Xbox One General Discussion - Part 2 (Please Read 1st Post)

TitianGerm · 15-06-2016 11:07AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cheers!

Smyths selling it for E399.

The S? Which version though?

15-06-2016 11:18AM

emmetkenny wrote: »

The S? Which version though?

2TB

15-06-2016 11:23AM

Gamestop have it on site as well

2TB - 399
1TB- 349
500GB - 299

TitianGerm · 15-06-2016 11:47AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

2TB

Hmmmmmm.... That's a very good price for a 2TB model.... I'm now very tempted again

CatInABox · 15-06-2016 01:36PM

Varik wrote: »

If the Neo remains the same as the rumour have it then it's going to be vastly cheaper than the Scorpio, they're no way it wouldn't be and considering it could be released a year it could likely have a discount or 2.

Would be native 4k in those cases not upscaled, but may have 4k upscaling for games. Would be better for the Xbox to upscale the games rather than you're 4k TV which would do a poor job of it.

Yes, it's got upscaling for games, and anything that runs at less than 4K. The menus and OS will output at 4k native.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 15-06-2016 01:40PM

I have a 1TB Xbox One and don't really see the point of the S, may as well wait for Scorpio.

I'm sort of getting a little jaded of all the hardware news and talk, that of the S, Neo, Scorpio.

Guess I was spoiled with my 360, one of the launch ones and still going strong until I bought the PS4 at launch, around 8 years as my main console!

MiskyBoyy · 15-06-2016 04:40PM

For anyone interest in an S but not the 2TB version. I've just noticed this in the footnotes:

"Vertical stand only included on the 2TB Xbox One S"

TitianGerm · 15-06-2016 04:46PM

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

For anyone interest in an S but not the 2TB version. I've just noticed this in the footnotes:

"Vertical stand only included on the 2TB Xbox One S"

That's a nice bonus for purchasing the 2TB though

MiskyBoyy · 15-06-2016 04:53PM

emmetkenny wrote: »

That's a nice bonus for purchasing the 2TB though

It is but if I was to buy an Xbox One S myself. it would be the 500gb as I already have plenty of 2TB drives. I would have expected the stand in the 500gb box.

I just thought I'd mention it so if someone from here does buy smaller than 2TB they're aware of the vertical stand not being included.

TitianGerm · 15-06-2016 05:01PM

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

It is but if I was to buy an Xbox One S myself. it would be the 500gb as I already have plenty of 2TB drives. I would have expected the stand in the 500gb box.

I just thought I'd mention it so if someone from here does buy smaller than 2TB they're aware of the vertical stand not being included.

I could have sworn I read/heard that the stand was sold separately. Maybe it was in those articles yesterday or the Major Nelson interview showing off the one

MiskyBoyy · 15-06-2016 05:03PM

emmetkenny wrote: »

I could have sworn I read/heard that the stand was sold separately. Maybe it was in those articles yesterday or the Major Nelson interview showing off the one

I'd imagine it would be, but I'd still have expected it in my 500GB box if I wasn't informed.

Batesy · 15-06-2016 05:15PM

And if you really want/need the stand that'll probably retail for €20 - €30 anyway, it makes buying the 2TB a no brainer really.

TitianGerm · 15-06-2016 05:20PM

Batesy wrote: »

And if you really want/need the stand that'll probably retail for €20 - €30 anyway, it makes buying the 2TB a no brainer really.

Yea if you look at what your getting for €399 compared to 6 months ago with the one it's great value.

wotzgoingon · 15-06-2016 05:34PM

emmetkenny wrote: »

I could have sworn I read/heard that the stand was sold separately. Maybe it was in those articles yesterday or the Major Nelson interview showing off the one

It was an interview with major Nelson and he did say it at the end of the video

TitianGerm · 15-06-2016 05:43PM

wotzgoingon wrote: »

It was an interview with major Nelson and he did say it at the end of the video

I knew didn't dream it

Batesy · 15-06-2016 05:53PM

Looks like the stand will retail for $19.99 so €20

15-06-2016 05:56PM

In a eurogamer article it says the 2TB one will be released on the 2nd of August but the other 2 versions are TBA.

That_Guy · 15-06-2016 06:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In a eurogamer article it says the 2TB one will be released on the 2nd of August but the other 2 versions are TBA.

Was talking to a mate of mine last night. He doesn't know whether to wait for the Scorpio or invest in the S model.

I told him that I stupidly bought a current model of Xbox One before waiting to see what was on offer at E3 so don't ever bloody listen to me. :pac:

MiskyBoyy · 16-06-2016 02:26AM

You can now install WWE 2K16 and play for free until early Monday morning. Xbox free days program.

Just go to the store page on Xbox and it will say Install.

quad_red · 16-06-2016 08:07AM

So MS are doubling up on messaging that whilst the S will have slightly more grunt that will all be aimed at HDR etc and won't be noticeable in actual games.

What about menus though? Will the OS feel snappier? Will menus populate quicker? Games etc install faster?

CatInABox · 16-06-2016 08:41AM

quad_red wrote: »

So MS are doubling up on messaging that whilst the S will have slightly more grunt that will all be aimed at HDR etc and won't be noticeable in actual games.

What about menus though? Will the OS feel snappier? Will menus populate quicker? Games etc install faster?

Most of that will come down to the hard drive and the interface that they use for it. The current Xbox One has a 5200rpm drive, with a SATA 2 connection, both of which limit the speed. That's why games load faster from an external drive, it's not limited by either(depending on the drive you spring for of course), as USB3 is way faster than SATA2.

I'd say no, it's not going to be any faster. Make no mistake, Microsoft aren't releasing the S for a spec bump, they're releasing it because it'll be cheaper to make than the current model. It makes no sense to try and reduce costs in one area, only to up the cost in another.

qrx · 16-06-2016 09:12AM

Interesting interview with Phil Spencer:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-06-15-why-scorpio-and-xbox-one-s-sales-dont-actually-matter

Snake Plisken · 16-06-2016 09:40AM

Digital Foundry did a breakdown on the Scorpio reveal and are doubting that Microsoft will deliver on the 4K gaming, good analysis and I suspect he will be right and we might get a fudge on 4K.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA3moBYaEYc

CatInABox · 16-06-2016 10:13AM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Digital Foundry did a breakdown on the Scorpio reveal and are doubting that Microsoft will deliver on the 4K gaming, good analysis and I suspect he will be right and we might get a fudge on 4K.

Unsurprising really, considering that even the latest graphics cards can't hit 4k/60 fps. The Scorpio won't even have the best GPU in it, so it was never going to get there.

However, even with the fudge, it's still going to be a massive leap in terms of graphics, and it's something that will be more evident than the leap from Xbox 360 to Xbox One, or PS3 to PS4.

Snake Plisken · 16-06-2016 10:33AM

CatInABox wrote: »

Unsurprising really, considering that even the latest graphics cards can't hit 4k/60 fps. The Scorpio won't even have the best GPU in it, so it was never going to get there.

However, even with the fudge, it's still going to be a massive leap in terms of graphics, and it's something that will be more evident than the leap from Xbox 360 to Xbox One, or PS3 to PS4.

That is true but they shouldn't really be selling it as a 4K gaming console, I'd prefer if they sold it as a rock solid 1080P 60FPS console rather then the possibility of just up scaling to 4K, as you said even pc's can't hit 4K 60fps. It will still be the best spec'd console out there but I think we are a couple of years away from console 4K gaming!

quad_red · 16-06-2016 10:53AM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

That is true but they shouldn't really be selling it as a 4K gaming console, I'd prefer if they sold it as a rock solid 1080P 60FPS console rather then the possibility of just up scaling to 4K, as you said even pc's can't hit 4K 60fps. It will still be the best spec'd console out there but I think we are a couple of years away from console 4K gaming!

Given the specs that's probably the best description of it.

But they can't sell Scorpio as a 60fps/1080p console when they've busted their balls trying to argue that the X1 was a 60fps/1080p console.

Savage stated that Xbox One has 32 MB of high speed ESRAM, that is placed right next to the GPU and GPU alone can see the Xbox One’s ESRAM. This helps GPU in giving a “very very high bandwidth output”. In this era of next-gen, applications demand a high amount of bandwidth to render scenes, that is why Savage says that “regular system memory is gonna be a huge win”.

This is how you get to 1080p, this is how you run at 60 frames per second… period, if you’re bottlenecked by graphics.”

Read more: http://wccftech.com/microsoft-xbox-esram-huge-win-explains-reaching-1080p60-fps/#ixzz4BjbhdMBA

Mickeroo · 16-06-2016 11:24AM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

That is true but they shouldn't really be selling it as a 4K gaming console, I'd prefer if they sold it as a rock solid 1080P 60FPS console rather then the possibility of just up scaling to 4K, as you said even pc's can't hit 4K 60fps. It will still be the best spec'd console out there but I think we are a couple of years away from console 4K gaming!

You are right, maybe they're banking on being able to take advantage of technological advances in the next 18 months? Would be a risky game as even if the console runs at 1080p with 60+fps as a standard it's going to get torn apart in the gaming press after the 4k claims.

Personally the main selling point for me is 1080p @ 60+fps rather than the 4k asnd I imagine that that will be the case for a lot of people. I'm not going to be gaming on a screen an bigger than 32inches max so 4k makes no odds to me (HDR is more important by all accounts I've seen unless you get a gargantuan screen).

qrx · 16-06-2016 11:56AM

CatInABox wrote: »

Unsurprising really, considering that even the latest graphics cards can't hit 4k/60 fps. The Scorpio won't even have the best GPU in it, so it was never going to get there.

But as this is a console, there will be developer guidelines on how to get 4K. Namely dynamic scaling where the vertical resolution shrinks on complex\busy parts of the game. Sorry, that helps keep the framerate steady but would drop the resolution below 4K

The other good thing about all this is, with play anywhere, you'll also get better performance out of a similar spec PC. you can basically build your own Xbox and upgrade components to match future Xbox upgrades instead of buying a whole new console. Although I'd imagine it would probably work out cheaper to buy the new console.

qrx · 16-06-2016 12:03PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

You are right, maybe they're banking on being able to take advantage of technological advances in the next 18 months?

That's exactly what they are doing. they looked into releasing a new console this year and with the specs 4K was not possible. I'd imagine they have talked to the industry and 6 TFLOPS is realistic at an affordable price by late 2017. I wouldn't be surprised if they are being a bit cautious with the 6 TFLOPS. What they've said is that developers have told them that they need 6 TFLOPS, doesn't mean there won't be more than 6 TFLOPS. Especially if Sony start bumping up their specs.

CatInABox · 16-06-2016 12:21PM

qrx wrote: »

But as this is a console, there will be developer guidelines on how to get 4K. Namely dynamic scaling where the vertical resolution shrinks on complex\busy parts of the game.

But if you're doing dynamic scaling, then you're not doing 4K.

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