbrella.

So whatever the next hot topic is.

Lady is a tramp · 22-06-2016 06:26PM

NikoTopps wrote: »

L, Lesbian.
G, Gay.
B, Bi.
T, Trans.
Q, Queer.
Q, Questioning.
I, Intersex.
A, Asexual.
+, Other.

Simple really.... /s

What's the difference between Queer and Gay?

And what does Other include?

drunkmonkey · 22-06-2016 06:36PM

And can I ask how can you be Asexual and gay/straight. If you can't get turned on or have no desire you can't really be either.

22-06-2016 06:38PM

At least we're back to discussing sexuality in terms of a mensurable sexual orientation, as opposed to people 'identifying' as a Russian dancing bear, sexually attracted to cis sea-eagles, or whatever.

drunkmonkey · 22-06-2016 06:38PM

Lady is a tramp wrote: »

What's the difference between Queer and Gay?

And what does Other include?

Queer covers every kink, it's the original LGBTIAAI+, might be as handy go back to using it, sounds better than quiltbag.

Asexual Pride movement is growing fast

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