Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

Banjo · 17-06-2016 04:47PM

What makes a console desirable is no different to what makes a car or a woman/man/animal (I'm not here to judge you, man!) or a cola desirable.

Expectation.

The problem the Wii U has is that it is undesirable but immensely fulfilling. Like having sex with 2 raw pork chops in an armband covered in barbecue sauce. You can't say I'm wrong till you try it yourself. But why is it undesirable?
It has a gimic controller.
It's "for kids."
It has none of the annual release games I like to play on it
The hardware is not powerful.
The account system is 10 years behind the pace.

Etc etc.

And the problem is, if you try to build the NX by addressing these points, you don't fix the problem :
It has a gimic controller -> remove gimic -> It's not innovative.
It's "for kids." -> insert sex and violence -> it's crass and derivative
It has none of the annual release games I like to play on it -> insert Fifa and COD -> It's just the same old games over and over
The hardware is not powerful. -> bump up the spec -> it's too expensive
The account system is 10 years behind the pace. -> fix it -> Wait, now I have to pay for online???

So the best thing they can do is listen to us, but ignore us, but take our concerns into account, but not.

So yes, they need hardware grunt. Yes they need 3rd party support. Yes they need innovation. Yes they need to market the crap out of it. But none of these things guarantee that people will want what they're peddling. And that's the problem....

sligeach · 17-06-2016 05:02PM

Banjo wrote: »

It's "for kids."

I would change that to, Nintendo treat us like kids. Which in turn leads to your point.

Ace Attorney · 17-06-2016 05:39PM

I never said the wii u was undesirable, i think the wii u is a great console with some great exclusives, but nintendo cant support the console on its on, big third party companys need to be on board to fill the gaps, while the good nintendo exclusives are released. Im under no illusion tho that this was the only wiiu problem with it being unsuccessful , i agree with the other reasons mentioned above, but feel we could have at least got another few years out of the wii u if there was more dev support for it.

sligeach · 18-06-2016 01:31AM

ZELDA: BOTW GIVES IS A REASON TO BUY NX, 3RD PARTY TALK, MORE ON NX THIS YEAR, SAYS NINTENDO

A portion of a Financial Post interview with Nintendo's Scott Moffitt...

FP: Looking back at the lifetime sales of Wii U and Nintendo 3DS, both of which have ebbed and flowed over the years, what are some of the lessons Nintendo has learned in this generation that it will apply to its strategy with future products?

SM: First, it’s really important to have the right content. Software drives hardware. We’ve proven that multiple times. The right game can really lift a system. With The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild being among the titles we’re working on for NX, we’re very excited it will be an immediate reason game fans will want to buy the hardware.

Second, it’s important to have clear positioning for your proposition and be able to explain it to consumers in a simple and easy way. Those are among the things that we are working on for NX.

Third, we need to showcase all the things that make Nintendo great. When we bring out a title it has to be of exceptional quality, it has to be fun, it has to be an immersive experience, and put a smile on families’ faces. As long as we stay true to those things, we’ll deliver what we want.

And certainly there are other factors, like third-party content. Our mission is to create the largest install base possible so that third-party developers will want to bring their content to our systems.

FP: When families ask me for a console recommendation I often endorse Wii U, explaining that Nintendo has more exclusives and more family friendly content than pretty much any other platform. But it’s harder for me to make the case for older players looking to pick up a new console who want to play more than just the games Nintendo makes. What’s happening with Nintendo’s major third-party partners, both right now and in the future with NX?

SM: That’s a great question, and one that we give a lot of thought to. There’s a tendency for people to focus on certain publishers or certain titles. But when you step back and take a look at it, we have great publisher relationships with companies like Ubisoft – which had some exciting announcements this week – Capcom, and Warner Bros. They have been strong and will continue to be strong partners in the future.

Having said that, what will attract even more partners to our platform — which, of course, is something we’d like to do — is having a piece of hardware that provides interesting ways for these companies to bring their game creations to life, one that’s easy to program and work on, and that has a large enough install base of game fans that are looking for a variety of content.

So, for an avid gamer a game like The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is one of those that you can’t not play. It’s a new high point for the franchise that offers gamers incredible freedom. Your gaming arsenal will not be complete without a Nintendo system and this game in your house.

FP: I suspect I know the answer to this last question already, but I have to ask: When can we expect to learn more about the NX?

SM: There will be more information coming out later this year. We certainly understand everyone’s desire and interest to learn more. We can’t wait to tell you all about it. But E3 was not the time. We wanted to focus our efforts on The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, and also on Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon, a fantastic new experience in that franchise. But later this year you can expect to get more information on NX.

http://gonintendo.com/stories/259736-zelda-botw-gives-is-a-reason-to-buy-nx-3rd-party-talk-more-on

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-tech-desk/post-arcade/nintendo-sales-chief-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-will-be-an-immediate-reason-game-fans-will-want-to-buy-nx-hardware

MilesMorales1 · 18-06-2016 09:58AM

I think we'll see NX info by the end of September, and I think it'll be a direct. Tis a very Nintendo thing to do after all.

MilesMorales1 · 18-06-2016 12:20PM

Nintendo (NTDOY) has already announced Nintendo NX will be coming out in spring 2017. What impact will new consoles from the major players have on the gaming industry over the next couple of years?

It could be very exciting. You never want to count Nintendo out. They go quiet for a while and then they come to market and do something really exciting. We are very interested and watching closely the development of what Nintendo plans to do next.

From an interview with Take Two Ceo.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13611582/1/take-two-interactive-ceo-strauss-zelnick-we-re-here-to-delight-customers.html

SK1979 · 19-06-2016 06:43PM

There's a possibility that Nintendo could get extremely lucky with the NX. With Sony and Microsoft seemingly hellbent on using the extra rawpower from their new consoles to go for 4k rather than framerates, if Nintendo can produce a machine with more power than the current ps4 and xbox1 then they could be onto a winner as I think most people are still going to be gaming at 1080p.

Allyall · 19-06-2016 06:51PM

There is also the possibilty that an awful lot of people may have reached their limit with consoles by the time the NX is released.

MilesMorales1 · 19-06-2016 06:52PM

There is no limit with Nintendo :pac:

Srsly though I will buy any Nintendo console. Nintendo has earned an infinite amount of good will from me.

Allyall · 19-06-2016 06:55PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

There is no limit with Nintendo :pac:

Srsly though I will buy any Nintendo console. Nintendo has earned an infinite amount of good will from me.

Yep, I agree that a lot of people will be of the same opinion, but they're probably the ones that bought the Wii U, with few exceptions.

With the Xbox One S, the PS4.5, the Virtual Consoles, the money will be getting tighter for a few people, and parents might be getting fed up by that stage.

sligeach · 19-06-2016 07:31PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

There is no limit with Nintendo :pac:

Srsly though I will buy any Nintendo console. Nintendo has earned an infinite amount of good will from me.

O.K. hands up who's been drinking? You and I might buy it, the rest of the world? That's not sustainable. I love Nintendo, there's a lot of factors to consider but they've a mass of reparations to do. I'm the last of my friends that like Nintendo, that might not be true, but I'm definitely the last who buys their hardware. They've alienated so much of their audience.

I can't and never would pretend to know everything. I'm Nintendo through and through. So I'm not aware of everything. But isn't Sony screwed with the handheld market. Microsoft the same with consoles. It's a hugely changing market. I think both want out of their respective markets when this gen is done.

MilesMorales1 · 19-06-2016 07:50PM

sligeach wrote: »

O.K. hands up who's been drinking? You and I might buy it, the rest of the world? That's not sustainable. I love Nintendo, there's a lot of factors to consider but they've a mass of reparations to do. I'm the last of my friends that like Nintendo, that might not be true, but I'm definitely the last who buys their hardware. They've alienated so much of their audience.

I can't and never would pretend to know everything. I'm Nintendo through and through. So I'm not aware of everything. But isn't Sony screwed with the handheld market. Microsoft the same with consoles. It's a hugely changing market. I think both want out of their respective markets when this gen is done.

Well Sony won't make any more handhelds for sure. But the whole PC thing with microsoft doesn't mean they won't do any more xbox. Probably not in exactly the same form, but what can you do.

I dunno if Nintendo alienated their audience as much as people I know consider Nintendo to be kiddy and lame, for whatever reason. But we know the truth :pac:

CiDeRmAn · 19-06-2016 09:37PM

I have high hopes for the NX.
Seeing as I'm buying one i might as well be wishing and believing the best possible outcome.
I want, and trust, that a Nintendo console with the power of the current range of consoles, or the half gen jump, should have the gaming content to attract both the fan and the gamer who wants multiplat titles.
Avoiding novelty controllers and shoehorning features should go someway to inspire confidence in the purchaser.
A good launch lineup of both Nintendo and everyone else's best, plus the odd system exclusive, should or could grab attention and desire in the public, some good marketing and all could be better than good.

Remember that, for the launch titles, if they aren't already well on the way to completion then we are all in trouble.
But I'd love to just know who is developing, particularly what's coming from EA, Ubisoft and Activision.

Iseedeadpixels · 20-06-2016 08:33AM

I always get Nintendo as a 2nd console as I have my xbox one for the usual games so I reckon a lot of others could do the same if the exclusives are worth it.

CiDeRmAn · 20-06-2016 10:18AM

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

I always get Nintendo as a 2nd console as I have my xbox one for the usual games so I reckon a lot of others could do the same if the exclusives are worth it.

That was the hope with the WiiU, as it was with the Wii, that people would buy into the console for the excellent line up of exclusives and leave the business of trawling around with multiplat releases for the other consoles.
Sadly, it didn't work that way.
The WiiU just wasn't cheap enough to make it a viable alternate in the household, and the controller was/is just too awkward for most people to use.
If they had released it with only a traditional controller and included Wii-mote support, the machine may well have found more acceptance.
The controller only had minimal support outside of Nintendo anyway, and even in the Nintendo releases it was not terribly important, would Splatoon, Mario Kart 8 or Super Mario 3D World have been affected by it's absence? No, not one bit.
If the NX can launch at a keen price point, with killer games and without the need to read a manual in order to use the controller, I think it may do well.

Banjo · 20-06-2016 10:26AM

Reparations
Interesting choice of word. Apt.

What would they have to do to make amends?
(That's 3 questions really : How do you make amends to the party faithful who stuck by the Wii U and are about to be cast off? How do you make overtures to the gamers who left this gen or last gen? How do you reconcile the latter with the former?)

I don't have an answer, by the way, but fixing the Accounting system so that the person is the customer and the hardware is arbitrary would be a good first step for the Faithful. An excellent 2nd step would be to have launch day Virtual Console access that let you play EVERYTHING you owned on any platform on that account. And if they want to go a step further, any game you registered stars for is a game you owned new at retail. Give us those too. And now, Count Nintendula, I am yours forever.

But don't stop there! Owners of the new 3DS get exclusive early access to Animal Crossing : Tortimer's Love Island, blending their gentle pastoral anthropomorphic life sim with The Sims's relationship and genetics systems, and of course the hard core ****ing of GTA San Andreas - Hot Coffee - maybe use this to launch their quality-of-life platform, a groinal attachment that helps reduce incidence of prostate cancer by helping you purge toxins? Super AmiiboKart provides a free* update to the MarioKart franchise that embraces all of Nintendo's heritage in the most Sligeach-baiting way possible. Super Mario Universe gives you your platforming fix while teaching you the layout of the known universe - every star and planet and moon and asteroid is yours to jump on and swing from. Except Europa. Meanwhile, Luigi drew the short straw and presents Super Luigi Intestinal Explorer (Small and Large editions).

For the infidel, well you need to give them a definitive version of a new release cross platformer and/or a 6-9month exclusive of an entry into a popular series. I don't see how they're going to secure a Fifa or CoD or the like... And there's no point trying to use the launch of a new cross-platform IP for this. Well, unless it's huge. Say, if you could convince Capcom and Disney to go for StreetFighter vs Marvel vs Star Wars, and resist the natural Nintendite tendancy to ring Lego and invite them to the table. Although.... lego street fighter with destructable block environments... ah ****e, that would be amazing, I've scuppered myself.

As for new gamers, if they sort the advertising (maybe even work in some in-jokes about how poorly the Wii U was advertised) and have a couple of launch titles for kids, a couple for teens and a couple for the more mature gamer, it should take care of itself.

P.S. @Ace Attorney - I never said you said it was undesirable. *I* said it was undesirable

CiDeRmAn · 20-06-2016 04:05PM

Banjo wrote: »

Reparations
Interesting choice of word. Apt.

What would they have to do to make amends?
(That's 3 questions really : How do you make amends to the party faithful who stuck by the Wii U and are about to be cast off? How do you make overtures to the gamers who left this gen or last gen? How do you reconcile the latter with the former?)

I don't have an answer, by the way, but fixing the Accounting system so that the person is the customer and the hardware is arbitrary would be a good first step for the Faithful. An excellent 2nd step would be to have launch day Virtual Console access that let you play EVERYTHING you owned on any platform on that account. And if they want to go a step further, any game you registered stars for is a game you owned new at retail. Give us those too. And now, Count Nintendula, I am yours forever.

But don't stop there! Owners of the new 3DS get exclusive early access to Animal Crossing : Tortimer's Love Island, blending their gentle pastoral anthropomorphic life sim with The Sims's relationship and genetics systems, and of course the hard core ****ing of GTA San Andreas - Hot Coffee - maybe use this to launch their quality-of-life platform, a groinal attachment that helps reduce incidence of prostate cancer by helping you purge toxins? Super AmiiboKart provides a free* update to the MarioKart franchise that embraces all of Nintendo's heritage in the most Sligeach-baiting way possible. Super Mario Universe gives you your platforming fix while teaching you the layout of the known universe - every star and planet and moon and asteroid is yours to jump on and swing from. Except Europa. Meanwhile, Luigi drew the short straw and presents Super Luigi Intestinal Explorer (Small and Large editions).

For the infidel, well you need to give them a definitive version of a new release cross platformer and/or a 6-9month exclusive of an entry into a popular series. I don't see how they're going to secure a Fifa or CoD or the like... And there's no point trying to use the launch of a new cross-platform IP for this. Well, unless it's huge. Say, if you could convince Capcom and Disney to go for StreetFighter vs Marvel vs Star Wars, and resist the natural Nintendite tendancy to ring Lego and invite them to the table. Although.... lego street fighter with destructable block environments... ah ****e, that would be amazing, I've scuppered myself.

As for new gamers, if they sort the advertising (maybe even work in some in-jokes about how poorly the Wii U was advertised) and have a couple of launch titles for kids, a couple for teens and a couple for the more mature gamer, it should take care of itself.

P.S. @Ace Attorney - I never said you said it was undesirable. *I* said it was undesirable

You were doing so well this time too, nice and straight... before being brave and wobbling off your unicycle again....
Deary deary me....

CiDeRmAn · 20-06-2016 04:09PM

sligeach wrote: »

I love Nintendo,

But you tell us you hate them, are disappointed by them and feel betrayed by them, ALL THE TIME!!!

Are there two of you,
Good Sligeach
and
Anti-Sligeach

One loves Nintendo and all their works, even the stuff that didn't sell well, because at least it means that someone is brave enough out there to try to innovate and extend the hobby that is gaming.

The other just hates disappointment, and Amiibos too, and can't forgive Nintendo for letting them down.

I'm pretty sure they both might be living in the one noggin!!

Banjo · 20-06-2016 04:12PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Sligeach wrote:

I love nintendo

But you tell us you hate them, are disappointed by them and feel betrayed by them, ALL THE TIME!!!

Younger members of the Nintendo corner of Boards.ie, My name is Banjo and today I'm going to be explaining to you the concept of "marriage" with the help of my two glamorous assistants....

MilesMorales1 · 20-06-2016 04:15PM

I think its easy to love Nintendo while still being annoyed by them, I know I am.

Like so much of the internet wanting a new metroid prime, and nintendo's response is federation force. Come on.

Gonzo · 20-06-2016 04:35PM

if the NX is more like the gamecube, small console with the power of the current ps4/xb1 and a ps style controller then i'll buy!

OwaynOTT · 20-06-2016 05:45PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

But you tell us you hate them, are disappointed by them and feel betrayed by them, ALL THE TIME!!!

Are there two of you,
Good Sligeach
and
Anti-Sligeach

One loves Nintendo and all their works, even the stuff that didn't sell well, because at least it means that someone is brave enough out there to try to innovate and extend the hobby that is gaming.

The other just hates disappointment, and Amiibos too, and can't forgive Nintendo for letting them down.

I'm pretty sure they both might be living in the one noggin!!

Mr E · 20-06-2016 06:20PM

The NX will not be digital only. Boxed games live on....

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2016/06/20/nintendo-nx-will-not-be-a-digital-only-console/

MilesMorales1 · 20-06-2016 06:23PM

If they bring back cartridges, bring back cardboard boxes! They'll look so slick on Gamestop shelves.

OwaynOTT · 20-06-2016 07:05PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

If they bring back cartridges, bring back cardboard boxes! They'll look so slick on Gamestop shelves.

Been a heck of a lot of cardboard with the WiiU.
If they go full cardboard jacket on games, we could be looking a potential gold mine in 20 years.
Quality games, hard to keep cases and likely low numbers released because the nx will be Nintendos dreamcast.

sligeach · 20-06-2016 07:57PM

Rumour: French Media Claims Nintendo NX is Set for September Reveal

We shall see...

Ah, it's that time, dear readers. With E3 having passed and Nintendo (and many others) having a quiet spell, it's the period of rumours, sources and secret handshakes. Sizeable French outlet Gameblog is the latest to pitch in with its reports on the NX - as is always the case these should be treated with plenty of salt and a healthy level of scepticism.

We'll summarise the key points below, as we interpret the source article:
NX was originally planned for a November release, but was pushed back

Power-wise (that old chestnut) it's being related again to the upcoming PS4K / PlayStation Neo. This comparison has been made in the past, and has also been denied by others.

Some third-party exclusives are reportedly in the works, by the likes of Capcom and Square Enix. The delay may be to await projects like these.

Skyward Sword is claimed to be getting the remaster treatment, while major franchises like Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros. are naturally in the works.

In terms of the operating system Android is mentioned as being related, which again has been claimed and denied in the past. There's talk of support for up to eight controllers, though that's actually a feature of the Wii U in any case.

Nintendo wants to avoid the price of the hardware getting too high.

A September reveal is on the cards, potentially tied into the Tokyo Game Show.

Perhaps Gameblog's sources will be proven valid on some points, perhaps not. A number of individuals have earnestly claimed insider knowledge, yet there have been enough contradictions and errors (even when sources are supposedly 'authenticated') to ensure that, at best, rumours only give us interesting talking points.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/06/rumour_french_media_claims_nintendo_nx_is_set_for_september_reveal

Myrddin · 20-06-2016 08:00PM

If the Skyward Sword rumour is true, it's pretty much guaranteed that the NX will support Wiimotes.

MilesMorales1 · 20-06-2016 08:05PM

If it does, thats gotta be one of the longest running controllers in gaming right? Came out in 2006, if its supported by the NX it'll probably last till 2020 at least, thats 14 years.

Myrddin · 20-06-2016 08:10PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

If it does, thats gotta be one of the longest running controllers in gaming right? Came out in 2006, if its supported by the NX it'll probably last till 2020 at least, thats 14 years.

The Gamecube controller, supported on the Wii, & further supported on the Wii U via the adapter, is a contender for the crown. What's it, 15 years at the mo?

CiDeRmAn · 20-06-2016 08:39PM

Myrddin wrote: »

If the Skyward Sword rumour is true, it's pretty much guaranteed that the NX will support Wiimotes.

A Skyward Sword reworked to use a trad controller would make my day.
I don't like motion controls outside of a handful of titles, like Metroid Trilogy.

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